House passes historic Health Care Ref...

House passes historic Health Care Reform Legislation - Includes American Samoa

There are 5 comments on the Samoa News story from Nov 10, 2009, titled House passes historic Health Care Reform Legislation - Includes American Samoa. In it, Samoa News reports that:

November 7, 2009 - Congressman Faleomavaega has announced that the House passed H.R. 3962, the Affordable Health Care for America Act, by a vote of 220 to 215.

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Pearl City, HI

#1 Nov 11, 2009
This is a statement made by the majority leader of the senate in early November:

"Apart from my decision to include a public option from which states may opt out, no final decisions have been made -- and none can be made until we get more information about how CBO would score different combinations."

This is all in quotes from Harry Reid's response letter. "No final decisions have been made. There is no bill to release publicly. It does not exist."

There is no bill in the Senate, the Baucus bill was not a bill. It was a draft and it had phony numbers in it. It got scored by the CBO a certain way, didn't have the public option. That's how Olympia Snowe was brought on board, Dingy Harry getting heat from the left: we're going to have a public option with a state opt-out. I think we're being hosed. I don't think they're anywhere near where they want to be on this, but they want us to think it's imminent.

As I understand it, the House bill will then be merged to the Senate's bill for final language and approval.

However, as reported: "Yesterday Senator Reid's office reported that the Majority Leader and the Connecticut Senator reached a secret deal where the Senator will not vote for a filibuster but will continue to vote against the bill in the final roll call: But sources said Reidís staff is telling liberal interest groups that Lieberman (Conn.) has assured Reid he will vote with Democrats in the necessary procedural vote to end debate, perhaps with intentions to change the bill.

Lieberman spokesman Marshall Wittmann vehemently denied reports of a clandestine understanding between the two lawmakers, telling Fox News,'If you believe this story is true, you will also believe that I am replacing A-Rod in game six of the series.'" So Harry Reid is just lying about it.

Bottom line here folks, this House bill may sound inviting to American Samoa, but in reality, it's another smoke screen by Liberal Democrats for bigger government, and to be in total control of our FREEDOM.

I fully support a Health Care Reform Bill, but not to include a public option, funding for abortions, funding for illegal immigrants, managerís amendment for new provisions targeted to specific members of Congress in order to get their support on behalf of some special interest group, and what ever pork that's gonna be added on the 11th hour without approval.

For example: Pelosi Bill Slips in $6 Billion Slush Fund and finally, the Secretary will be required to tell the respective committees of Congress which facilities received the money, but is not obligated to tell anyone else.

After all said and done, wheeling and dealing goes on and on. Depending on how high the representative sits on the totem pole, is how much his/her state benefits.


Pearl City, HI

#2 Nov 11, 2009

It's total fraud. Sixty-five thousand construction jobs were lost in the last reporting period that gave us the 10.2% unemployment. So the economy is what it is. It's not getting worse, and it's being caused by bloated government. All the stimulus, all the TARP, all the expansion of entitlements, all of the extended unemployment benefits.

Editorial in the Wall Street Journal. Some big ranking Democrat went somewhere and let the cat out of the bag of the purpose of health care: Redistribution. The purpose of health care is not to get people insured, not to get them health care. This is the Democrat Incumbency Forever Act.

It is to create so much transference of wealth. It is to create so much dependence on the middle class on government that Democrats will never lose power.

That's the objective here, to make so many of you dependent on your very existence for government subsidies, handouts, and checks that you think only the Democrat Party will provide those for you; that everybody knows, "The Republicans, if they ever get in power, are going to cut that back." So this is the long-term goal.

Pearl City, HI

#3 Nov 11, 2009

And read the column below to understand the full stakes:


The nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation reported that the House version of the healthcare bill specifies that those who don't buy health insurance and do not pay the fine of about 2.5 percent of their income for failing to do so can face a penalty of up to five years in prison!

The bill describes the penalties as follows:

* Section 7203 ó Misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

* Section 7201 ó Felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years." [page 3]

That anyone should face prison for not buying health insurance is simply incredible.

