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Tim Mahoney on Monday called for an ethics investigation of himself amid reports that he had an affair and then paid the woman to keep her quiet.

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LEO

Boynton Beach, FL

#67 Oct 16, 2008
Richard S wrote:
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In Mid December 2005 the approval rating for Congress was between 30-40%.
If you look at the current approval rating when it is broken out between Democrats and Republicans, 34% approve of the Democrats handling their job and 27% approve of the Republicans handling their jobs.
http://www.pollingreport.com/cong_dem.htm
Don't worry, most of them will easily get re-elected and that's guaranteed. We don't need a newly elected congress running things. They'll do a worse job. Just shut up and realize that you cannot change things and that this is the price you pay to live in the USA. Things are perfect, but it's better than most other places.
Alz

Arlington Heights, IL

#68 Oct 16, 2008
Richard wrote:
Oh, sweet irony. Let's recap the situation, shall we?
Mark Foley (R) resigns his seat after it's revealed he "sent lurid Internet messages to male teenage pages who had worked on Capitol Hill".
Tim Mahoney (D) wins the seat, "promising to return morals to Washington".
Mahoney, married with one child, has an affair with a staffer and pays her over $100,000 in 'hush money'.
"Foley was cleared of criminal wrongdoing by state and federal authorities."
Cache this story because it will not get any further than the "investigation" proposed by Nancy Pelosi. Let's see if Mahoney gets the grilling and 24/7 coverage that Foley received.
And these Congresscritters wonder why they have an approval rating of around 9%.
BTW, this story was available on a blog a month ago. http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/10/dem...
That's perfect - except for one thing.

It's really hypocrisy, BUT, To Modern Liberals, there is no such thing as hypocrisy because they don't use morals or ethics.

This is why Modern Liberals aren't bothered by the different treatment from the media. Not only are they not bothered by the difference in treatment, they are not really bothered by either one's behavior.

To the Modern Liberal, Foley's crime wasn't that he "sent lurid Internet messages to male teenage pages who had worked on Capitol Hill". No, Foley's crime was that he is a Republican who represents the idea that "Republicans are willing and often do judge bad behavior."

In other words, it had nothing to do with Foley personally and nothing to do with Foley's behavior, but that Foley is associated with people (Republicans) who will judge bad behaviors.

(Don't think that the Modern Liberals are judging Foley's behavior because they are not. It's all about what Foley represents.)

Modern Liberals want everything equal and one of their methods of getting there is to force us to not judge bad behaviors and to tolerate bad behaviors. They teach us that all behaviors are equal. When they can't explain a behavior, then the person must either be a victim of society or there is racism involved. This is how they think.

Watch the video "How Modern Liberals Think" at YouTube to learn more about these people and their mindset/philosophy.(just do a search at YouTube.)

Since: Jun 08

Sterling, IL

#69 Oct 16, 2008
Alz wrote:
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That's perfect - except for one thing.
It's really hypocrisy, BUT, To Modern Liberals, there is no such thing as hypocrisy because they don't use morals or ethics.
This is why Modern Liberals aren't bothered by the different treatment from the media. Not only are they not bothered by the difference in treatment, they are not really bothered by either one's behavior.
To the Modern Liberal, Foley's crime wasn't that he "sent lurid Internet messages to male teenage pages who had worked on Capitol Hill". No, Foley's crime was that he is a Republican who represents the idea that "Republicans are willing and often do judge bad behavior."
In other words, it had nothing to do with Foley personally and nothing to do with Foley's behavior, but that Foley is associated with people (Republicans) who will judge bad behaviors.
(Don't think that the Modern Liberals are judging Foley's behavior because they are not. It's all about what Foley represents.)
Modern Liberals want everything equal and one of their methods of getting there is to force us to not judge bad behaviors and to tolerate bad behaviors. They teach us that all behaviors are equal. When they can't explain a behavior, then the person must either be a victim of society or there is racism involved. This is how they think.
Watch the video "How Modern Liberals Think" at YouTube to learn more about these people and their mindset/philosophy.(just do a search at YouTube.)
Could you please make some more sweeping generalizations to try to make your point. That's a good boy. If you regurgitate enough liberal vs. conservative points over and over again, the person who you are trying to emulate (probably some demagogue on talk radio) may give you a pat on the head if you can manage to call his show.

