A dizzying series of legal twists and...

A dizzying series of legal twists and turns: Foreign-born spouses...

There are 22 comments on the Santa Cruz Sentinel story from Oct 20, 2012, titled A dizzying series of legal twists and turns: Foreign-born spouses.... In it, Santa Cruz Sentinel reports that:

Given the white-hot politics of immigration, it's perhaps not surprising that President Obama instantly drew fire with a proposal in January to help undocumented spouses of American citizens obtain legal status - without being ousted from the U.S. for years as punishment.

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Magadala

Cinebar, WA

#1 Oct 20, 2012
"Mayorkas said the administration was mindful, too, that families can face "precarious" conditions when they travel abroad.

In 2011, U.S. citizen Jake Reyes-Neal, 21, was killed by thieves in an attack in Juarez, Mexico, where the Colorado man had moved with his undocumented wife and their baby to pursue a waiver at the U.S. consulate there."

WELL YOU CAN CRY ME A RIVER!!!! The part that no one mentions is the fact that these people knew what to expect going in. Now that they are faced with the consequences of their actions, they are whining that the rules apply to them!

Please hurry and vote!!!!!
Agreed

De Soto, KS

#2 Oct 20, 2012
Exactly, well stated!
ronnie

Hurricane, UT

#3 Oct 20, 2012
If you travel abroad and Marry out of your Country, but have not broken any laws. YOU SHOULD be able to bring your spouse to your homeland. But if any crimes were committed no way. Remember Mexican Nationals prefer anonymity, staying single, flying under the radar in relationships so they can rack up welfare and child tax credit's for being here. Rarely Marry until they are forced to leave the U.S.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#4 Oct 21, 2012
Why is it people seem to think they are entitled to amnesty for the crimes they have committed just because they got married or had children? If I steal a car then get married to I get to receive no punishment and keep the car.
This is the story about a woman who came here illegally. Lived here illegally and committed numerous crimes in order to remain here illegally. She then got married and here and started a family all with the full knowledge that she could be deported at any time. She had the option of straightening out her immigration status before getting married and starting a family but she chose not to. In fact if they both would have gone to Mexico and married there then applied for permission for her to come here she would not had this problem even though she did at one time enter the U.S. illegally. The solution for people who are in this situation is simple. Do not enter the U.S. illegally and if you do remember you can be deported.
I have a friend who is a naturalized citizen and he married a woman from his home country. It took almost a year for her after they were married to get a green card and enter the U.S. legally. Why should somebody who came here illegally expect to jump in line ahead of somebody who is following the legal process? I agree with streamlining the legal immigration process but sadly those who support amnesty for illegal aliens have blocked every attempt to make legal immigration easier and faster by demanding that amnesty for millions of criminals be part of any immigration reform.

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#5 Oct 21, 2012
It appears that common sense and the idea that laws are enforced for the good of the majority no longer apply if one happens to be here illegally. Illegals have this misconception that they are above our laws and that we are to forgive them for their litany of broken laws. I hate to break it to them, but they are sadly mistaken, and their sob stories no longer work.
What a bunch of dorks

Ames, IA

#6 Oct 21, 2012
Jeez, you guys will whine about anything. Even stuff you are completely misinformed on.
Boo frickin' Hoo.
I'm sure you all hate Mexicans until they under bid your gardener or painter. Then it's Edwardo this and Jose' that.
Hypocrites
Douchebags
Losers.
Rico the Terrible

Los Angeles, CA

#7 Oct 21, 2012
I see no problem with a a non-citizen spouse getting citizenship if the other spouse has the financial means to do so and they stay together for a certain amount of time.
Rico the Terrible

Los Angeles, CA

#8 Oct 21, 2012
teddyr4me wrote:
It appears that common sense and the idea that laws are enforced for the good of the majority no longer apply if one happens to be here illegally. Illegals have this misconception that they are above our laws and that we are to forgive them for their litany of broken laws. I hate to break it to them, but they are sadly mistaken, and their sob stories no longer work.
Illegals are breaking a law, good way to state the obvious. That law is a civil infraction that carries a fine of $50 to $250 [first time offense], the legal equivalent of jaw walking or public littering.

