U.S. House GOP look to reshape birth ...

U.S. House GOP look to reshape birth control debate

There are 332 comments on the Reuters story from Mar 9, 2012, titled U.S. House GOP look to reshape birth control debate. In it, Reuters reports that:

An anti-abortion demonstrator passes the U.S. Capitol as he takes part in the ''March for Life'' in Washington January 23, 2012.

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“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#310 Mar 23, 2012
Anne wrote:
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Any woman who calls herself a feminist in spite of agreeing with or not speaking out against these state-level encroachments on women's reproductive rights definitely qualifies as a dittohead. Since these laws at that level involve depriving women of access to health care, they have extremely serious ramifications. At the federal level, since the defeat of the Blunt amendment, Republicans at that level are starting to back off the issue of contraception because they see that their stand on it has not been a winning one.
Are you refering to the Catholic Church's rules in place for years without one sound from you loons or the Constitutional infriengement Obama tried to force past the citizens of America.
Anne

Washington, DC

#311 Mar 24, 2012
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Are you refering to the Catholic Church's rules in place for years without one sound from you loons or the Constitutional infriengement Obama tried to force past the citizens of America.
Since most Catholic women are using birth control, the hierarchy is fighting a battle that has already been lost in their very own church. Not only have they lost that battle, but they also lost when they aligned themselves in this issue with the GOP, which parts company with them in helping the poor. Trying to frame the issue as one of "religious freedom" didn't work, especially since they were trying to impose their own ideology on others. All President Obama did was to work to make birth control available to as many women as possible. No one who doesn't want to use it is being forced to. But of course, you predictably deflected from the issue I addressed about the encroachments on women's reproductive rights on the state level in states with GOP governors. I repeat, anyone who calls herself a feminist and either approves of these intrusive measures or doesn't speak up against them is a hypocritical dittohead.
Go Blue

West Palm Beach, FL

#312 Mar 24, 2012
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>I read in yesterday's LA Times that the repubs are having trouble for there are so many splinter groups of conservatives. None of them get alone and it is hurting their chances. Many, despite being conservative, don't like the teabaggers. many are not so religious, but still must hop on board the fundie train. It is causing tremendous pressure and wasting time and effort.
The republicans of yore, Eisenhower, Goldwater, Nixon, any others I can recall in my life, would probably not even win today. I have read that even Reagan, though viewed through soft focus rosy glasses, would probably NOT be conservative enough for today's insatiable conservatives.
I can easily see, why they are leary of the tea party....After all their veiled threats about, wait til the 2010 election, then when it embraced all the rookie congressmen, who committed themselves to stonewalling the legislative process, thus dropping our country's credit rating......well, the wait til 2010 talk, seems kinda sad now, especially for the GOP....the tea party has actually done more harm, than good for the republican party.....William F. Buckley would'nt recognize what's left of it......

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Since: May 08

Vadnais Heights

#313 Mar 24, 2012
Anne wrote:
<quoted text>
Since most Catholic women are using birth control, the hierarchy is fighting a battle that has already been lost in their very own church. Not only have they lost that battle, but they also lost when they aligned themselves in this issue with the GOP, which parts company with them in helping the poor. Trying to frame the issue as one of "religious freedom" didn't work, especially since they were trying to impose their own ideology on others. All President Obama did was to work to make birth control available to as many women as possible. No one who doesn't want to use it is being forced to. But of course, you predictably deflected from the issue I addressed about the encroachments on women's reproductive rights on the state level in states with GOP governors. I repeat, anyone who calls herself a feminist and either approves of these intrusive measures or doesn't speak up against them is a hypocritical dittohead.
Ditto!
Anne

Washington, DC

#314 Mar 24, 2012
Madaman wrote:
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Ditto!
I just love the way your posts and mine are judged negatively. It's because there are folks who are either in blind denial of certain realities they want to deny the existence or they actually agree with these things I'm citing. It's too bad that for many people, the reality of such punitive measures has to set in before they see the light. The issue of birth control is proving to be an albatross for the Republican Party, and at least 2 have spoken about that fact. Lisa Murkowski from Alaska voted for the defeated Blunt amendment, and she got an earful from the women in her state. Now, she says she regrets voting for it. John McCain spoke against the proposed legislation in Arizona, saying the GOP needs to get off the issue and deal with the economy. He also voted for the Blunt amendment. I predict that as more of these punitive laws go into effect, and women of all political persuasions are adversely affected by them, it will become painfully obvious that this remains a valid issue. After all, those of us who correctly assessed Sarah Palin's character in TOPIX posts were often judged negatively, so the negative judgments don't do anything to detract from the truth.

