Keeping our distance

Despite bitter objections that it didn't go nearly far enough, the House voted Tuesday to allow oil and gas drilling closer to the nation's shores, except along Florida's west coast. Full Story
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otownnole

Orlando, FL

#103 Sep 17, 2008
No matter what you think of Republicans, it is clear that Congress is not doing anything to help the American people for the sole purpose of being able to blame Bush for everything. Every commercial claims McCain is a another 4 years of Bush and the obamatrons call him McBush or McSame. They don't want anything but gloom and doom so that we support the change Obama is pushing.

How many of you have a car you can plug in?
How many of you have a car you that runs on natural gas?
How many of you have a car you that runs on coal?
How many of you have a car you that runs off of its built in solar panels?
How many of you have a car you that runs on a hydrogen fuel cell?
How many of you buy products delivered by trucks that run on any of the above?
How many of you have put down deposits for cars powered by anything other than gas that are coming out in the next 5 years?

How many of you could afford one of these vehicles even if one was available to buy?

Alternative fuels is the future. How far ahead the future is open for debate, but you cannot debate the fact that a gas powered car is taking you home from work today.

It is clear that the only purpose of this bill is to act as if the democratic controlled congress is doing something. Why aren't they helping us? This article even states that "Barack Obama reluctantly said he could accept a limited expansion of drilling if it was accompanied by conservation measures and development of alternative fuels." DEVELOPMENT???????? WTF????

Oil runs our economy and Obama even admits alternative fuels need development. So why isn't Congress trying help out its citizens? Obama has already tried to manipulate troop withdrawals from Iraq because Americans do not support the war. He needs all things about this war to be bad. Bad war, bad for Bush, good for Obama. High gas prices, bad for Bush the oil man, good for Obama. Seems to me what is bad for Americans is good for Obama.

Pelosi should be tried criminally in court. She has a financial interest in oil drilling debate.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/127...

http://samuelatgilgal.wordpress.com/2008/08/1...
otownnole

Orlando, FL

#104 Sep 17, 2008
self interest wrote:
This has Pelosi written all over it. If the state of Florida wants to drill, it should be able to drill where it wants AND the state should receive the revenue.
Pelosi and her gang are by passing the state and taking the revenue.
Florida is in dire straits. Inflation growing here, home sales non existent, high property taxes and a do-nothing legislature, that can't get its act together to relieve its citizens of taxes.
No wonder the people are leaving the state.
If there was some revenue coming in from the drilling, that would help.
Forget Pelosi, money that could be generated off the Florida cost would go elsewhere due to this bill.
Out with Pelosi. A do-nothing who makes us all suffer. She has no regard for the public, just for herself.
Put this out as an amendment and fight to keep the revenue that would be generated.
That's how this congress is. Stealing from the state.
Is this the same Pelosi??

http://samuelatgilgal.wordpress.com/2008/08/1...

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/127...
otownnole

Orlando, FL

#105 Sep 17, 2008
Tim wrote:
"Drilling advocates say Floridians need not worry about environmental damage."
Didn't the oil industry make a similar promise to the residents of Prince William Sound?
Those residents then suffered through nearly 20 years of appeals and delayed justice to receive a mere pittance from Exxon-Mobile for the Valdez spill.
Rule number #1, Never trust the Oil & gas industry.
Valdez was a super tanker. You do realize that those are passing by Florida on a daily basis right now?

What powers they car you drive?
otownnole

Orlando, FL

#106 Sep 17, 2008
Joe wrote:
It doesn't matter if they find 10 trillion barrels of oil anywhere within the US. The price of oil and gas will not go down. Oil pricing is set by the WORLD market. Not the United States. However, it will make teh oil companies and the politicians they own very rich. It will do NOTHING for anybody else.
Is the WORLD MARKET not subject to the laws of supply and demand?
TRUTH

Greenville, SC

#107 Sep 17, 2008
Dino Pontino wrote:
So, let me get this straight? Floridians, except for myself, believe that drilling in the Gulf will lower gas prices? Why? I highly doubt the correlation. This country needs to suck it up and ween itself off of Oil, sorry. Stop listening to Rushbo spew his lies. This isn't a right vs. left thing, just common sense. Oil isn't the future, the future is now, leave the gulf alone.
The Right-Wing Offshore Drilling Scam
Don’t be fooled, amigos. All this talk about offshore oil drilling and the price of gas and the pump is a bunch of BS.