8 U.S.C.§ 1325 : US Code - Section 1325: Improper entry by alien

So why are you frothing at the mouth about it like a rabid hyena?

You justify the illegality of this act by the fact that the law interprets it as illegal, yet you seem to ignore the fact that the penalty is also extremely mild and that the "law" you rely on to pontificate also regards this crime as insignificant. Insignificant enough for the fine to be less than a speeding ticket in some places, so miniscule that people have to be caught doing it several times for it to be prosecuted beyond a littering ticket.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#9 Oct 21, 2012
Rico the Terrible wrote:
I see no problem with a a non-citizen spouse getting citizenship if the other spouse has the financial means to do so and they stay together for a certain amount of time.
That is not what the story is about. It is about illegal aliens wanting automatic citizenship when they marry a citizen.
“It is easier to beg forgiveness than to ask for permission.”

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#10 Oct 21, 2012
Rico the Terrible wrote:
<quoted text>
Illegals are breaking a law, good way to state the obvious. That law is a civil infraction that carries a fine of $50 to $250 [first time offense], the legal equivalent of jaw walking or public littering.
8 U.S.C.§ 1325 : US Code - Section 1325: Improper entry by alien
So why are you frothing at the mouth about it like a rabid hyena?
You justify the illegality of this act by the fact that the law interprets it as illegal, yet you seem to ignore the fact that the penalty is also extremely mild and that the "law" you rely on to pontificate also regards this crime as insignificant. Insignificant enough for the fine to be less than a speeding ticket in some places, so miniscule that people have to be caught doing it several times for it to be prosecuted beyond a littering ticket.
I do not ignore the fact that the consequnces for their illegal actions have no freaking teeth. I have stated that fact countless times. Do politicians care what we think or ever listen to us? The problem is these infractions are NOT insignificant.

Since: Apr 10

Houston, TX

#11 Oct 22, 2012
Rico the Terrible wrote:
I see no problem with a a non-citizen spouse getting citizenship if the other spouse has the financial means to do so and they stay together for a certain amount of time.


There is already a policy in place that must be followed. If you just allow people to have citizenship just because they were married leads to mass fraud.

Since: Apr 10

Houston, TX

#12 Oct 22, 2012
Rico the Terrible wrote:
<quoted text>
Illegals are breaking a law, good way to state the obvious. That law is a civil infraction that carries a fine of $50 to $250 [first time offense], the legal equivalent of jaw walking or public littering.
8 U.S.C.§ 1325 : US Code - Section 1325: Improper entry by alien
So why are you frothing at the mouth about it like a rabid hyena?
You justify the illegality of this act by the fact that the law interprets it as illegal, yet you seem to ignore the fact that the penalty is also extremely mild and that the "law" you rely on to pontificate also regards this crime as insignificant. Insignificant enough for the fine to be less than a speeding ticket in some places, so miniscule that people have to be caught doing it several times for it to be prosecuted beyond a littering ticket.
Being in the country illegally is a deportable offense. Deportation is not a punishment, it just removes someone who does not have a right to be here and returns them to the country of their birth.
too funny

Kansas City, MO

#13 Oct 22, 2012
What a bunch of dorks wrote:
Jeez, you guys will whine about anything. Even stuff you are completely misinformed on.
Boo frickin' Hoo.
I'm sure you all hate Mexicans until they under bid your gardener or painter. Then it's Edwardo this and Jose' that.
Hypocrites
Douchebags
Losers.
Is that the best you can do by name calling? Argue the facts. Illegal aliens from nations all over the planet are here illegally breaking the laws of the United States of America. Fact.

