Bicylcists, conservationists disagree over best uses for San Ga...

A movement to create a National Recreation Area in the San Gabriel Mountains has sparked concern among mountain bikers, hang gliders and other user groups that their access to the mountains will be blocked.

[RaidersIn09]

"The Sierra Club and the San Gabriel Mountains Forever campaign would like to see recreation throughout the forest limited to non-motorized and low-impact activities. ".

Well, there's the bottom line. Turn the whole forest into a real or de facto wilderness area and in effect keep out everyone except the young and able (like Sierra clubbers) who can hike in. Forget everybody else, especially those overweight, diabetes-prone inner city kids. Good grief.

[Patches Ohoulihan]

F Sierra Club, leave it the way it is, no one is complaining about the lack of access. As for preservation...take a look at the station fire, everything is cyclical, it will all eventually burn anyway.

[Theolona Ranger]

Patches
It will eventually all be wshed into the Ocean

People ARE complaining about the lack of toilets and trash pickup, diapers inthe stream.

Go to the meeting in Glendora tonight and propose some fixes

Raider
It already is closed to ORV's except for a couple of river bottom areas
And they are complete trash heaps.
Bikes are unmotorized
What's the problem

Forest Service is good at Mining and Logging
Not so good about public access and recreation

[MSLSD]

Where are the Libtard voices in the Sierra Club when it comes to Mexican pot growers destroying and polluting the forests every year growing their illegal pot . Where is the outrage there???

[Art]

MSLSD wrote:

Where are the Libtard voices in the Sierra Club when it comes to Mexican pot growers destroying and polluting the forests every year growing their illegal pot . Where is the outrage there???

Not everyone is as obsessed with mexicans as you and the rest of the geriatric bitter bunch around here. The meeting and issue is about access and park designation, and the meeting has a time limit, so discussing mexico narco pot patches would be a waste of time as it has little to do with the meeting. That topic is much better suited for a DEA-sherriffs-park arnger meeting, genius.

[HAHAHA]

what id like to know is what gives any of those assholes the right to decide what i can do in the forest. it belongs to me as much as it does them. i think that our forests should be open to whomever wants to use them for whatever reason. as it is, most of the forests in california are freakin owned by sierra pacific. they gate and close so much stuff you cant even find an area to camp anymore. i think this whole country needs a good case of anarchy.

[WOW]

This is an idea thought up, by the well meaning, who tend not to listen to others, that it appears has not been well thought out?

This proposal is coming from a very small group of people who appear to be insulated and narrowly focused. They need to listen to more input from many other legitimate environmental activists and user groups on this issue. This is true even within the Sierra Club, where the solution has been advanced before a problem has even been fully defined?

I am a Sierra Club member, and I have deep concerns when minority factions of the Club start going off on tangents to solve every problem by tilting at windmills.......and alienating other users who are, or should be, allies in the cause to preserve and maintain this resource.

What is the fundamental problem? What uses? What impacts? Why a lack of resources? What happened to our Venture Pass funds? And, why do these issues exist, and does transfer from one Federal agency to another, do anything, or is it just changing the logo on the paperwork, and the agency name on road signs?

I suggest this small faction start thinking about these things before you start advocating this kind of solution to every problem in our urban/wilderness interface...... and before spending so much money on this....?

Those resources that you are spending on this proposal, and those allies and constituents that you are alienating, could be harnessed to solve some of these problems, rather than play politics with the issues?

[Mike]

People ARE complaining about the lack of toilets and trash pickup, diapers in the stream.

Quote:-- Go to the meeting in Glendora tonight and propose some fixes

I have one, don't let Mexicans use the forest, problem solved!! It was beautiful before they came in mass, no lie!!

[Patches Ohoulihan]

Too many gates, fences, signs, restrictions...You can't even escape to the mountains for a day without being cited for lack of permits or trespassing etc.

[Top Turkey]

MSLSD wrote:

Where are the Libtard voices in the Sierra Club when it comes to Mexican pot growers destroying and polluting the forests every year growing their illegal pot . Where is the outrage there???

A lot of those Sierra Club people are pot heads and dope users.

[MSLSD]

Art wrote:

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Not everyone is as obsessed with mexicans as you and the rest of the geriatric bitter bunch around here. The meeting and issue is about access and park designation, and the meeting has a time limit, so discussing mexico narco pot patches would be a waste of time as it has little to do with the meeting. That topic is much better suited for a DEA-sherriffs-park arnger meeting, genius.

My forest never used to look like a toilet.

Please do me a favor -
Drive up to Azusa Canyon to the East Fork area and look who is trashing and spray tagging the forests up there on a Saturday or Sunday during the Summer months.