The oil and gas industry, buoyed by their Right-Wing minions are on a coordinated and well-thought out mission to end the twenty-six year old moratorium on off-shore oil and gas drilling. The goal? To at once embarrass Barack Obama, take down the Congressional Democrats, increase corporate profit and further drive up the price of energy.

First of all, there is no “ban”.

"Ban" is just more GOPer-speak. In reality, there is a moratorium on drilling in certain coastal areas. Other areas are not only open to drilling but leases and drilling permits have already been issued.

And they are not being drilled.

In fact, only 17% of the leased areas is in production. So, with about 33 million acres of offshore areas already available to drill and not being drilled, why does the oil and gas industry need to have access to still more? The fact is that nearly 25 BILLION barrels of oil off the coast of the United States is currently available for drilling…and industry is not drilling it.

Not to mention natural gas. Most of the natural gas occurring offshore (over 328 TRILLION cubic feet – an eleven year supply at current consumption rates) is currently available for leasing and development.

And they’re not going after it.

This is the story throughout the country, more than 44 million acres of onshore public lands are leased for oil and gas development and yet most of it is not being drilled. All tolled (onshore and offshore), 68 million acres are leased and sitting idle. Over 10,000 permits are currently 'stockpiled' by industry. But still they want more.

Between 1999 and 2007, the number of drilling permits issued for
development of public lands increased by more than 361%. And did you see your gasoline costs drop? How about your electricity costs? Propane? natural gas? Uh...no. There is absolutely no correlation between the industrialization of public lands and the price of fossil fuels.

It has been estimated that if all of those currently inactive leases were drilled, the USA would produce an additional 4.8 million barrels of oil and 44.7 billion cubic feet of natural gas EVERY DAY, accounting for a doubling of US oil production and a 75% increase in US natural gas production. The Minerals Management Service tells us that about 80% of fossil fuels available in offshore are currently available for development.

What's going on here is yet another cynical attempt by the GOP and the oil and gas robber barons to increase and assure huge industry profits at the expense of the American people. These companies don’t want to drill these areas. They want to hold them as assests to limit the amount of oil and gas on the market so that prices rise still further - and they make more money. They want to hold on to these areas so that they can drill them ten or fifteen years from now and make an even bigger fortune.
otownnole

Orlando, FL

#108 Sep 17, 2008
Maisey wrote:
<quoted text>
People are leaving the state because the cost of homes and property are artificially high. This will come down and then revenue will return to the state. Do you honestly believe that any money from drilling will come to the state? Dream on. It will get sold to other markets IF they even find oil down there.
A multi billion dollar industry that makes so much money the democrats created a new buzz word "windfall profits" and they are so smart and powerful that they have manipulated the world market to make billions of dollars are going to spend billions to drill and hope they find oil????????
doug

Longwood, FL

#109 Sep 17, 2008
otownnole wrote:
No matter what you think of Republicans, it is clear that Congress is not doing anything to help the American people for the sole purpose of being able to blame Bush for everything. Every commercial claims McCain is a another 4 years of Bush and the obamatrons call him McBush or McSame. They don't want anything but gloom and doom so that we support the change Obama is pushing.
How many of you have a car you can plug in?
How many of you have a car you that runs on natural gas?
How many of you have a car you that runs on coal?
How many of you have a car you that runs off of its built in solar panels?
How many of you have a car you that runs on a hydrogen fuel cell?
How many of you buy products delivered by trucks that run on any of the above?
How many of you have put down deposits for cars powered by anything other than gas that are coming out in the next 5 years?
How many of you could afford one of these vehicles even if one was available to buy?
Alternative fuels is the future. How far ahead the future is open for debate, but you cannot debate the fact that a gas powered car is taking you home from work today.
It is clear that the only purpose of this bill is to act as if the democratic controlled congress is doing something. Why aren't they helping us? This article even states that "Barack Obama reluctantly said he could accept a limited expansion of drilling if it was accompanied by conservation measures and development of alternative fuels." DEVELOPMENT???????? WTF????
Oil runs our economy and Obama even admits alternative fuels need development. So why isn't Congress trying help out its citizens? Obama has already tried to manipulate troop withdrawals from Iraq because Americans do not support the war. He needs all things about this war to be bad. Bad war, bad for Bush, good for Obama. High gas prices, bad for Bush the oil man, good for Obama. Seems to me what is bad for Americans is good for Obama.
Pelosi should be tried criminally in court. She has a financial interest in oil drilling debate.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/127...
http://samuelatgilgal.wordpress.com/2008/08/1...
otown seen the latest polls Obama 47% mcsame 45% and falling i guess lies dont make for a good campaign . Congress has tried to pass energy bills but seems you republican block them unless they get there way there way being whatever the oil companys want. Drilling wont make gas any cheaper Opec will see to that since they have the vast majority of the oil i am not saying we dont need oil , but all we are doing is giving the oil companys what they want . I want to see alternatives that are cheaper than oil and waiting is not a option. Big oil does not have the best intentions for us as Americans we have to remember that they are why alternatives have not been pushed they want to keep us addicted to oil to the bitter end.
doug

