Letters to the Editor - Editorials

Letters to the Editor - Editorials

There are 136 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Feb 19, 2009, titled Letters to the Editor - Editorials. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

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Since: Nov 07

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#124 Mar 2, 2009
Lord HawHaw wrote:
-Only this week Eric, the Sierra Club in Hawai'i have called for inspections to be carried out of the Pohakuloa site, some 2,000 radioactive spotting rounds are scattered around the site, these can stay radioactive for more than 4 million years. Hawaiian culture is steeped in the tradition of malama 'aina, it differs from American culture in that stewardship of the land is the priority not ownership. Kwame Nerumah said onetime: "The history of a Nation is unfortunately too easily written as the history of it's dominant class." Over in the U.S. Chief Joseph [1782-1794] remarked befittingly: "The Earth is the Mother of all people and all people should have equal rights upon it."
I too agree with you that this is a travesty. We are nothing more than stewards of the land, of this Earth. I believe in private property but even then, we should be doing our best to maintain these lands.

And while I agree with you on the U.S. Chief Jospeh quote, I don't believe that means we should revert to being communal or having a socialist-style system where private land ownership should be the way. To me, U.S. Chief Joseph was implying that all of us, regardless of the color of our skin, our ethnicity, religious beliefs or where we were born should have equal rights, that we are all in this together.

And in the State of Hawai'i, we are all equal. No one is better nor worse than the next person. Our current style of government ensures tha all people are equal. If it doesn't seem that way it is because too many people are indifferent to how our government works and how too many bureaucrats are misusing their powers in public office. If the citizenry were to hold their public servants accountable for their words, deeds and (mis)actions more often, we wouldn't have the corruption and cronysim which exists today.

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#126 Mar 2, 2009
Reality Check wrote:
The haole culture will never understand. They come from the standpoint that their culture and its associated values are THE way, THE baseline, THE standard, by which ALL other things are judged. It is as much an immutable, fundamental truth to them as the law of gravity, or the sun rising and setting each day. It's therefore impossible for them to even comprehend that there are other realities besides THE ONE REALITY, which not coincidentally, is theirs. I've been inclined to get angry, frustrated, when I encounter people like that. But lately, I'm beginning to realize that they have Western eyes, and so that is all they can see. Their TV has only one channel, they can only comprehend that which they see through their own Western eyes. It's useless to try to convince them otherwise. They may agree only for the sake of getting along, pacifying, avoiding conflict, displaying empathy. But in truth, they only see one way - their way.
And to what other "reality" are you referring to? What can be better than having the right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness (Or in the case of the Hawaiian Kingdom Constitution, the right of acquiring, possessing, and protecting property?)? What can be better than being treated as an equal? No more and no less than the individual next to you?

Based on the Hawaiian Constitution, it wasn't a sin to want to acquire and possess land? So how is this a "haole" mentality? It seems even Hawaiian royalty had shared the view of acquiring and possesing land as a right.

This isn't about our "tv" having only "one channel" or only seeing things "one way". It's about setting things straight and telling the Truth. In life, even in the overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy, there is no "black and white".

The sovereignty supporters only want to see and talk "black and white" in order to support their views. There are also others, such as Thurston Twigg-Smith, who also only want to see things as "black and white". I don't hold my views because I believe the United States can do no wrong. The United States has it's fair share of crimes which it has committed against peoples and groups, I have never pretended to believe otherwise. But the situation, in regards to the overthrow of the Hawaiian kingdom, is not a simple, easy story. It is not a simple case of "black and white".

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#127 Mar 2, 2009
Lord HawHaw wrote:
Eric have you heard of the GMO preemption Bill HB1226 going before the U.S. legislature this year? It would allow biotech and GMO activities to occur without any public, state, or county regulation on what crops are grown in Hawaiian communities.
I haven't heard of this Bill but I am glad you had brought it up, because it allows the federal government to usurp state's rights in how we conduct our affairs. An action the Founding Fathers were vehemently against.