They break a number of laws by first crossing illegally then by staying and working. You know it and they know it and so does the gooberment. We either are a nation of laws that apply to all or we are not.
What a bunch of dorks

Ames, IA

#14 Oct 23, 2012
too funny wrote:
<quoted text>
Is that the best you can do by name calling? Argue the facts. Illegal aliens from nations all over the planet are here illegally breaking the laws of the United States of America. Fact.
They break a number of laws by first crossing illegally then by staying and working. You know it and they know it and so does the gooberment. We either are a nation of laws that apply to all or we are not.
There is only one reason they come here to work illegally. Just one reason.
That reason is they will get a job. Even with bogus ID, no English, bullshit story, and a SS card stolen from a dead guy.
That is why they come here, because they will get work. And usually they get work from someone who is bitching loudly about them being here, hypocrite
Or get a job under the table from a douchebag.
That is what makes you people bitching about this loosers.
.
Wait A Minute

Saint Louis, MO

#15 Oct 23, 2012
What a bunch of dorks wrote:
<quoted text>
There is only one reason they come here to work illegally. Just one reason.
That reason is they will get a job. Even with bogus ID, no English, bullshit story, and a SS card stolen from a dead guy.
That is why they come here, because they will get work. And usually they get work from someone who is bitching loudly about them being here, hypocrite
Or get a job under the table from a douchebag.
That is what makes you people bitching about this loosers.
.
Stepping in here to address your post. Please find the Kansas article about total identity theft. It could happen to you, as well as anyone with a SS number.
What a bunch of dorks

Ames, IA

#16 Oct 23, 2012
Wait A Minute wrote:
<quoted text>Stepping in here to address your post. Please find the Kansas article about total identity theft. It could happen to you, as well as anyone with a SS number.
It's already happened to me. Got it delt with, no issues.
The average illegal mexican is incapable of stealing. Someone's ID.
Just relax people. We have some much Homegrown American crime, and they don't want Mexicans taking their jobs either.
Want illegals gone?
Quit giving them jobs. That is it. Whole problem solved.
Next issue please.
ronnie

Hurricane, UT

#17 Oct 23, 2012
It's not that employers give them job's, they give them job's at the expense of the Legal Americans out of work. They also do not stop criminalizing at simple job take over. They impregnate women in order to bleed dry the Social Services intended to help Americans. We could go on and on and on, about the crimes that seem to follow illegals around. They're mostly driving without insurance or licenses. They could care less about assimilation, they do not want to be American, thus our schools suffer trying to educate them to the peril of our legal students. So what a bunch of dorks, there are thousands of reasons they need to constrain this burden to our Country. Suppressing our wages, losing our quality of life so we can care for the Worlds poor? Don't be a dork.!!!!!!

Ralff

“United We Stand”

Since: Dec 11

Divided We Fall

#18 Oct 23, 2012
ronnie wrote:
If you travel abroad and Marry out of your Country, but have not broken any laws. YOU SHOULD be able to bring your spouse to your homeland. But if any crimes were committed no way. Remember Mexican Nationals prefer anonymity, staying single, flying under the radar in relationships so they can rack up welfare and child tax credit's for being here. Rarely Marry until they are forced to leave the U.S.
I traveled abroad and decided to marry someone living in the country I visited. We checked the laws, followed them, no problem. Why do these people expect to act first and fix it later? It doesn't work that way.

Ralff

“United We Stand”

Since: Dec 11

Divided We Fall

#19 Oct 23, 2012
What a bunch of dorks wrote:
<quoted text>
It's already happened to me. Got it delt with, no issues.
The average illegal mexican is incapable of stealing. Someone's ID.
Just relax people. We have some much Homegrown American crime, and they don't want Mexicans taking their jobs either.
Want illegals gone?
Quit giving them jobs. That is it. Whole problem solved.
Next issue please.
"Next issue please."
No one is making you stay here, move on to it.
Armando Jesus Christos

Monroe, VA

#20 Oct 23, 2012
Please take your European self and your illegal wife back to where you came from. You both illegal. Leave this country to the sons of Azteca and our Native American breathren.

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