Before you start to give me some pat answer about how I am a liberal, be forewarned that I am not a liberal. I am just someone who is sick of seeing people choose a side as if there are only two ways to look at any issue and then dismiss anything that the other side would have to say. This is the lazy man's way of making decisions. We have many problems and the solutions to these problems will never be resolved in a box labeled "liberal" or "conservative". The only people who benefit from this arguments are tv and radio personalities and policticians. The politicians love the old liberal ve. conservative trick because they can choose a side and then say a few key words about abortion, guns, the flag, or something other symbol, and then they can go about their business of screwing over the tax payers and enriching themselves in the process. This works for both sides. The liberals say that they are for "change" and then they will go on listening to the same old corporations and lobbyists. The conservatives say they want "small government", get elected and then continue to spend outrageous amounts of money in expanding the government. The best part is they do it right in front of your noses and nobody ever bothers to look beyond the few key words that they tell you. You are too wrapped up in the little conservative vs. liberal soap opera in which you are living. Wake up and think for yourselves. Both sides are stealing from you. The "family values" people don't care one whit about YOUR family (or probably even their own families). The "it takes a village" people don't really care about making the village strong enough to support anyone except themselves. OPEN YOUR EYES and stop listening to what everyone tells you is going on and figure out yourself what is going on.

Since: Jun 08

Sterling, IL

#70 Oct 16, 2008
I would love to see someone, ANYONE, make a point without using the words "liberal" or "conservative". They could make the exact same points, but try to do them without the baggage of those words. Usually the stupidity of these arguments is more apparent without the use of buzzwords that give them credibility in the eyes of other people who also have the same bad habit. People just use these words to gain instant approval of their whack ideas. Use logic instead of name calling. If your idea has any merit, it will still stand on its own. If you cannot express an idea without the use of these charged labels, the idea probably does not hold together logically in the first place.

Since: Jun 08

Sterling, IL

#71 Oct 16, 2008
The liberal vs. conservative tactic was pioneered and perfected by Rush Limbaugh. This man came up through the ranks by praising family values. Rush was such a family man that he had many of them. He was also a full-blown junkie (although he blasted drug addicts on his show and called for stricter prison sentences for drug crimes). This is a perfect example of how people say one thing and do another.

I do not mean to only attack the conservatives. There is plenty of hypocrisy on the liberal side as well. My point is that our country is not a football game. Making good decisions is not like choosing a side in a football game and cheering your team to victory. It is not that simple. Think for yourself. Anyone who thinks that one side is always right and the other side is always wrong is deluding themselves and being a pawn for the same people who are trying to exploit them. These politicians look at all the simple minded people who scream about liberals or conservatives and they lick their lips and know that they can justify any course of action as either liberal or conservative and they know that people will automatically approve. They know that if they slip something into the mix that will benefit them, nobody will care because all of the good conservatives (or liberals) will love (or hate) it because it is a conservative (or liberal) plan. Have the conservatives done ever done anything to cut the size of the government? Have the liberals ever done anything to ensure that everyone gets decent healthcare? NO - and they never really intend to do it, but you can rest aszsured that they will come out of public office richer than they entered it.
methyl

Boynton Beach, FL

#72 Oct 17, 2008
Conspiracy Man wrote:
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Could you please make some more sweeping generalizations to try to make your point. That's a good boy. If you regurgitate enough liberal vs. conservative points over and over again, the person who you are trying to emulate (probably some demagogue on talk radio) may give you a pat on the head if you can manage to call his show.
Before you start to give me some pat answer about how I am a liberal, be forewarned that I am not a liberal. I am just someone who is sick of seeing people choose a side as if there are only two ways to look at any issue and then dismiss anything that the other side would have to say. This is the lazy man's way of making decisions. We have many problems and the solutions to these problems will never be resolved in a box labeled "liberal" or "conservative". The only people who benefit from this arguments are tv and radio personalities and policticians. The politicians love the old liberal ve. conservative trick because they can choose a side and then say a few key words about abortion, guns, the flag, or something other symbol, and then they can go about their business of screwing over the tax payers and enriching themselves in the process. This works for both sides. The liberals say that they are for "change" and then they will go on listening to the same old corporations and lobbyists. The conservatives say they want "small government", get elected and then continue to spend outrageous amounts of money in expanding the government. The best part is they do it right in front of your noses and nobody ever bothers to look beyond the few key words that they tell you. You are too wrapped up in the little conservative vs. liberal soap opera in which you are living. Wake up and think for yourselves. Both sides are stealing from you. The "family values" people don't care one whit about YOUR family (or probably even their own families). The "it takes a village" people don't really care about making the village strong enough to support anyone except themselves. OPEN YOUR EYES and stop listening to what everyone tells you is going on and figure out yourself what is going on.
what in the world are you talking about?