But again, this is the fault of the people of Hawai'i, and the rest of the United States, who don't pay attention to how government is supposed to operate for the American people, and how government is actually operating AGAINST the interests of the People. People have become indifferent to how the bureaucrats act and speak, in our name. Too many Americans have acquired the belief that politicians will always do what they want at the expense of the People, when in reality (If one read our Constitution), that it is the people who have the power, not government.

More people being on food stamps is also, again, people being indifferent in how government is supposed to represent our interests.
Now Now

Mililani, HI

#128 Mar 2, 2009
Eric Seabury wrote:
<quoted text>And to what other "reality" are you referring to? What can be better than having the right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness (Or in the case of the Hawaiian Kingdom Constitution, the right of acquiring, possessing, and protecting property?)? What can be better than being treated as an equal? No more and no less than the individual next to you?
Rights are relative, not absolute. Individuals or groups clearly can and often do have certain rights which may supersede certain rights of other individuals or groups.

Realistically, it's as much about striking an equitable and just balance between conflicting or competing rights, as it is about trying to make sure that every individual or group has and is able to exercise exactly identical rights. "Equality" sounds laudable as a general ideal, but is specious as the basis for your argument -- individuals' rights have always, and will always, differ in their nature, and conflict in their exercise. Actual "equality" in the sense of individuals being able to exercise identical rights to the identical degree has not, and never will be, a reasonable or realistic goal of society.

“Hawai'i loa kulike 'oukou.”

Since: Feb 09

London, Na mokupuni Beretannia

#129 Mar 3, 2009
-Eric, mahalo for your comments and the spirit in which they are expressed. It is all about historical research and interpretation from a wide variety of sources, first hand accounts are most often the credible sources. I should like to respond to your points this forthcoming weekend. There was a most interesting article in a local newspaper {Daily Express] here in the British Isles Saturday last, pertaining to how film footage from the National Archives in Baltimore, MD, quote "discovered lying forgotten" recently of how the 116th U.S. infantry division lost some 800 men in a friendly fire incident on April 27th 1944. They were using live ammo on the orders of Eisenhower, in preparation for the D-day landings. Right up to today the Pentagon has suppressed that information, official accounts say that the exercise encountered German e-boats from Cherbourg in France, this has been quoted in many historical works to date and this version is untrue. This is one advantage of looking at many sources for info.

“Hawai'i loa kulike 'oukou.”

Since: Feb 09

London, Na mokupuni Beretannia

#130 Mar 3, 2009
-It is often seen in comments posted here, words to the effect "The Hawaiian Kingdom is dead, get over it," yet according to the Apology Law [USPL 103-150] we read that the seizure of Hawai'i was illegal, and that Native Hawaiians never gave up their claims [title] to the lands of Hawai'i. From a legal standpoint this means that anything else based on that illegal act is likewise illegal. OHA the construct of the "state" of Hawai'i are actually both illegal entities by law because the only lawful claimant to the lands and jurisdiction of Hawai'i is the Hawaiian Kingdom as they hold proper title to the lands of the Hawaiian Islands.

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#131 Mar 3, 2009
Yes, it could be looked on that way that if the overthrow was wrong and the U.S. taking possession of it was wrong, that any actions thereafter could also be looked on as illegal.

And while many native Hawaiians had never given up their claims to the lands, there were still many others who had favored annexation with the United States. And today, there are many more native Hawaiians who are proud to be a part of the United States. So how can any organization favor the wishes of the pro-sovereignty groups and ignore other Hawaiians who are proud to be American and do not want Hawai'i secede from the United States? Plus, the Kingdom of Hawai'i did not only comprise of native Hawaiians. Since the days of Kamehameha I, there have beeen non-native Hawaiian citizens in Hawai'i, who were born and raised in Hawai'i. What of their wishes? Should they be simply ignored just because they do not Hawaiian ethnicity?

