Many face scrutiny in Foley e-mail probe

Many face scrutiny in Foley e-mail probe

There are 51 comments on the Savannah Morning News story from Oct 7, 2006, titled Many face scrutiny in Foley e-mail probe. In it, Savannah Morning News reports that:

Rep. Mark Foley, R-Fla. calls a new anti-child pornography bill "a pedophile's worst nightmare," as he join Attorney General John Ashcroft, left, at the Department of Justice in Washington in this May 1, 2002, ...

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pinky doodle

Bronx, NY

#2 Oct 7, 2006
whoops time to dig Starr out of the mothballs and old pizza boxes
Crusher

United States

#3 Oct 7, 2006
And how much jail time will come out of this scrutiny? Two minutes? One minute? Zero minutes?
Joe Erwin

Schuylkill Haven, PA

#4 Oct 7, 2006
What's the deal with Bill Shuster (R - 9th PA)?

He spend a million dollars on each election campaign, whether there is any competition or not.

Where does the money come from?

Where does it go?

What does it buy?

And he rufuses to debate his challenger, Tony Barr, claiming he doesn't want to give Tony free publicity.

Give me a break....

I expect he is as corrupt as was his father before him. Bud got his son appointed to his seat when he had to resign over scandalous behavior. The nut doesn't fall far from the tree....
PBL

AOL

#5 Oct 7, 2006
Even if, one person lied and were caught, in America
80 percent of victims will never go forward. Of those one in four chlldren will be raped or molested before they turn 18. Of those, they will be revictimized again, if they are a child, before they turn 18 by a percentage rate of up to 70%. Almost 100% of them will develope Post Traumatic Stress Disorder wich can actually and will kill in the end. Almost all of children, or victims of CSA, child sexual assault, will become addicts to cope. Drinking, drugs, or some other form of escape. No, they do not have a huge history of becoming assaulters themselves. They have a high suicide rate however. They have high rates of marrying excessive abusers. That comes about because PTSD in children creates detachment disorders. Detachment lets them not feel the pain of assault.It also stops them from feeling the dangers near them as you and I do. Pedophiles and abusers zero in on this and they are often victims over and over.
That means one fourth of our children in America are in great silent pain that will likely kill them in the end. That effect family members, their children and society. The majority of our taxes go to paying for some form of silent treatment for these children.
In america, it costs almost $600 per household in taxes to treat CSA victims in some manner.

In 1996 it cost America, 127 BILLION dollars to treat CSA victims overall. Katrina, that killed so many, cost less. I suspect the price ten years later may have doubled.

Parents they found can not stop a csa child from being revictimized over and over. Predators depend on the silence in America and families to remain silent. They depend on society screaming foul when one child is caught fabricating. By the time one is found and studied and set up as an example that all children fabricate they likely have gotten a hundred while no one is looking. And it makes those that would have come forward, hide again because they chance being ridiculed also.

They are stigmatized, shamed, ridiculed.

A man that likes boys, will have an estimated 150 victims in his lifetime. Girls will average 80 or more. By one single predator.

Most predators tend to idealize the act to accept what they do. It becomes almost a holy act to them. Chilren are a holy entrance into the fabrications of their minds. It is in many cases an obsessive compulsive disorder so no stopping them is almost impossible. The children represent a spiritual purity that they themselves can not obtain, so they drain the innocense of the childrn much like a vampire worshiper must drain blood of a victim. It is not an act of love, it is a hidden act of violance against society itself. Pedaphiles are fully aware of the damage acts do against the community as a whole. It is an act of power so great and so hidden and the more we hide it the more power they gain so yes they can and do go to legistlate it as legal in the states and holy and desirable and some consider it 'helping' young children reach a level of spiritual freedoms. Few can admit the astronomical damage done to children because they don't have to. We tell chilren to go hide and remain silent and dont talk or expose because we will silence you if you do.

One child may have lied.

Tell me , who is talking about the 80 percent that did not and will not go forward at all?
PBL

AOL

#6 Oct 7, 2006
Let us do another reality check .
Foley based on statitistics supplied from the Justice department, only had 20% of his victims come forward. The worse the act, the less likely they will come forward.
If you add the costs, the damage,the impacts to social and private lives in America weather or not it is 'legal' to sexually compromise a child by verbal alone, does not and will not, minimize the impact to these children. Scientific data shows the more a child is unwillingly exposed to sexual situtions the more likely they will develope problems in life coping skills. A father figure, note a father figure such as a man in Foley's position, is more likely to cause greater damage.
Children have a set pattern designed to follow for a normal sexual identity growth pattern. When that is interuppted, the pattern is often broken. And the developement is distorted. On a chemcial level, stress and confusion in children under 18, in such situations as Foley imposed, creates actual physical damage in the hypothalmus center of the brain that produces the hormones of normal balance in children developing, whose brains do not develope fully until they are 21.
Scientifically, a 16 year old has five years before the brain has reached the growth of decision. There is a MRI shown pattern of growth in the brain itself of children during those years from about 12 to 21 of a speeded up rush of developement, at times most scientists associate this with sexual identity and sexual normality. Other extensive research on the impact of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, associated with soilders and children of sexual assaults and victimization have proven the brain will actually be damaged physically on MRI scans. There are multiple scans showing the same results. The younger the child the more likey there is actual brain damage. They suspect this could be why the PTSD is so hard to treat and overcome.
Predators, therefor, do not hold a gun to a child's head. They don't have to. The results can be the same.
PBL

AOL

#7 Oct 7, 2006
Lets do some facts instead of ideas here .