clearly, you lack knowledge. keep quiet unless asked a direct question.
Alz

Arlington Heights, IL

#74 Oct 17, 2008
Conspiracy Man wrote:
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Could you please make some more sweeping generalizations to try to make your point. That's a good boy. If you regurgitate enough liberal vs. conservative points over and over again, the person who you are trying to emulate (probably some demagogue on talk radio) may give you a pat on the head if you can manage to call his show.
Before you start to give me some pat answer about how I am a liberal, be forewarned that I am not a liberal. I am just someone who is sick of seeing people choose a side as if there are only two ways to look at any issue and then dismiss anything that the other side would have to say. This is the lazy man's way of making decisions. We have many problems and the solutions to these problems will never be resolved in a box labeled "liberal" or "conservative". The only people who benefit from this arguments are tv and radio personalities and policticians. The politicians love the old liberal ve. conservative trick because they can choose a side and then say a few key words about abortion, guns, the flag, or something other symbol, and then they can go about their business of screwing over the tax payers and enriching themselves in the process. This works for both sides. The liberals say that they are for "change" and then they will go on listening to the same old corporations and lobbyists. The conservatives say they want "small government", get elected and then continue to spend outrageous amounts of money in expanding the government. The best part is they do it right in front of your noses and nobody ever bothers to look beyond the few key words that they tell you. You are too wrapped up in the little conservative vs. liberal soap opera in which you are living. Wake up and think for yourselves. Both sides are stealing from you. The "family values" people don't care one whit about YOUR family (or probably even their own families). The "it takes a village" people don't really care about making the village strong enough to support anyone except themselves. OPEN YOUR EYES and stop listening to what everyone tells you is going on and figure out yourself what is going on.
Sorry, it's correct to do what I do. It's correct because it has become clear that today's Modern Liberals have a different belief system than a) most people and b) the "liberals" who used to share the American values from Judeo-Christain ethics have been pushed out of the Democratic Party.

So it makes it easy to decide who to vote for. It's easy because, even if a Democrat's views on a particular subject match mine, one knows that it's only by coincidence. If this person supports Modern Liberal ideas, one knows that almost very decision they make will be wrong because the value system is opposite of mine. Even a stopped clock will be right more often.

For example, Obama is a Modern liberal and he is against the American Dream. What he is for is making everyone "equal". So even if he supports some type of tax cust that I may agree with, I know it's not based on helping people reach the American Dream.

We can see this in action with how Modern Liberals have treated the inner cities. DECADES have gone by and things keep getting worse. In the Conservative value system (how the country was founded), we would work to make people more wealthy. In Obama's Modern Liberal system, they want everything "equal" and they don't care about everyone being poor or the amount of crime that it creates.

It's not hard to understand.

Since: Jun 08

Sterling, IL

#76 Oct 17, 2008
methyl wrote:
<quoted text>what in the world are you talking about?
clearly, you lack knowledge. keep quiet unless asked a direct question.
Learn to speak Chinese. The fact that most of our citizens can no longer practice critical thinking is the final death blow to our country. Learn to think for yourself.

Since: Jun 08

Sterling, IL

#77 Oct 17, 2008
Alz wrote:
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Sorry, it's correct to do what I do. It's correct because it has become clear that today's Modern Liberals have a different belief system than a) most people and b) the "liberals" who used to share the American values from Judeo-Christain ethics have been pushed out of the Democratic Party.
So it makes it easy to decide who to vote for. It's easy because, even if a Democrat's views on a particular subject match mine, one knows that it's only by coincidence. If this person supports Modern Liberal ideas, one knows that almost very decision they make will be wrong because the value system is opposite of mine. Even a stopped clock will be right more often.
For example, Obama is a Modern liberal and he is against the American Dream. What he is for is making everyone "equal". So even if he supports some type of tax cust that I may agree with, I know it's not based on helping people reach the American Dream.
We can see this in action with how Modern Liberals have treated the inner cities. DECADES have gone by and things keep getting worse. In the Conservative value system (how the country was founded), we would work to make people more wealthy. In Obama's Modern Liberal system, they want everything "equal" and they don't care about everyone being poor or the amount of crime that it creates.
It's not hard to understand.
You speak in code. The way you use language is analogous to the way cults program their members. Look at some of the studies and you will see that they speak in loaded buzzwords and coded phrases to divorce the logical minds of the members from being able to interpret reality. I am serious - check it out and you will see.

Although you are obviously a "conservative", I am not picking on you. The "liberals" do the same thing. All of the loaded phrases and buzzwords lose their common meaning and this practice is the shortest route to short-circuiting logical thought. The cult members begin speaking in shorthand, and that will ultimately affect the ways that their brains process information. To anyone outside of their cult, they look insane, but within the cult, they are all speaking the same language and making perfect sense.
Disgusted