This is a complex issue, and in my opinion, I believe the only way this could be resolved is to let the legal residents of Hawai'i vote on whether they want to remain a part of the United States or secede and become independent.

Regardless of the outcome, it should be honored and any other discussion on this topic should be settled, once and for all.

“What Goes Around, Comes Around”

Since: Mar 07

Kansas City, MO.

#132 Mar 3, 2009
Roberto wrote:
Haw Haw is posting from Ireland!
Makes his statements...null and void.

“Hawai'i loa kulike 'oukou.”

Since: Feb 09

London, Na mokupuni Beretannia

#133 Mar 3, 2009
Imprtnrd wrote:
<quoted text>Makes his statements...null and void.
-You yourself are posting from Kansas over in the U.S.? Gee,'aint that where the Wizard of OZ was set? Hope your not hiding behind a screen.{Haw-Haw].

“Hawai'i loa kulike 'oukou.”

Since: Feb 09

London, Na mokupuni Beretannia

#134 Mar 3, 2009
Imprtnrd wrote:
<quoted text>Makes his statements...null and void.
-OKAY, Kansas City, MD, still wherever there is power and privilege ..... people will follow the yellow brick road.
alice

Honolulu, HI

#135 Mar 3, 2009
Eric always defats Haw Haw in his reasoning and facts.

“Hawai'i loa kulike 'oukou.”

Since: Feb 09

London, Na mokupuni Beretannia

#136 Mar 3, 2009
alice wrote:
Eric always defats Haw Haw in his reasoning and facts.
-You mean "defeats" Alice not "defats," defats are a group of joggers who twice a week run down to Hawaii Kai from Kahala with obesity issues.[Haw-Haw].

“What Goes Around, Comes Around”

Since: Mar 07

Kansas City, MO.

#137 Mar 4, 2009
Lord HawHaw wrote:
<quoted text> -OKAY, Kansas City, MD, still wherever there is power and privilege ..... people will follow the yellow brick road.
You are pretty ignorant, huh? Its MO (Missouri) not MD ROTFL. No yellow brick road here. Its the "Show Me State"....I just showed you! ROTFL FYI.....It's still in the USA not Ireland. LOL

“Hawai'i loa kulike 'oukou.”

Since: Feb 09

London, Na mokupuni Beretannia

#138 Mar 4, 2009
Imprtnrd wrote:
<quoted text>You are pretty ignorant, huh? Its MO (Missouri) not MD ROTFL. No yellow brick road here. Its the "Show Me State"....I just showed you! ROTFL FYI.....It's still in the USA not Ireland. LOL
-That is right U.S. of A not Hawai'i, the Hawaiian Nation is NOT part of the U.S.A. just because your government apologized twice for it's involvement in that theft. This is a public forum people are entitled to comment from Ulan Bator in Mongolia to Auckland in New Zealand, this does not make their comments null and void. Why do you call people ignorant for posting?

“What Goes Around, Comes Around”

Since: Mar 07

Kansas City, MO.

#139 Mar 4, 2009
Lord HawHaw wrote:
<quoted text>-That is right U.S. of A not Hawai'i, the Hawaiian Nation is NOT part of the U.S.A. just because your government apologized twice for it's involvement in that theft. This is a public forum people are entitled to comment from Ulan Bator in Mongolia to Auckland in New Zealand, this does not make their comments null and void. Why do you call people ignorant for posting?
You need to get facts first then post. Re read!

“Hawai'i loa kulike 'oukou.”

Since: Feb 09

London, Na mokupuni Beretannia

#140 Mar 5, 2009
Imprtnrd wrote:
<quoted text>You need to get facts first then post. Re read!
-Sir, please explain which or what facts? Terse lines are not comments, maybe it is your place of domicile to which you refer, it is a public forum so feel free to voice your opinion, if you have views on Hawai'i you can express them. Why do you call people who comment on the forum ignorant? We may not always agree with other people's views but through discussion and debate people learn that is what life is all about, a learning process.

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