[No doubt]

MSLSD wrote:

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My forest never used to look like a toilet.
Please do me a favor -
Drive up to Azusa Canyon to the East Fork area and look who is trashing and spray tagging the forests up there on a Saturday or Sunday during the Summer months.

I ride in the San Gabes every weekend. 90% of the users are non-Latino. Over the years I have busted about 30 people in the act of littering in the forest and streams. 100% have been Latino. Coincidece? Bad timing?I think not.

Last year during the Sierra Madre fires, I caught a small Latino family of 15 carting items for a cookout into the trails behind JPL, including charcoal briquettes and lighter fluid (using a shopping cart, no less). Anyway, I told them I was calling the cops and they better beat it. They bailed.

[Mike]

No doubt wrote:

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I ride in the San Gabes every weekend. 90% of the users are non-Latino. Over the years I have busted about 30 people in the act of littering in the forest and streams. 100% have been Latino. Coincidece? Bad timing?I think not.
Last year during the Sierra Madre fires, I caught a small Latino family of 15 carting items for a cookout into the trails behind JPL, including charcoal briquettes and lighter fluid (using a shopping cart, no less). Anyway, I told them I was calling the cops and they better beat it. They bailed.

Should have called the "migre". White folks? where is that, I went up there and it was disgusting. Actual fecal piles with cut off pant legs used for toilet paper, diapers, tapatio bottles, and tortilla wrappers, graffiti everywhere. No one would change my mind about who uses those mountains. You have to hike up a ways to get out of the bathing zone i would guess. Yes, they use soap while they are in the water too, I saw it myself. Tell me I was seeing things, please!

[No doubt]

Yeah, depends when/ where you go. Early mornings, few Latinos. They pile in around lunchtime with plastic baggies full of chip bags, beers and sodas.
Also, if u stay low, near streams, you are right. You'll see more. Funny (gross) about the bathing thing. I see that all the time. Also, graffiti on boulders. How retarded is that?
I usually climb 3000-5000 feet, and the hikers up there are predominantly white and Asian.

[True Freedom]

No doubt wrote:

Yeah, depends when/ where you go. Early mornings, few Latinos. They pile in around lunchtime with plastic baggies full of chip bags, beers and sodas.
Also, if u stay low, near streams, you are right. You'll see more. Funny (gross) about the bathing thing. I see that all the time. Also, graffiti on boulders. How retarded is that?
I usually climb 3000-5000 feet, and the hikers up there are predominantly white and Asian.

I bike up there nearly every weekend, too, and see the same pattern.(do you post on str for rides?).

Finishing a ride at JPL, back where the trail forks for Brown Mtn I found two empty boxes of crackers, three eaten yogurt cups, spoons, napkins, banana peels, etc all strewn about.

On the closed road back to the car, I asked peeps if they saw who did it. A gal pushing a stroller, whose ethnicity i will not mention, claimed it was hers but she couldn't carry it out. I told her to carry it out the same way she carried it in.

She then unloads with an expletive filled tirade, asking me who I thought I was, yadda, yadda, all in front of her four year old daughter and younger son. Disgusting.

[True Freedom]

he he Topix censored: "box of c.rack.ers"

[Mike]

When we were kids, we called it "Weekend Wetty Washup" or we saw a "Spicnic".
The rangers would come to us all pissed off, "you see anyone ("mexicans") netting the fish, get the license plate, they must be taking the stockers to the market". We'd go down to the stream and there are no fish, but nets and buckets thrown in the trees. Pescado, no gotto. A little later in the afternoon you see soap suds coming down where your fishing.

[Angus]

"Many communities in the San Gabriel Valley are vastly lacking parkland." Vastly lacking??? I take it Ms. Kimitch isn't a Yale or Harvard graduate. Don't they still teach proper grammar in community college journalism classes? Doesn't an editor still proofread this dribble before it gets published?

[Angus]

Mike wrote:

When we were kids, we called it "Weekend Wetty Washup" or we saw a "Spicnic".
The rangers would come to us all **** off, "you see anyone ("mexicans") netting the fish, get the license plate, they must be taking the stockers to the market". We'd go down to the stream and there are no fish, but nets and buckets thrown in the trees. Pescado, no gotto. A little later in the afternoon you see soap suds coming down where your fishing.

When you let illegal aliens turn your city into a version of Tijuana, you shouldn't be surprised when they turn your trout stream into a version of the Tijuana River. Sad.

[JQ Public]

Lot's of useless "turkey's", low life losers, and their usual mindless drivel, but not too many real or useful comments, on this. A pretty sad commentary on a serious local issue.