And how much will the stay-out-of-jail insurance cost? The joint committee noted that "according to a recent analysis by the Congressional Budget Office, the lowest-cost family non-group plan under HR 3862 (the Pelosi bill) would cost $15,000 by 2016."

Obama's bill provides only subsidies to help pay this enormous sum after families making about $45,000 have paid 8 percent of their income for insurance and after those earning a household income of about $65,000 have kicked in 12 percent.

The Joint Committee on Taxation noted that, although the Senate Finance Committee version of the bill did not include criminal penalties, "The House Democrats' bill, however, contains no similar language protecting American citizens from civil and criminal tax penalties that could include a $250,000 fine and five years in jail."

Remember that simply buying catastrophic insurance, which may be all the young uninsured family needs, does not constitute having adequate insurance under the Obama bill. It has to be total, all inclusive insurance for one to avoid the penalties in the legislation. That is because Obama wants to use these premiums from the currently uninsured to subsidize his program.

So Pelosi is requiring Americans to pay these steep premiums, or a fine of 2.5 percent of their income for not doing so, or, potentially, go to prison!

Anyone who is familiar with the U.S. prison system can attest to the large number of people incarcerated for similar white collar offenses. That the House bill would treat failure to carry health insurance or pay the fine as tax evasion or willful nonpayment is amazing!

And where is the constitutional basis for requiring everyone to buy insurance? It is OK for a state to make drivers pay for automobile insurance. Driving is not a right, it is a privilege, and the state may regulate it by demanding insurance. Banks can require homeowners to buy insurance as a condition of their lending. But how does the federal government get the right to require a family to buy health insurance or face a civil penalty and, failing that, to face either a criminal fine or jail?

The tough penalties in the House bill are designed to keep insurance companies from opposing the bill. It was the relaxation of these penalties in the Senate Finance Committee version of the legislation that led the companies to reverse field and come out in opposition to the legislation. The insurance companies want to see their coffers swell when tens of millions of new customers are required to buy insurance. The more draconian the penalties for failing to pay them large sums of money to pad their bottom lines, the better.

The more you read this bill, the worse it gets.

Since: Nov 09

American Samoa

#4 Nov 11, 2009
I believe in the liberal philosophy and I don't like this bill.

Just because those two clowns (Obama and Pelosi) say they are democrats doesn't mean that they believe in the meaning of liberalism.
This bill is exactly the opposite of liberalism. It takes away personal freedom. It doesn't improve anything.
I knew I was right about Obama. Back when everyone was shouting joy to the world when Obama won, I was saying "Oh sht...." I can usually tell when someone was full of himself. Obama just didn't seem geniune.
But anyway, yea don't put us all in the same bucket. This bill is dangerous and we need some strong opposition to this from both sides (liberals and conservatives).
Just take a look at this bill. Liberals believe in social reform and this bill is the exact opposite of that. This bill fails all the way around. I hope we get strong enough opposition to this.


Throw him a bone with a million dollar check in it and he'll burn Samoa's economy for you.

He was the one who supported the minimum wage hike and I think also worked for it to be passed for A.Samoa.

He then blames the republicans. He's no better than a trained hound and his master is Pelosi.

Also, don't separate republicans and liberals who are politicians. Politicians are all of the same breed.(except John F. Kennedy). I won't be surprised if all of them are being paid from the same sources pulling both their strings.

Pearl City, HI

#5 Nov 14, 2009

Here are the major differences between our beliefs, ideals and policies:

CONSERVATIVES - believe in personal responsibility, limited government, free markets, individual liberty, traditional American values and a strong national defense. Believe the role of government should be to provide people the freedom necessary to pursue their own goals.

Conservative policies generally emphasize empowerment of the individual to solve problems.

LIBERALS - believe in governmental action to achieve equal opportunity and equality for all, and that it is the duty of the State to alleviate social ills and to protect civil liberties and individual and human rights. Believe the role of the government should be to guarantee that no one is in need. Believe that people are basically good.

Liberal policies generally emphasize the need for the government to solve people's problems.

As for Congressman Faleomavaega, I know him personally and a great friend. He's been great for Am. Samoa, and he will fight tooth and nail for pieces of the pie for ASG and her people.

Whatever his weaknesses, I'll leave that to the people to decide.

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