NJ senator calls for anti-bully law after suicide

Oct 7, 2010 Full story: KWWL-TV Waterloo 25

U.S. Sen. Frank Lautenberg said Wednesday he'll introduce legislation requiring colleges to adopt a code of conduct that prohibits bullying and harassment following the suicide of a student whose gay sexual encounter in his dorm room was broadcast online.

Full Story
First Prev
of 2
Next Last

“i hope we can change this!”

Since: Aug 08

usa

#2 Oct 7, 2010
jeez!
i'm not trying to be insensitive to the kid that just killed himself, but, come on!
"anti bullying laws"???

ASIDE from the fact there are REAL issues that need to addressed by these morons in washington...
does ANYONE else see a conflict with the 1st amendment here?
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#3 Oct 7, 2010
carey529 wrote:
jeez!
i'm not trying to be insensitive to the kid that just killed himself, but, come on!
"anti bullying laws"???
ASIDE from the fact there are REAL issues that need to addressed by these morons in washington...
does ANYONE else see a conflict with the 1st amendment here?
You bet your ass, I do!! Well I am insensitive, the kid was weak and had many other problems. The senator is as full of shit as a Christmas goose if he thinks for a second that his bill will change one damn thing. What a idiot.

Since: Aug 10

Atlanta, GA

#4 Oct 7, 2010
I'm not going to go so far as to call him weak, but I'm with you, Carey. "Anti-bullying" laws? Bullying is one of those words like beautiful or delicious. It's a matter of opinion. What may upset you may roll off my back. There are simply too many variables to determine what is and isn't "bully."

I don't like the government determining these types of things. This is the government becoming too involved in our thought processes and our personal feelings.

Should we all be nice to one another? Yes, and in a perfect world we all would be. But this is by far not a perfect world, and I hate that the government jumps in a FORCES us into "perfection." I want to be nice on my own, not because some idiot politician creates laws telling me I HAVE to be nice or else.

Most of us have been bullied or treated badly at some time in our life. We all know what it feels like. We all know the true bullies are assholes. But preferable I would like them out in the open where I can see them, not hiding behind some stupid law that keeps them under some thin veil of legalese so I'm not sure who or what they are.

I think this latest kid who killed himself and made national news was probably only one step away from the edge of bridge anyway. He probably would have committed suicide at some point because he had poor coping skills. His inability to cope with life doesn't warrant a knee-jerk reaction that will affect an entire nation.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#5 Oct 7, 2010
carey529 wrote:
jeez!
i'm not trying to be insensitive to the kid that just killed himself, but, come on!
"anti bullying laws"???
ASIDE from the fact there are REAL issues that need to addressed by these morons in washington...
does ANYONE else see a conflict with the 1st amendment here?
I see the christian right wing wackos hiding behind the 1st amendment to discriminate against others.

Does anyone honestly believe they would be opposed to anti-bullying laws if it was THEIR kids being bullied because of their religion?

I vow to physically, verbally, & emotionally harass every christian I meet.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#6 Oct 7, 2010
tidy catz wrote:
I'm not going to go so far as to call him weak, but I'm with you, Carey. "Anti-bullying" laws? Bullying is one of those words like beautiful or delicious. It's a matter of opinion. What may upset you may roll off my back. There are simply too many variables to determine what is and isn't "bully."
I don't like the government determining these types of things. This is the government becoming too involved in our thought processes and our personal feelings.
Should we all be nice to one another? Yes, and in a perfect world we all would be. But this is by far not a perfect world, and I hate that the government jumps in a FORCES us into "perfection." I want to be nice on my own, not because some idiot politician creates laws telling me I HAVE to be nice or else.
Most of us have been bullied or treated badly at some time in our life. We all know what it feels like. We all know the true bullies are assholes. But preferable I would like them out in the open where I can see them, not hiding behind some stupid law that keeps them under some thin veil of legalese so I'm not sure who or what they are.
I think this latest kid who killed himself and made national news was probably only one step away from the edge of bridge anyway. He probably would have committed suicide at some point because he had poor coping skills. His inability to cope with life doesn't warrant a knee-jerk reaction that will affect an entire nation.
So then you don't think the govt should make laws against stealing or murder either. After all, stealing is "just a matter of opinion"......
Rich

Searsport, ME

#7 Oct 7, 2010
Can "Bully Free Zone"signs be far behind? Just look at how effective the Drug Free Zone and Bias Free Zone signs have been around schools.

Lautenberg is an old tool who should have been shipped off to the glue factory years ago.

Next up will be the ever popular Zero Tolerance policy in regard to bullying,how pathetic.

These feel good policies are supported by those who never recovered from cowering in the corner after giving up their milk money to the 4th grade bully.

