House Health Bill Clocks In At 1,990 Pages, $2.4M Per Word.

It runs more pages than War and Peace, has nearly five times as many words as the Torah, and its tables of contents alone run far longer than this story. The House health care bill unveiled Thursday clocks in at 1,990 pages and about 400,000 words. With an estimated 10-year cost of $894 billion, that comes out to about $2.24 million per word. And for some members, that may not be enough.

[Shady Lady]

1.990 pages, and the louts won't even read it before they vote on it. Enough is known from people who have read parts of it, and it will pay for abortions, and while they swear to Allah it doesn't cover illegal aliens, it says right in there they cannot make you prove your citizenship, so you know they will be covered too. I am not shocked, since the Democrats didn't make their President proe his citizenship, why should the illegals.

[Obama Drama]

Shady Lady wrote:

1.990 pages, and the louts won't even read it before they vote on it. Enough is known from people who have read parts of it, and it will pay for abortions, and while they swear to Allah it doesn't cover illegal aliens, it says right in there they cannot make you prove your citizenship, so you know they will be covered too. I am not shocked, since the Democrats didn't make their President proe his citizenship, why should the illegals.

All you people care about is yourself. Illegals need healthcare too. Everybody needs healthcare. Just because they are called "illegals" does not mean they're not human.

[TJ Max]

First, I'm a bit skeptical that the author of this story has his facts straight as to there being "NO Robust Public Option". I have a very hard time believing Nacy Pelosi, Barney Frank, Maxine Waters and the rest of the Far Left Dems would pass a bill without a Public Option. Maybe the author means the word "Robust" like "Doctor" doesn't appear in the 1990 pages and there is just A Public Option. I'll wait until I get a honest translation of what's in the bill from Fox News.

The second thing everyone should be very concerned with is the cost. Estimated at $894 Billion over ten years! That is a huge number, but not as huge as what it will really cost, try $2,682 Billion or $2.682 TRILLION DOLLARS! Anytime our government estimates a cost on anything you always have to multiply that estimate by at least 3 to calculate the real cost!

Now, all of you liberal Obama loving Dems out there
that are itching to "Judge it" this post( clueless or nuts ) prove my last statement wrong before you do. Come on, when has our government ever estimated the real end cost of any huge project, program, defense system or entitlement anywhere close to the original estimate. You can use either party's pet spends, have either of them ever come close? NO THEY HAVEN'T!

They always; OVER PROMISE, UNDER DELIVER AND DO IT AT THRICE THR PRICE!
Deficit Nutral: No Way in Hell

[Shady Lady]

Let them take their sick bodies back to their own country. We cannot take care of every one in the world. You need to understand the meaning of legal, and illegal. Legal immigrants need Healthare, Illegal aliens need to be deported until they can make application to come back legally. Democrats made a big mistake when they decided to give healthcare to illegals. It will cost them the 2010 election.

[Independent Thinker]

It should be renamed ObamaScare, because all it does is SCARE the S**T out of everyone, because they know that HC will be rationed and no one will want to be a doctor anymore.

Why do you think Canadians are coming to the USA for their operations and stuff, because it is rationed in their country.

Here it is, if you dare to read it:

http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa....

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[Bahia Honda]

How does the CBO, or anyone else for that matter, determine Cost & Duration when the pelosi bill says Kathleen Sebelius (Sec of HHS):

Title I: Immediate Reforms

- "shall Establish a temporary national High Risk pool... to PROVIDE health benefits to eligible individuals during the period beginning Jan. 1, 2010...ending on the date on which the Health Insurance Exchange is established.

1- Is this "Free" Health Care aka. Tax Payer funded? Is pelosi crazy?

2- What insurance policy are we the Tax Payer paying FOR under this plan?

3- Cost! Why isn't there be a set dollar reimbursement or paid amount per person? This is open ended and is inviting abuse.

4- Why isn't the duration fixed instead of tied to creation of another gov agency that could be delayed or name changed or any other trick to give away more tax payer money with no one really understanding what happened?


http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa....
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[Independent Thinker]

Should the Government Provide Free Universal Health Care for All Americans?

NO!

There isn't a single government agency or division that runs efficiently; do we really want an organization that developed the U.S. Tax Code handling something as complex as health care?

"Free" health care isn't really free since we must pay for it with taxes; expenses for health care would have to be paid for with higher taxes or spending cuts in other areas such as defense, education, etc.

Profit motives, competition, and individual ingenuity have always led to greater cost control and effectiveness.

Government-controlled health care would lead to a decrease in patient flexibility.

Patients aren't likely to curb their drug costs and doctor visits if health care is free; thus, total costs will be several times what they are now.

Just because Americans are uninsured doesn't mean they can't receive health care; nonprofits and government-run hospitals provide services to those who don't have insurance, and it is illegal to refuse emergency medical service because of a lack of insurance.

Government-mandated procedures will likely reduce doctor flexibility and lead to poor patient care.
Healthy people who take care of themselves will have to pay for the burden of those who smoke, are obese, etc.

A long, painful transition will have to take place involving lost insurance industry jobs, business closures, and new patient record creation.
Loss of private practice options and possible reduced pay may dissuade many would-be doctors from pursuing the profession.

Malpractice lawsuit costs, which are already sky-high, could further explode since universal care may expose the government to legal liability, and the possibility to sue someone with deep pockets usually invites more lawsuits.

Government is more likely to pass additional restrictions or increase taxes on smoking, fast food, etc., leading to a further loss of personal freedoms.

Patient confidentiality is likely to be compromised since centralized health information will likely be maintained by the government.
Health care equipment, drugs, and services may end up being rationed by the government. In other words, politics, lifestyle of patients, and philosophical differences of those in power, could determine who gets what.

Patients may be subjected to extremely long waits for treatment.