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Since: May 08

Vadnais Heights

#315 Mar 24, 2012
Anne wrote:
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I just love the way your posts and mine are judged negatively. It's because there are folks who are either in blind denial of certain realities they want to deny the existence or they actually agree with these things I'm citing.... those of us who correctly assessed Sarah Palin's character in TOPIX posts were often judged negatively, so the negative judgments don't do anything to detract from the truth.
I am accustomed to seeing negative judgments on my posts -- usually means that I offended those most in need of offense. Sadly, many "conservatives" are NOT actually "conservative," they are in thrall to a rigid ideology that purports to be conservative -- when in fact it is NOT.

"Real" conservatives from the past abhorred deficit spending and debt, so the faux ideology pays lip service to that tradition -- while spending as if "deficits don't matter." (Dick Cheney) Of course, once they lost the Presidency, large deficits and mountains of debt are PROOF that Democrats hate America. They actually think that voters don't notice the utter hypocrisy!

As far as I am concerned, Republicans have destroyed their own brand. Once the Party of Fiscal Responsibility and Statecraft in foreign policy, they have now remade that "grownup" image into one of fiscal recklessness, and foreign policy of ignorant arrogance -- from "grownup" to prepubescent bully.

Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of chickenhawks!
dork

Thane, India

#317 Mar 24, 2012
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Anne

Washington, DC

#318 Mar 24, 2012
Madaman wrote:
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I am accustomed to seeing negative judgments on my posts -- usually means that I offended those most in need of offense. Sadly, many "conservatives" are NOT actually "conservative," they are in thrall to a rigid ideology that purports to be conservative -- when in fact it is NOT.
"Real" conservatives from the past abhorred deficit spending and debt, so the faux ideology pays lip service to that tradition -- while spending as if "deficits don't matter." (Dick Cheney) Of course, once they lost the Presidency, large deficits and mountains of debt are PROOF that Democrats hate America. They actually think that voters don't notice the utter hypocrisy!
As far as I am concerned, Republicans have destroyed their own brand. Once the Party of Fiscal Responsibility and Statecraft in foreign policy, they have now remade that "grownup" image into one of fiscal recklessness, and foreign policy of ignorant arrogance -- from "grownup" to prepubescent bully.
Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of chickenhawks!
"Prepubescent bully" is an apt description of so many, because it describes the folks who want to wage war with Iran but cave in when Rush Limbaugh expresses his displeasure at something they say, even when it's the truth. It makes one long for the days of Republicans like Dwight Eisenhower and Jack Kemp, or even J. Everett Koop, who were conservatives one could respect because they were measured and thoughtful men who would most likely be appalled at what the GOP has become today. Fiscal responsibility would acknowledge that birth control cuts down on the abortions, unwanted pregnancies, and health issues that would be much more costly to taxpayers without birth control's existence. The argument that people don't want to pay for others doesn't have any credence since we all subsidize each other already. That's part of being a cohesive society. In any case, the GOP is reaping what it has sown by embracing extremists in its quest to win at any cost. As a result, they are stuck with sorry candidates for the GOP nomination--one who lies at the drop of a hat if he thinks it will win him the nomination; another who is stuck in the Dark Ages especially when it comes to women's issues; yet another who has a record of being kicked out of Congress and has been a serial adulterer; and yet another who has a couple of good ideas that are outnumbered by the ones that are useless and outdated. As you say, it couldn't happen to a nicer group of people.
Eric Gustafson

Virginia Beach, VA

#319 Mar 24, 2012
The Conservatives did this to themselves once they accepted the unacceptable in 1964. What we are witnessing is the apparent division between the Fiscal Conservatives and the Social Conservatives. A war that has been brewing some 50 years when the State's Rights Democrats allied themselves with the Fiscal Conservatives.