“i hope we can change this!”

Since: Aug 08

usa

#8 Oct 7, 2010
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
I see the christian right wing wackos hiding behind the 1st amendment to discriminate against others.
Does anyone honestly believe they would be opposed to anti-bullying laws if it was THEIR kids being bullied because of their religion?
I vow to physically, verbally, & emotionally harass every christian I meet.
then, you need glasses (among MANY other things!).

try and follow, dumbass...
there was NOTHING "christian", right wing OR wacko here...(second only to "RACIST"! in the left wing loon arsenal of baseless personal attacks!). and NOBODY was talking about discrimination (that would be #3 on the loon top 10 list of stupid things to say).
as i might have expected, your mommie never told you how to handle a bully...
you stand up for yourself (of course, being a left wing loon...you couldn't POSSIBLY do THAT!) and you confront them...you DON'T allow some worthless, dipshit, grandstanding senator who smells a few extra votes to turn this into a campaign stop!

btw, nobody gives a rat's ass who you vow to harass! MOST thinking people ignore you anyhow!

“i hope we can change this!”

Since: Aug 08

usa

#9 Oct 7, 2010
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
So then you don't think the govt should make laws against stealing or murder either. After all, stealing is "just a matter of opinion"......
can you REALLY be THAT stupid?
frank miller

United States

#10 Oct 7, 2010
Albeit the suicide of this obviously violin gifted Rutgers, New Jersey University young junior, one year from graduation, betrayed by his male roomate, and a female student by posting his web-cam recorded homosexual encounter, on a social website, is tragic beyond belief, and the 2 involved should have been expelled right-away, and subsequently delt with under any pertinent New Jersey Law, and past precedent when a woman was prosecuted for leading a young girl to suicide, during an unfortunate boy-friend breakup situation, on a similar web-site disclosure, a couple of years ago, this incident does not rise to the level of anti-bullying legislation, be it on College/University campuses; be it on elementary school playgrounds; be it on high school domains; or anywhere else for that matter!?
Thre is more, I think to this Rutgers tragedy that meets the eye.
F.M.
BirdyNumNums

Costa Mesa, CA

#11 Oct 7, 2010
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
I see the christian right wing wackos hiding behind the 1st amendment to discriminate against others.
Does anyone honestly believe they would be opposed to anti-bullying laws if it was THEIR kids being bullied because of their religion?
I vow to physically, verbally, & emotionally harass every christian I meet.
What with, a limp wrist? Maybe you should vow to knock all your teeth out, so you can gum them into submission. Proclaiming sodomy as a religion hasn't seemed to work.
frank miller

United States

#12 Oct 7, 2010
Continuation of my #10 post: This young man evidently had time to change his mind, before jumping off a bridge, into icy cold waters, by writing several public attention notes on his computer. Why didn't he call his parents? Was he on anti-depressant drugs? In spite of being an accomplished violin player, and perhaps a future in playing for a Philarmonic Orchestra, and still have such a low opinion of himself, disreguard for his parents grief, or brother/sister if any? After all being gay, either by preference, or loneliness experimentation, is nothing new, these days! Decades ago, yes it would have been mortifying, to imagine ridicule by the entire heterosexual student-body, faculty.
One way to handle problems, are campus 'prefects'
chosen from the Senior Student Body, and roving around the campus, formally dressed, be they male or females, personally interfacing with all students, spotting 'smokers' for example, or simply just being seen. Being hall-way monitors, in each dorm, would help, with training, spot
loners students, spot drinking binges, etc..
Another way is to immediately 'block' any sexual, heterosexual, gay, e-social web-sites renditions, be they fraternity/sorority party/hazing, or simply general campus activities.
I would not call that incident 'bullying', unless this young man, had been constantly harrassed by his roommate/others, on the same gay behavior! Girls/roommates often experiment with lesbian activitities, and that ought to be part, of any councelling sessions. Any other suggestions?
F.M.

Since: Aug 10

Atlanta, GA

#13 Oct 7, 2010
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
So then you don't think the govt should make laws against stealing or murder either. After all, stealing is "just a matter of opinion"......
We're talking apples and oranges. You went WAY over the top with this statement. We know what murder and stealing are. What is bullying? If I call you a stupid jackass is that bullying? Should I go to jail for that? Should we tie up the legal system because your feelings got hurt?

A law on "bullying" could get misconstrued out the whazoo. Next thing you know every elementary school playground argument is going to end up in court.

