Republicans retreat on gay marriage

Republicans retreat on gay marriage

There are 590 comments on the KXRM-TV Colorado Springs story from Mar 30, 2012, titled Republicans retreat on gay marriage. In it, KXRM-TV Colorado Springs reports that:

Read more: National , Politics , Politico , Marriage , Same Sex Marriage , Gay Marriage , Republicans Going Silent on Gay Marriage , Republican Leadership Killing Efforts Opposing same Sex Unions , Opposing same Sex Marriage Losing Battle for GOP It's been one of the swiftest shifts in ideology and strategy for Republicans, as they've come nearly ... (more)

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#624 Apr 9, 2012
brad wrote:
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Still you offer nothing specific,just a lot of dispariging adjectives to discredit or fault something you know little or nothing about.
Did you learn this hatred in another place of worship or are you just intolerant in general?
Kind of ironic that the very fear you're railing against seems to be your own master.
Please point out the adjective in the statement you just replied too.

<The discussion was never about accountability or selfishness. You are all over the place here. We were discussing the use of harsh imagery by the church to manipulate people into obedience to Church Doctrine.>

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#625 Apr 9, 2012
nhjeff wrote:
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Here's a simple and obvious example: look how many churches demonize and ostracize gay people. That is an obvious and evil-hearted manipulation.
Indeed it is. The coffers of the church are filled by homophobic pew warmers incited by hate filled sermons demonizing gay and lesbian people.

“laugh until your belly hurts”

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#626 Apr 9, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>BTW I discovered today by watching the History Channel that the current idea of hell originated in 79 A.D. when the Apocalypse of Peter was written. It was the first time Christians embraced the idea of hell being an actual place of torment.
Oddly enough what many fundamentalists preach about hell is from that text and it was not included in the Bible!
that would be about right... saul of tarsus would have been sitting on the garbage heaps behind the temple in rome at about that time. that's when hell became popular. he and his followers used hell as a way to frighten the gullible and the superstitious in to embracing the new religion... it was about the same time that the 'salvation' story and the notion of 'born again' became popular.

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#627 Apr 9, 2012
dances with weebles wrote:
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that would be about right... saul of tarsus would have been sitting on the garbage heaps behind the temple in rome at about that time. that's when hell became popular. he and his followers used hell as a way to frighten the gullible and the superstitious in to embracing the new religion... it was about the same time that the 'salvation' story and the notion of 'born again' became popular.
Thank you for another excellent example about the origin of certain religious text used to manipulate the gullible into obedience to church doctrine.

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#628 Apr 9, 2012
brad wrote:
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Still you offer nothing specific,just a lot of dispariging adjectives to discredit or fault something you know little or nothing about.
Did you learn this hatred in another place of worship or are you just intolerant in general?
Kind of ironic that the very fear you're railing against seems to be your own master.
It seems you do not know the meaning of the word 'hatred' or 'adjective.'

Paranoid much?

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#629 Apr 9, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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It is obvious. Religions all start as cults who form around a tight belief system. They attract those who hold similar beliefs and push others away. In the case of Christianity, there were some great schisms where Christians with conflicting beliefs divided. The same holds true for the people in Hebrew Scripture. They too had factions. They had sacred books. The one's who prevailed determined what would be included. You asked for an example. Consider The Book of Leviticus, chapters one through six. These are written by the priests to feed the priests. People were required to be obedient to these teachings.
Precisely.

And later, during the Solomonic period, you can see the birth of a theocratic federalism built upon the salvation/righteousness-thru-s acrifice-and ritual cult of the Tribe of Levi. Prior to this, all the tribes each had their own places of sacrifice, seers and prophets. The temple was a powergrab by Judah-Benjamin. It was a Jewish Fed vs States rights issue where, in an inverse of US history, the Feds were in the South and the Rebs (pun intended) in the North. The underpinnings of the Federal Levitical structure was mostly deconstructed by the foreign captivity during which a new faction came to the fore. Without a temple for sacrifices, the traditions of the people gained ascendency, and the transmitters of those traditions were the Rabbis. The Pharisee Synagogue cult was born. With the return to Canaan, the Levites (Sadducee party) traded upon the nostalgia of the people for past glories which had grown in their minds to mythic proportions and "discovered" a book in the ruins of the temple. They parleyed this into a return to hegemony.