Peotone, IL

#78 Oct 17, 2008
Alz wrote:
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Sorry, it's correct to do what I do. It's correct because it has become clear that today's Modern Liberals have a different belief system than a) most people and b) the "liberals" who used to share the American values from Judeo-Christain ethics have been pushed out of the Democratic Party.
So it makes it easy to decide who to vote for. It's easy because, even if a Democrat's views on a particular subject match mine, one knows that it's only by coincidence. If this person supports Modern Liberal ideas, one knows that almost very decision they make will be wrong because the value system is opposite of mine. Even a stopped clock will be right more often.
For example, Obama is a Modern liberal and he is against the American Dream. What he is for is making everyone "equal". So even if he supports some type of tax cust that I may agree with, I know it's not based on helping people reach the American Dream.
We can see this in action with how Modern Liberals have treated the inner cities. DECADES have gone by and things keep getting worse. In the Conservative value system (how the country was founded), we would work to make people more wealthy. In Obama's Modern Liberal system, they want everything "equal" and they don't care about everyone being poor or the amount of crime that it creates.
It's not hard to understand.
It's clear only to you. Besides, even if it was true, which it isn't , I would rather be a "Modern Liberal" than a "Neo-Conservative", which, judjing by the rhetoric, means that you march lockstep with the rest of the neo-cons or you deserve to be drummed out of society. It means that you do not want the media to print opposing, views, they are not to print anything bad about conservatives, they are never , never to oppose anything a Reoublican politician does, conservatives are always right- I could go on, but you would get the idea if you read something about the political history of the USSR.
Let Me Make This Clear

Frankfort, IL

#79 Oct 17, 2008
Calling them "affairs" conjures up the thought of romantic trysts, conversations, stealing away together just to be with each other for a moment.

Men who don't want to admit that they couldn't possibly get a woman's attention, sexual or otherwise, without handing out cash, for some reason need to call the purchase of sex, an "affair."

Don't make me laugh. Don't flatter yourselves. You're paying for it, and if you went broke tomorrow these women wouldn't have a thing to do with you. That's not an "affair," that's a transaction.

Neither political party has a monopoly on this stupidity, so enough with the namecalling.
Alz

Arlington Heights, IL

#80 Oct 17, 2008
Disgusted wrote:
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It's clear only to you. Besides, even if it was true, which it isn't , I would rather be a "Modern Liberal" than a "Neo-Conservative", which, judjing by the rhetoric, means that you march lockstep with the rest of the neo-cons or you deserve to be drummed out of society. It means that you do not want the media to print opposing, views, they are not to print anything bad about conservatives, they are never , never to oppose anything a Reoublican politician does, conservatives are always right- I could go on, but you would get the idea if you read something about the political history of the USSR.
I'm not responsible for your understanding.

Why would you rather be a Modern Liberal? Modern Liberalism doesn't stand for anything! No morals, no ethics, no reason. No American Dream.

If you cared about the American Dream, you would be Conservative. If you care about everyone being “equally poor”, then you’ll probably be stuck as a modern Liberal/Democrat.

Since: Jun 08

Sterling, IL

#81 Oct 17, 2008
Alz wrote:
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I'm not responsible for your understanding.
Why would you rather be a Modern Liberal? Modern Liberalism doesn't stand for anything! No morals, no ethics, no reason. No American Dream.
If you cared about the American Dream, you would be Conservative. If you care about everyone being “equally poor”, then you’ll probably be stuck as a modern Liberal/Democrat.
I think that when Obama joined the Modern Liberal Society, they made him officially renounce the American Dream. I think he can still stand for something, but he is not allowed to stand for anything that would move him into the Patriot category. The Patriots meet every week at noon in the back room at Denny's.

Since: Sep 07

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#82 Oct 18, 2008
Let Me Make This Clear wrote:
Calling them "affairs" conjures up the thought of romantic trysts, conversations, stealing away together just to be with each other for a moment.
Men who don't want to admit that they couldn't possibly get a woman's attention, sexual or otherwise, without handing out cash, for some reason need to call the purchase of sex, an "affair."
Don't make me laugh. Don't flatter yourselves. You're paying for it, and if you went broke tomorrow these women wouldn't have a thing to do with you. That's not an "affair," that's a transaction.
Neither political party has a monopoly on this stupidity, so enough with the namecalling.
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In a one-on-one interview Friday afternoon at PGA National Resort and Spa, Mahoney said he wasn’t thinking when he started a relationship with a woman who would later be hired to his congressional staff and eventually threaten a sexual harassment lawsuit after she was fired.
Disgusted

Peotone, IL

#83 Oct 18, 2008
Alz wrote:
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I'm not responsible for your understanding.
Why would you rather be a Modern Liberal? Modern Liberalism doesn't stand for anything! No morals, no ethics, no reason. No American Dream.
If you cared about the American Dream, you would be Conservative. If you care about everyone being “equally poor”, then you’ll probably be stuck as a modern Liberal/Democrat.
You know nothing about me and make a false assumption about "equally poor".. But that's the kind of nonsense you always spout. True Americans? In my view, true Americans accept the right of others to be different and offer diverse views. Your "real Americans" are not st all patriotic if they are disinclined to believe in different views and people. Your "patriotic" view seems to revolve around money. If that's all you think America is, then your morals and education are really lacking.

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