There are plenty of laws in our country already to protect people. If someone commits suicide, that's an act they did all by themselves. And as someone who has suffered from severe depression I know a thing or to about suicide; but God forbid, should I ever get to that point I never want it to be blamed on anyone else. Let's blame it on what it is - my ability to cope with life failed.
frank miller

United States

#14 Oct 7, 2010
Answer to 'tidy catz Decatur, GA #13'. Dear there are some chemical classes of prescription-only dispensed anti-depressant drugs, on top of my head I can't remember, which induce suicidal behavior, and a quick visit to an Emergency Hospital Facility which will provide instant, non addictive relief, is 'Clonazepam, 1mg'. It may even work without anti-depressant antecedent! The University of Rutgers, surely had an emergency doctors/nurses
station. Why didn't this young man, one year from graduation, report there right away? Perhaps as an adult, as opposed to a naiive student, you can rationalize self-will, in dealing with life's psychological, or physical traumas. Legislating
anti-bullying laws, I agree with you is a knee-jerk over the top reaction.
F.M.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#15 Oct 7, 2010
tidy catz wrote:
<quoted text>
We're talking apples and oranges. You went WAY over the top with this statement. We know what murder and stealing are. What is bullying? If I call you a stupid jackass is that bullying? Should I go to jail for that? Should we tie up the legal system because your feelings got hurt?
A law on "bullying" could get misconstrued out the whazoo. Next thing you know every elementary school playground argument is going to end up in court.
There are plenty of laws in our country already to protect people. If someone commits suicide, that's an act they did all by themselves. And as someone who has suffered from severe depression I know a thing or to about suicide; but God forbid, should I ever get to that point I never want it to be blamed on anyone else. Let's blame it on what it is - my ability to cope with life failed.
What is stealing? What is murder? There are many definitions, many different circumstances to each. If I'm starving and take food left at the side of the road is that stealing? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. If someone breaks into my house and I shoot them dead, is that murder? Sometimes no, sometimes yes. It all depends upon the circumstances & motivation, just like anti-bullying laws.

The ONLY people against anti-bullying laws are those who want the right to be able to bully those they don't like. Ironically everyone is pretty clear about what constitutes bullying, except the bullies.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#16 Oct 7, 2010
carey529 wrote:
<quoted text>
then, you need glasses (among MANY other things!).
try and follow, dumbass...
there was NOTHING "christian", right wing OR wacko here...(second only to "RACIST"! in the left wing loon arsenal of baseless personal attacks!). and NOBODY was talking about discrimination (that would be #3 on the loon top 10 list of stupid things to say).
as i might have expected, your mommie never told you how to handle a bully...
you stand up for yourself (of course, being a left wing loon...you couldn't POSSIBLY do THAT!) and you confront them...you DON'T allow some worthless, dipshit, grandstanding senator who smells a few extra votes to turn this into a campaign stop!
btw, nobody gives a rat's ass who you vow to harass! MOST thinking people ignore you anyhow!
ZZZZZZZZZZZ

Is that why the ONLY people fighting anti-bullying laws are the christian wackos??
Bob Burns

Kunming, China

#17 Oct 7, 2010
Bullying and harassment are bad, sure, but taking a picture is neither. A picture is a true and neutral statement of fact. If you don't want people to know what you're doing, maybe you shouldn't be doing it
Rich

Searsport, ME

#18 Oct 7, 2010
There are existing laws regulating behavior.Menacing and Harrassment easily encompass behavior one might consider bullying. there is NO reason to legislate yet one more "FEEL GOOD" nonsensical law.
Instead those who have an innate need to show how compassionate they are force feed the public new unneeded laws that frequently target behavior that has nothing to do with the original intent.
Politicians eager to show how responsive and caring they are rush to pass flawed bills that we all pay the price for afterward.
'Bullying" is just the cause du jour,another cause for those with no lives to cling to until the next "deadly serious afflication" to be dealt with eclipses its importance.
frank miller

United States

#19 Oct 7, 2010
Oh shut up you stupid diarrhea of the mouth trolling for 2.5 years on Topix revolving-door-arguing moron 'We The Sheeple Tawas City, Michigan ad-nausea #15/#16'! There may not be a statistically variant difference in U.S.A. College/University per thousands, rates of suicides from let's say the 1970's,1980's,1990's,2000's, 2010's eras! Some people feel confident that they will succeed in the future, regardless of the obstacles, as their public self and private self are the same. The impostor phenomenon, the feeling that one is out
of his/her league, is a chronic dillusion, but at the same time a driving force for striving, ought to be emphasized one way or the other. Peer group, senior 'prefects', not adults reinforcing, serve both as role models, and boundary limits authority
figures, much like Athletic coaches/gifted athletes are modeleling character, realizing that both Failure {losing} and Success {winning} are just 2 complementary sides of the same coin. Youths reared in working class families, with parents who never entertained the tought of going on to college, are especially I think vulnerable. Sororities/Fraternities make a conscious attempt
at normalizing beyond graduation a circle of permanent friends, allies, and good all around imaginative non-subtle initial 'impostor complex' screening! "If you never stumble, the chances are you are not stretching your abilities to their limits."
F.M.