Longwood, FL

#110 Sep 17, 2008
otownnole wrote:
<quoted text>
Is the WORLD MARKET not subject to the laws of supply and demand?
sure but Opec controls almost all the supply we pump more from offshore they simply pump less in other words they control the market and the price in the end .
dan daniel

Apopka, FL

#111 Sep 17, 2008
An air-craft carrier is at sea right now, operating with nearly 5000 people and massive equipment. It is nuclear powered, using a very small space and operating in total safety. It is stated that this ship could, if necessary, furnish electrical powere needs for a city of many thousands of people and their business and industry needs as well. Build nuclear units such as this while we are drilling for fossil fuels and eventually tell OPEC to shove it.
doug

Longwood, FL

#112 Sep 17, 2008
dan daniel wrote:
An air-craft carrier is at sea right now, operating with nearly 5000 people and massive equipment. It is nuclear powered, using a very small space and operating in total safety. It is stated that this ship could, if necessary, furnish electrical powere needs for a city of many thousands of people and their business and industry needs as well. Build nuclear units such as this while we are drilling for fossil fuels and eventually tell OPEC to shove it.
nuclear is good but we need all the options wind, solar,more coal, natural gas if we use everything we have we can do it. No one option will get us there all new homes should have solar roofing. where wind is available it needs to be harnessed . The only bad thing about nuclear is the waste no one wants it in there back yard but if we use all the alternative the waste will be minimal. Drilling is fine as long as we understand it wont bring down fuel costs it just a bridge to get where we need to be in 20 years.
otownnole

Orlando, FL

#113 Sep 17, 2008
WALT wrote:
By the way, there's tankers all over the world full of oil that there is no demand for right now.
They want to drill within 50 miles because it's cheaper? Have you seen the oil company's profits?
You would be a cold harded closed minded fool to fall for the GOP plan on drilling. Conservation and alternatives is right. They have plenty of room to drill. We are to risk Sanibel, the Keys, Crystal River, etc , so the oil companies can make more profit. Not a chance. Protect our state and nation from even more greed and destruction.
Sure there is oil just sitting out in the ocean.

And who is going to develop these alternative energy sources? Mom and Pop businesses? Nope, big billion dollar corporations. What makes you think they aren't going to hold hydrogen fuel cells in the middle of the ocean? or long lost the design for the electric car? So huge corporations are only going to sc rew us with oil? OK
florida republican

United States

#114 Sep 17, 2008
Drill drill drill who cares about the beaches once we destroy the environment no more european tourists will come and every body knows florida is not a tourist destination
PatG

Pompano Beach, FL

#115 Sep 17, 2008
VoiceofReason wrote:
Did anyone look at where they want to drill according to the article? Isn't that right in the path of hurricanes? Look what happened to gas after Ike because of his so-called affect on the rigs and refineries...drilling would be a waste of time and my tax dollars. We need to come up with a better plan for securing our energy.
What leads you to assume that your tax dollars would be used to drill? The initiative is being undertaken by oil companies to (wait for it) make an obscene profit. Guess what? No discovery, no oil, no profit.
PatG