When you lie down with dogs you are subject to get up with fleas.
Anne wrote:
<quoted text>
"Prepubescent bully" is an apt description of so many, because it describes the folks who want to wage war with Iran but cave in when Rush Limbaugh expresses his displeasure at something they say, even when it's the truth. It makes one long for the days of Republicans like Dwight Eisenhower and Jack Kemp, or even J. Everett Koop, who were conservatives one could respect because they were measured and thoughtful men who would most likely be appalled at what the GOP has become today. Fiscal responsibility would acknowledge that birth control cuts down on the abortions, unwanted pregnancies, and health issues that would be much more costly to taxpayers without birth control's existence. The argument that people don't want to pay for others doesn't have any credence since we all subsidize each other already. That's part of being a cohesive society. In any case, the GOP is reaping what it has sown by embracing extremists in its quest to win at any cost. As a result, they are stuck with sorry candidates for the GOP nomination--one who lies at the drop of a hat if he thinks it will win him the nomination; another who is stuck in the Dark Ages especially when it comes to women's issues; yet another who has a record of being kicked out of Congress and has been a serial adulterer; and yet another who has a couple of good ideas that are outnumbered by the ones that are useless and outdated. As you say, it couldn't happen to a nicer group of people.
Eric Gustafson

Virginia Beach, VA

#320 Mar 24, 2012
William Buckley in 2008 endorsed the Democrat for President.

Who would have ever thought such a thing could ever have occurred in America?
Anne

Washington, DC

#321 Mar 24, 2012
Eric Gustafson wrote:
The Conservatives did this to themselves once they accepted the unacceptable in 1964. What we are witnessing is the apparent division between the Fiscal Conservatives and the Social Conservatives. A war that has been brewing some 50 years when the State's Rights Democrats allied themselves with the Fiscal Conservatives.
When you lie down with dogs you are subject to get up with fleas.
<quoted text>
Your first and last sentences say it all, even though everything you've said in between is the serious truth. There's nothing like a political party doing more to destroy itself than anything the opposing party could ever hope to accomplish.
Go Blue

West Palm Beach, FL

#322 Mar 24, 2012
Eric Gustafson wrote:
William Buckley in 2008 endorsed the Democrat for President.
Who would have ever thought such a thing could ever have occurred in America?
C'mon, he was on his deathbed and GW scared the crap outta him, literally....lol....
Anne

Washington, DC

#323 Mar 24, 2012
Go Blue wrote:
<quoted text> C'mon, he was on his deathbed and GW scared the crap outta him, literally....lol....
Christopher Buckley, his son, endorsed Obama and he is very much alive and with us.
Go Blue

West Palm Beach, FL

#324 Mar 24, 2012
Anne wrote:
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Christopher Buckley, his son, endorsed Obama and he is very much alive and with us.
Are you stupid?...look at the f*cking post....
Anne

Washington, DC

#325 Mar 24, 2012
Go Blue wrote:
<quoted text>Are you stupid?...look at the f*cking post....
I saw the post, and I know for a fact that Chris Buckley did indeed endorse the president. William Buckley died on Wednesday, February 27, 2008, so are you saying he endorsed Barack Obama even before Obama became the Democratic nominee?

“Sustainability Now!”

Since: May 08

Vadnais Heights

#326 Mar 24, 2012
Eric Gustafson wrote:
The Conservatives did this to themselves once they accepted the unacceptable in 1964. What we are witnessing is the apparent division between the Fiscal Conservatives and the Social Conservatives. A war that has been brewing some 50 years when the State's Rights Democrats allied themselves with the Fiscal Conservatives.
When you lie down with dogs you are subject to get up with fleas.
<quoted text>
That is one interpretation of the Republican history, just as valid as mine.

My take is that when the "pro-lifers" abandoned the Democratic Party in 1979 and joined up with Republicans -- THAT was the beginning of the end for that Party as we knew it. It took time, but the social conservatives worked hard, and slowly displaced the traditional "country club" elders who ran the Party. Those elders rightly saw politics as the "art of the possible," and worked with Democrats when necessary to pass legislation. Both Parties were far less monolithic than today.