Since: Aug 10

Atlanta, GA

#20 Oct 8, 2010
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
What is stealing? What is murder? There are many definitions, many different circumstances to each. If I'm starving and take food left at the side of the road is that stealing? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. If someone breaks into my house and I shoot them dead, is that murder? Sometimes no, sometimes yes. It all depends upon the circumstances & motivation, just like anti-bullying laws.
The ONLY people against anti-bullying laws are those who want the right to be able to bully those they don't like. Ironically everyone is pretty clear about what constitutes bullying, except the bullies.
I'm far from being a bully. That said, murder and stealing are definitive. Their definitions are not near as broad as for "bullying." We don't even know what "bullying" is. If you make someone cry is THAT bullying? And what might make you cry might not bother me at all, so it's relative to personality. A recording of someone sexual encounter broadcasted on the internet makes one person commit suicide; yet someone else might actually take it in stride and find it funny. They might even be proud. You can't totally define bullying because its success rests with its victims.

What about families? Brothers and sisters bully each other all the time. Should we have them arrested? What about children's playground arguments? Are we going to drag children to court? If you flip someone a bird on the highway could that be construed as bullying?

Let's say you get upset with a store clerk who has provided you poor service and that clerk goes home and blows his brains out. Could YOU be held liable? Let's say you're at odds with a co-worker and he or she jumps off a bridge. Could YOU find yourself in legal trouble?

If someone feels they are being "bullied" they have options. Talk to the bully personally. See if you can't come to some resolution. Seek out an authority figure (a boss, teacher, parent, counselor, etc) for help. If you feel suicidal, please get professional help.

There is a difference between being bullied and being threatened. Let's not merge or confuse the two. If someone is threatened with bodily harm that is a serious offense for which laws are already established. Let's not let the government create laws on top of laws that will do more harm than good.

Since: Aug 10

Atlanta, GA

#21 Oct 8, 2010
frank miller wrote:
Answer to 'tidy catz Decatur, GA #13'. Dear there are some chemical classes of prescription-only dispensed anti-depressant drugs, on top of my head I can't remember, which induce suicidal behavior, and a quick visit to an Emergency Hospital Facility which will provide instant, non addictive relief, is 'Clonazepam, 1mg'. It may even work without anti-depressant antecedent! The University of Rutgers, surely had an emergency doctors/nurses
station. Why didn't this young man, one year from graduation, report there right away? Perhaps as an adult, as opposed to a naiive student, you can rationalize self-will, in dealing with life's psychological, or physical traumas. Legislating
anti-bullying laws, I agree with you is a knee-jerk over the top reaction.
F.M.
Frank, plenty of adults commit suicide. I suffer from clinical depression. I've taken a class 2 anti-depressant for 12 years in order to have a functioning life. Trust me, I am an adult. I am 52 years old, I work every day, I own a home, I've been married, divorced and been a single parent.

Depression is a cancer of the soul. It can go into remission or it can rear it's ugly head at any time. When it does you are no more in control of your logical self than, say, a drunk. The pain of depression is tremendous. Imagine the worst emotional pain or heartache you've ever experienced in your life then multiply it by 100. Add to that guilt and anxiety and self-doubt and plummeting self-esteem that gnaws at you day in and day out and there you have it - a depressive episode.

Depression can also strike anyone at any time - even you. It has nothing to do with self-will or whether a person is weak or strong. It's an illness like high blood pressure or diabetes, which is why it can be controlled with medication. In fact, the so-called "strong" people are most often the ones to commit suicide because they won't admit to themselves or anyone else that there's a problem.

I'm glad to see that finally the archaic stigmas of mental illness are slowly being lifted in our society. We still have a long way to go. Maybe if more emphasis were placed on mental illnesses and treatment we wouldn't have the terrible suicide rate in this country that we do.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker
First Prev
of 2
Next Last

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Frank Pallone Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
Bruised from midterm elections, Democrats face ... Nov '14 Cement Heads 37
40,000 Expected at India Day Parade (Aug '14) Sep '14 I Agree 3
Feds Probe Christie's Use Of Sandy Relief Funds (Jan '14) Sep '14 swedenforever 20
Obamacare's disappearing insurance mandate (Mar '14) Mar '14 sheepleloveroyalty 3
Chris Christie not the first to use disaster ai... (Feb '14) Feb '14 Ohh Emm Gee 11
Is the end near for Chris Christie? (Feb '14) Feb '14 then 1
U.S. prosecutors subpoena documents in N.J. bri... (Jan '14) Jan '14 fingiswold 8
More from around the web