A super menace?

A super menace?

There are 13 comments on the Baltimore Sun story from Feb 14, 2008, titled A super menace?. In it, Baltimore Sun reports that:

But for all the hoopla and ballots cast in Maryland and elsewhere, the Democrats' presidential nominee could well be chosen by a group of political insiders in a closed-door room at the national convention this ...

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Richard G

United States

#1 Feb 14, 2008
It's a pipedream. They will never do it.
brstevens

Baltimore, MD

#2 Feb 14, 2008
I agree with Richard G that the superdelegates will ultimately go with whomever the frontrunner is at convention time, but it would be fantastic if Obama was obviously the peoples' choice and Hillary still backed into the nomination. It would show that democrats are every bit the lying, cheating, scheming weasels the republicans supposedly are for "stealing" the 2000 election, and I'd love to see the fallout.

As long as I had a big bucket of popcorn to munch on while it all went down. That would be the greatest show on earth.

I wouldn't totally put it past Hillary either.
Hollie

Silver Spring, MD

#3 Feb 14, 2008
Unfortunately, it is not possible that either candidate will go to the convention with enough pledged delegates to win the nomination. Even if Clinton or Obama were to win every single primary from here on out (unlikely) with margins of victory over 60% in every race, it would not add up to enough delegates to win the nomination. So the superdelegates WILL determine the nominee. And regardless of whom they choose, the losing candidate will cry foul. The superdelegates know this and will want to minimize intraparty acrimony--they do want more than anything to win in November, after all. That's why we're almost surely looking at a Clinton-Obama ticket. Regardless of how Hillary feels personally about Barack, and regardless of her own political instincts, the superdelegates may force her to take Obama as her running mate. The arrangement that will give her the nomination MUST look to the average voter like a reasonable compromise, and not like a corrupt backroom deal among insiders.
brstevens

Baltimore, MD

#4 Feb 14, 2008
Hollie wrote:
Unfortunately, it is not possible that either candidate will go to the convention with enough pledged delegates to win the nomination. Even if Clinton or Obama were to win every single primary from here on out (unlikely) with margins of victory over 60% in every race, it would not add up to enough delegates to win the nomination. So the superdelegates WILL determine the nominee. And regardless of whom they choose, the losing candidate will cry foul. The superdelegates know this and will want to minimize intraparty acrimony--they do want more than anything to win in November, after all. That's why we're almost surely looking at a Clinton-Obama ticket. Regardless of how Hillary feels personally about Barack, and regardless of her own political instincts, the superdelegates may force her to take Obama as her running mate. The arrangement that will give her the nomination MUST look to the average voter like a reasonable compromise, and not like a corrupt backroom deal among insiders.
But what happens if Obama still has a slight delegate lead going into the convention? How can the superdelegates justify nominating Hillary for president and Obama for VP and not the other way around then? And considering Hillary apparently has more superdelegates on her side there could be some serious drama come convention time, regardless of how badly democrats as a whole want the White House in Nov.
Dave

Hyattsville, MD

#6 Feb 14, 2008
Well, Democratic voters .... see what your party is doing for you? Stand in line (in bad weather)cast your vote and choose the person who receives the most votes, right? Naw, in Maryland your Democratic candidate will be who some very honest and respectully politicians that will decide what is best for you. Now, children you listen to Mikulski, O'Malley and Ruppersberger .... they know what is best for you. And, of course you shouldn't worry because these politicans are dishonest, corrupt, and immoral. Well, all I can say to you is this .......... you voted for them, now enjoy your selection.
Broke Taxpayer

United States

#7 Feb 14, 2008
Voltaire,

You ask too many questions. Just accept that he is charismatic, looks good, is a dynamic speaker and is the media's annointed one.

Otherwise, we'll have to label you as someone who actually has a mind of your own with the ability to weed through the hype and love affair the media has shoved down our throats.

Nevermind that all of his proposed changes have no substance behind them. Doesn't matter. I wonder how he looks in a muscle tee shirt?
flyingcow

United States

#8 Feb 14, 2008
If you like
black-run PG County
and Baltimore City,
you will LOOOOVE,
simply LOOOOVE,
a black-run
USA
(w/a black-run
Maryland coming soon)...
jay

United States

#9 Feb 14, 2008
Here in Maryland we are all literally broke taxpayers!
Thanks MOM!
Gee considering how well the white guy Bush has done could anyone else of any color do as badly as he has?
Let's keep racism out of it
this is the 21st century!
Disenfranchised

Morrisville, PA

#10 Feb 14, 2008
Maryland delegates that side with Clinton after 60% of Marylanders voted for Obama should be voted out. The state of Maryland has spoken & the prospect of these "delegates" taking a "we know best" attitude should be grounds for impeachment. They have been "delegated" to follow the wishes of their constitiuents. Despite what they believe, they are not our lords & masters. They work for us. Let's all remember that.
Disenfranchised

Morrisville, PA

#11 Feb 14, 2008
Please do not take that as an endorsement of Obama from me personally - Just a commentary on delegates not following their constituents' lead. Felt I should clarify.
Buschman

Elkridge, MD

#12 Feb 14, 2008
"...the Democrats' presidential nominee could well be chosen by a group of political insiders in a closed-door room at the national convention this summer..."

Sort of like...

Maryland citizens could see their taxes raised by a group of political insiders in a closed-door room during a special session this fall.

Or...

Maryland electric customers could see their rates nearly doubled by a group of political insiders in a closed-door meeting of the O'Malley PSC this summer.

Why is the Sun surprised that "closed-door political insiders" and "democrats" go hand-in-hand?
Norm

Cartersville, GA

#14 Feb 15, 2008
Theres nothing super about super delegates.
Douger

United States

#15 Feb 15, 2008
"I'd love to see the fallout."
I'm not sure I would. I don't think blacks would take that sitting down. I'd suspect what happened in Baltimore after the MLK assassination would seem like a block party.
"That's why we're almost surely looking at a Clinton-Obama ticket."
I'm not buying it. Clinton won't play second fiddle to anyone, and relegating Obama to second string would only marginally be better than denying him altogether.
"Maryland delegates that side with Clinton after 60% of Marylanders voted for Obama should be voted out."
That might be easier to do if blacks feel like they've gotten the shaft in Denver. The Democrats most reliable voting bloc just might abandon them.
Doesn't make it easier with black "leadership" pulling in two different directions. Julian Bond calls for the seating of Florida and Michigan delegates, which benefits Hillary. Al $harpton says they should be denied, which of course, favors Obama.
"...the Democrats' presidential nominee could well be chosen by a group of political insiders in a closed-door room at the national convention this summer..."
Which to blacks will seem like old white people controlling their fate.
Stay tuned...

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