Now, the "newbies" have taken over the entire organization, resulting in a religion-induced moral fervor that makes compromise and deal-making impossible. When Republicans cast themselves as "doing God's Work," and Democrats as immoral heathen prostrate to Satan -- well, good luck with governing a diverse nation. The "new" Republican Party is less interested in governing, than in indulging in self-righteous, holier-than-thou posturing on domestic issues, and an arrogant xenophobic unilateral foreign policy. So much for the Party of "grownups!"

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Since: May 08

Vadnais Heights

#327 Mar 24, 2012
2012 REPUBLICAN PLATFORM

CORPORATIONS ARE PEOPLE

WOMEN WHO USE BIRTH CONTROL ARE SLUTS

COLLEGE STUDENTS ARE SNOBS

GAY AMERICANS ARE AN ABOMINATION

POOR PEOPLE DESERVE TO BE POOR

UNION WORKERS ARE SOCIALIST THUGS

THE UNEMPLOYED ARE LAZY PARASITES

LATINOS ARE ILLEGAL UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE

THE BIBLE TRUMPS THE CONSTITUTION

GLOBAL WARMING IS A HOAX

THE US AUTO INDUSTRY SHOULD GO BANKRUPT

THE US PRESIDENT IS A MUSLIM AGENT FROM KENYA

VOTE REPUBLICAN 2012

Courtesy of "We survived Bush. You will survive Obama"
Teach

United States

#328 Mar 24, 2012
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>I read in yesterday's LA Times that the repubs are having trouble for there are so many splinter groups of conservatives. None of them get alone and it is hurting their chances. Many, despite being conservative, don't like the teabaggers. many are not so religious, but still must hop on board the fundie train. It is causing tremendous pressure and wasting time and effort.
The republicans of yore, Eisenhower, Goldwater, Nixon, any others I can recall in my life, would probably not even win today. I have read that even Reagan, though viewed through soft focus rosy glasses, would probably NOT be conservative enough for today's insatiable conservatives.
You read about the Repubs in the L.A. Times, one of the most liberal-leaning papers in the country, and you think you're quoting an honest or accurate assessment?

JFK would be considered a Republican today, never mind Reagan. Both parties and the citizens of this country have all moved to what is typically referred to as the left.

The TEA Party is not a cohesive movement, so it cracks me up that people keep opining and writing about it as though it was. Nor is it a single party movement...there are a lot of Independents and Democrats that identify with the TEA Party. Here in Ct., there are a lot of Libertarians in the local TEA Party organizations...and there's a lot if bickering between the different groups, exactly because it isn't a single, cohesive movement.

The Repubs are no different than the Democrats, as in they come with a wide variety of social or fiscal beliefs. Yet they all get painted with the same brush. Just read some of the posts above.

It's like saying all Democrats are Liberals. Or feminists. Or pro-choice. They're not.

This is so small minded and divisive, but more importantly, it's inaccurate. And serves no purpose whatsoever.
the rest of us

Saint Paul, MN

#329 Mar 24, 2012
Anne wrote:
<quoted text>
I just love the way your posts and mine are judged negatively. It's because there are folks who are either in blind denial of certain realities they want to deny the existence,,,,,,
Good lord, does it ever dawn on you that maybe your constant leftwing ideology is not agreed with and that's why you get negative judging? And another tip don't use the pathetic moron madaman as any type of guide he's extremely deluded and arrogant. And his next move will be getting you to contact him offline.
Anne

Washington, DC

#330 Mar 25, 2012
the rest of us wrote:
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Good lord, does it ever dawn on you that maybe your constant leftwing ideology is not agreed with and that's why you get negative judging? And another tip don't use the pathetic moron madaman as any type of guide he's extremely deluded and arrogant. And his next move will be getting you to contact him offline.
Frankly, I don't care if you or anyone else judges my posts as negative, as long as I'm telling the truth. I'm quite sure Madaman feels the same way. Everything I have said about the assaults on women's productive rights in the states I have named is true, and I'm not about to take any of it back in order to get judged positively. The FACT of the matter is that by trying to use women's reproductive rights as a political football, the Republican party has played right into the hands of "leftwing" folks. As quiet as it may be kept, there are "rightwingers" who agree.

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