Pompano Beach, FL

#116 Sep 17, 2008
TRUTH wrote:
<quoted text>The Right-Wing Offshore Drilling Scam
Don’t be fooled, amigos. All this talk about offshore oil drilling and the price of gas and the pump is a bunch of BS.
The oil and gas industry, buoyed by their Right-Wing minions are on a coordinated and well-thought out mission to end the twenty-six year old moratorium on off-shore oil and gas drilling. The goal? To at once embarrass Barack Obama, take down the Congressional Democrats, increase corporate profit and further drive up the price of energy.
First of all, there is no “ban”.
"Ban" is just more GOPer-speak. In reality, there is a moratorium on drilling in certain coastal areas. Other areas are not only open to drilling but leases and drilling permits have already been issued.
And they are not being drilled.
In fact, only 17% of the leased areas is in production. So, with about 33 million acres of offshore areas already available to drill and not being drilled, why does the oil and gas industry need to have access to still more? The fact is that nearly 25 BILLION barrels of oil off the coast of the United States is currently available for drilling…and industry is not drilling it.
Not to mention natural gas. Most of the natural gas occurring offshore (over 328 TRILLION cubic feet – an eleven year supply at current consumption rates) is currently available for leasing and development.
And they’re not going after it.
This is the story throughout the country, more than 44 million acres of onshore public lands are leased for oil and gas development and yet most of it is not being drilled. All tolled (onshore and offshore), 68 million acres are leased and sitting idle. Over 10,000 permits are currently 'stockpiled' by industry. But still they want more.
Between 1999 and 2007, the number of drilling permits issued for
development of public lands increased by more than 361%. And did you see your gasoline costs drop? How about your electricity costs? Propane? natural gas? Uh...no. There is absolutely no correlation between the industrialization of public lands and the price of fossil fuels.
It has been estimated that if all of those currently inactive leases were drilled, the USA would produce an additional 4.8 million barrels of oil and 44.7 billion cubic feet of natural gas EVERY DAY, accounting for a doubling of US oil production and a 75% increase in US natural gas production. The Minerals Management Service tells us that about 80% of fossil fuels available in offshore are currently available for development.
What's going on here is yet another cynical attempt by the GOP and the oil and gas robber barons to increase and assure huge industry profits at the expense of the American people. These companies don’t want to drill these areas. They want to hold them as assests to limit the amount of oil and gas on the market so that prices rise still further - and they make more money. They want to hold on to these areas so that they can drill them ten or fifteen years from now and make an even bigger fortune.
What a stupid premise...I would rather forego making a profit now and thereby increasing my companies stock price which in turn secures my job and increases my income all in the hopes that in 10-15 years I will make an obscene profit.

What a dope!
Bubbas Buddy

Osteen, FL

#117 Sep 17, 2008
I say let'em drill within 5 miles of the East Coast and run the pipeline up on the beach in Indiatlanic and put in a gas station!
Wow

Miami, FL

#118 Sep 17, 2008
Wow. We have a long way to go in this country to get things right.

The drilling offshore is safe and relatively clean, and provides jobs. The new technologies, as long as they're affordable, can create new jobs here in the US, too. So both sides are right, in a way. I'm sure they can figure out what to do with the American Oil Companies...to be fair to us, and let them successfully compete in the world as well.

These high energy prices are squeezing the little hope the poor have to get ahead. I mean, there are only so many jobs the human body can take. I think 2 or 3 are the limit.

I believe it wasn't the poor that was flipping houses, or speculating with oil. Yet, they're the ones most affected.

I know we're all feeling this, but we need to get a little more ticked off (enough to write and call) at what's going on in Washington with BOTH parties.

I can't believe people some people are turning the other way and ignoring this. Please don't just write here, call and write to BOTH parties in Washington.

AND I am a Republican ... the God loving, God fearing kind.
Just Wondering

United States

#119 Sep 17, 2008
just think of the beautiful beach side resort of Galveston ... with it's brown sand and murky water ... not really polluted, just dirty from all the crap that the drills stir up ... oh yeah South Beach and Ft Lauderdale tourism will just skyrocket. I'm sure Hawaii would want drilling of their coast too ... who wants clear blue oceans anyway?

Get a brain you right wing wackos.
Borat

Longwood, FL

#120 Sep 17, 2008
minor threat wrote:
After the failed economic vision of the Republicans who admit they can't govern and government doesnt work, government cheese looks pretty good to some. Trickle down? They're supposed to get excited about getting peed on?
Funny how nothing made it to the bottom. 20 of 28 years of Republicans in the White House since 1980 and here we are. <quoted text>
Q: Who does the Federal Reserve Report to?

A: our US Congress.

Federal Reserve Mission:

The Federal Reserve System is the central bank of the United States. It was founded by Congress in 1913 to provide the nation with a safer, more flexible, and more stable monetary and financial system. Over the years, its role in banking and the economy has expanded.

Today, the Federal Reserve's duties fall into four general areas:

1: conducting the nation's monetary policy by influencing the monetary and credit conditions in the economy in pursuit of maximum employment, stable prices, and moderate long-term interest rates

2: supervising and regulating banking institutions to ensure the safety and soundness of the nation's banking and financial system and to protect the credit rights of consumers

3: maintaining the stability of the financial system and containing systemic risk that may arise in financial markets

4: providing financial services to depository institutions, the U.S. government, and foreign official institutions, including playing a major role in operating the nation's payments system

http://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/mis...

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