Like social security, any government benefit eventually is taken as a "right" by the public, meaning that it's politically near impossible to remove or curtail it later on when costs get out of control.

Do you really want health care that even the Congress and Senate won't have for even their own families?

The waste and fraud in Medicare, Medicaid and other programs has not been addressed, so how can the politicians run another health care system?
http://www.balancedpolitics.org/universal_hea...

[mdbuilder]

Barack Obama: "Chains we can believe in."

[PooPoo Platter]

$2.4 million per word???

SOLD!!!

Take it home, get acquainted with it, learn to love it. Come Thanksgiving, we'll give thanks to Almighty God that it's the law of the land!

Unless obstinate teabaggers and their Republican reps throw one of their town hall hissy fits; than we'll celebrate it's birth on Christmas, along with the usual Birthday Boy...

[Marine Corp Pat]

We are almost there people; a major victory for the American people, the Democratic Party and President Obama. Who would have thought back in August, at the height of the bullying tactics and hooligan behavior by those unpatriotic right-wingers at those town hall meetings that we would be this close to Health Care Reform just a few weeks later?

These are truly great times for this nation as President Obama leads us back towards peace and prosperity.

[Clark Kent]

There is no way this thing is Constitutional!

Hey, I'll cover illegals or anybody I can with any condition... But let me do it through choice and charity, not by government theft from my pocket.

If I choose not to cover myself, that's on me! Don't force me to buy into programs that I don't want!

The people of this country are soon going to have to make a real choice. Do you want the rights and freedoms of the Constitution? Or do we choose to slowly wrap ourselves in the chains of Tyranny? It's time to choose people. Freedom and individuality or dictatorship and totalitarianism?

"A government large enough to give you everything you need is large enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson

"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." - Thomas Jefferson

God bless this great country!

[Wake up USA]

Congress is dumber than sack full of rocks. They did not write this socialist manifesto nor have the read it. Next week's election is going to be preview of how enthused the people are with OBUMMER CARE created by the last thing that went over the fence. I watched the 4 idiots we have running in the primary for Kennedy's seat and I never saw such a row of bum kissing liberals before. All we needed was Barney Frank to have put his name into nomination and then you could really get sick and need OBUMMER CARE.

[Just saying]

I hope they all have other jobs lined up for after next November. They passed one bill that wasted 1 trillion dollars, I think that is enough. How blind they must be to think the American public will stand for this. It is good they will throw their careers down the toilet for their great God Obama. Good luck to them finding a job, we don't have any....Thanks Barry!

[Doc Rich]

Marine Corp Pat wrote:

We are almost there people; a major victory for the American people, the Democratic Party and President Obama. Who would have thought back in August, at the height of the bullying tactics and hooligan behavior by those unpatriotic right-wingers at those town hall meetings that we would be this close to Health Care Reform just a few weeks later?
These are truly great times for this nation as President Obama leads us back towards peace and prosperity.

And who is going to pay for this, you dumb ass? I assume you make under the bridge so there is no money out of your pocket. Typical liberal. Take it out of my pocket to put it into yours. I get tired of this crap. Work for a living, like I do, then pay for your friends on welfare.

[Doc Rich]

PooPoo Platter wrote:

$2.4 million per word???
SOLD!!!
Take it home, get acquainted with it, learn to love it. Come Thanksgiving, we'll give thanks to Almighty God that it's the law of the land!
Unless obstinate teabaggers and their Republican reps throw one of their town hall hissy fits; than we'll celebrate it's birth on Christmas, along with the usual Birthday Boy...

Fine Poop, I'll probably have to let a employee go because of this legislation, maybe two. You should have your own business, and see what it is like to let a employee go because you can not afford them anymore. The heartache of their family, the loss of a friend. But you will never know that, because you have never been a employer, like I am. You are a sorry ass of a person hiding behind a mask on a internet board. Die in hell for all I care, you obviously don't.

[Doc Rich]

And Poop will say "oh, you make so much why do you care?" Because you dumb ass, I actually love my employees and their families. I pay for medical, retirement, sick days, etc. They have been with me for 20 years. This new mandate will make me lose some of them, and that kills me, because I just can not goddam afford it. Is that hard to understand, you dumb ass? So Poo Poo, think before you go flying across your keyboard, this affects many people, not just you, and you tiny universe.

[Bluebonnets-This tle]

Can't call them illegal aliens any longer, they'll soon be legal democrats.

[Castle Bravo at Bikini]

We all need to realize there is no such thing as 'free'. Everything has to be paid for somehow by somebody. When a customer of any service, be it food service, mechanical maintenance, or healthcare, isn't affected by the price of said service, they tend to use it to the max.'Price' is the way our economy rations things.(It's why we don't all drive Mercedes and Lamborghinis.) There will have to be a way to portion out a finite resource (healthcare) to an almost infinite demand. If price is not the ration mechanism, what WILL be? And once we hand the government the power to make those rationing decisions, where will they stop? I don't believe this is about 'helping' us, it's about *control*. Remember, anything FedGov gives, FedGov can take away.
I don't think we need them in complete charge of our health care system. What we need is insurance reform that is common-sense, economically feasible, and understandable to the average decently educated American. Is that so much to ask?

[Cranky Old Man]

The Health Care Bill should have an expiration date. It is becoming stale. The Dems may have better success to just forget it and move on to some other fiasco.

[Bluebonnets-This tle]

Cranky Old Man wrote:

The Health Care Bill should have an expiration date. It is becoming stale. The Dems may have better success to just forget it and move on to some other fiasco.

Let's see if I can 'splain it to you friend.

We're going to pass a health care plan
written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it,
passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it,
signed by a president that also hasn't read it, and who smokes,
with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes,
overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and
financed by a country that's nearly broke.

How's that?