There were factors, sub-factions and additional rivalries and crosscurrents which were much more complex than this simple precis. Not all of them completely cynical and conspiratorial.

In opposition to this ... uh ... Federalization ... and playing it's own part, stood the folk religion of the prophets. Some in the North. Some in the South.

Yeshua was of the prophetic faction.

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#630 Apr 9, 2012
snyper wrote:
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Precisely.
And later, during the Solomonic period, you can see the birth of a theocratic federalism built upon the salvation/righteousness-thru-s acrifice-and ritual cult of the Tribe of Levi. Prior to this, all the tribes each had their own places of sacrifice, seers and prophets. The temple was a powergrab by Judah-Benjamin. It was a Jewish Fed vs States rights issue where, in an inverse of US history, the Feds were in the South and the Rebs (pun intended) in the North. The underpinnings of the Federal Levitical structure was mostly deconstructed by the foreign captivity during which a new faction came to the fore. Without a temple for sacrifices, the traditions of the people gained ascendency, and the transmitters of those traditions were the Rabbis. The Pharisee Synagogue cult was born. With the return to Canaan, the Levites (Sadducee party) traded upon the nostalgia of the people for past glories which had grown in their minds to mythic proportions and "discovered" a book in the ruins of the temple. They parleyed this into a return to hegemony.
There were factors, sub-factions and additional rivalries and crosscurrents which were much more complex than this simple precis. Not all of them completely cynical and conspiratorial.
In opposition to this ... uh ... Federalization ... and playing it's own part, stood the folk religion of the prophets. Some in the North. Some in the South.
Yeshua was of the prophetic faction.
um... are you trying to teach people something? that only bungs up their heads, you know.

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#632 Apr 9, 2012
dances with weebles wrote:
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um... are you trying to teach people something? that only bungs up their heads, you know.
Sorry. Old habits. I'll tone it down.

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#633 Apr 10, 2012
snyper wrote:
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Precisely.
And later, during the Solomonic period, you can see the birth of a theocratic federalism built upon the salvation/righteousness-thru-s acrifice-and ritual cult of the Tribe of Levi. Prior to this, all the tribes each had their own places of sacrifice, seers and prophets. The temple was a powergrab by Judah-Benjamin. It was a Jewish Fed vs States rights issue where, in an inverse of US history, the Feds were in the South and the Rebs (pun intended) in the North. The underpinnings of the Federal Levitical structure was mostly deconstructed by the foreign captivity during which a new faction came to the fore. Without a temple for sacrifices, the traditions of the people gained ascendency, and the transmitters of those traditions were the Rabbis. The Pharisee Synagogue cult was born. With the return to Canaan, the Levites (Sadducee party) traded upon the nostalgia of the people for past glories which had grown in their minds to mythic proportions and "discovered" a book in the ruins of the temple. They parleyed this into a return to hegemony.
There were factors, sub-factions and additional rivalries and crosscurrents which were much more complex than this simple precis. Not all of them completely cynical and conspiratorial.
In opposition to this ... uh ... Federalization ... and playing it's own part, stood the folk religion of the prophets. Some in the North. Some in the South.
Yeshua was of the prophetic faction.
Thank you. Yes Yeshua was of the prophetic faction and hated by the others. It is clear they called him a heretic.

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#634 Apr 10, 2012
dances with weebles wrote:
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um... are you trying to teach people something? that only bungs up their heads, you know.
Bungs up their heads?

Don't worry, their heads are already bunged by cynical brain washers like Matt Slick (CARM).

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