Even if, one person lied and were caught, in American
80 percent of victims will never go forward. Of those one in four chlldren will be raped or molested before they turn 18. Of those, they will be revictimized again, if they are a child, before they turn 18 by a percentage rate of up to 70%. Almost 100% of them will develope Post Traumatic Stress Disorder wich can actually and will kill in the end. Almost all of children, or victims of CSA, child sexual assault, will become addicts to cope. Drinking, drugs, or some other form of escape. No, they do not have a huge history of becoming assaulters themselves. They have a high suicide rate however. They have high rates of marrying excessive abusers. That comes about because PTSD in children creates detachment disorders. Detachment lets them not feel the pain of assault.It also stops them from feeling the dangers near them as you and I do. Pedophiles and abusers zero in on this and they are often victims over and over.
That means one fourth of our children in America are in great silent pain that will likely kill them in the end. That effect family members, their children and society. The majority of our taxes go to paying for some form of silent treatment for these children.
In america, it costs almost $600 per household in taxes to treat CSA victims in some manner.

In 1996 it cost America, 127 BILLION dollars to treat CSA victims overall. Katrina, that killed so many, cost less. I suspect the price ten years later may have doubled.

Parents they found can not stop a csa child from being revictimized over and over. Predators depend on the silence in America and families to remain silent. They depend on society screaming foul when one child is caught fabricating. By the time one is found and studied and set up as an example that all children fabricate they likely have gotten a hundred while no one is looking. And it makes those that would have come forward, hide again because they chance being ridiculed also.

They are stigmatized, shamed, ridiculed.

A man that likes boys, will have an estimated 150 victims in his lifetime. Girls will average 80 or more. By one single predator.

Most predators tend to idealize the act to accept what they do. It becomes almost a holy act to them. Chilren are a holy entrance into the fabrications of their minds. It is in many cases an obsessive compulsive disorder so no stopping them is almost impossible. The children represent a spiritual purity that they themselves can not obtain, so they drain the innocense of the childrn much like a vampire worshiper must drain blood of a victim. It is not an act of love, it is a hidden act of violance against society itself. Pedaphiles are fully aware of the damage acts do against the community as a whole. It is an act of power so great and so hidden and the more we hide it the more power they gain so yes they can and do go to legistlate it as legal in the states and holy and desirable and some consider it 'helping' young children reach a level of spiritual freedoms. Few can admit the astronomical damage done to children because they don't have to. We tell chilren to go hide and remain silent and dont talk or expose because we will silence you if you do.

One child may have lied.

Tell me , who is talking about the 80 percent that did not and will not go forward at all?
Old vet wrote:
sheephdog

Russell Springs, KY

#8 Oct 7, 2006
Hey guys, who is this guy stubbs or studds i keep hearing about in 1983, and they got a new investigator named Volker to look into this Foley thing, what do you guys think?
bubba

Palm Springs, CA

#9 Oct 7, 2006
Joe Erwin wrote:
What's the deal with Bill Shuster (R - 9th PA)?
He spend a million dollars on each election campaign, whether there is any competition or not.
Where does the money come from?
Where does it go?
What does it buy?
And he rufuses to debate his challenger, Tony Barr, claiming he doesn't want to give Tony free publicity.
Give me a break....
I expect he is as corrupt as was his father before him. Bud got his son appointed to his seat when he had to resign over scandalous behavior. The nut doesn't fall far from the tree....
It came out of his donations. That cracker senator out of florida who ran briefly for president last time did the same thing. Had to spend it otherwise the money goes back to the party's general fund. there could be ways to send it around such that he pockets the money.
Fred

Bicester, UK

#10 Oct 8, 2006
change the Photograph!
:-)
Just An Observer

Oscoda, MI

#11 Oct 8, 2006
Foley sure did like 'em young!
bubette

Austin, TX

#12 Oct 8, 2006
If the people holding the emails for a year had brought them out instead of holding them for the best moment, the vultures may have gotten their pound of flesh.
bubette

Austin, TX

#13 Oct 8, 2006
sheephdog wrote:
Hey guys, who is this guy stubbs or studds i keep hearing about in 1983, and they got a new investigator named Volker to look into this Foley thing, what do you guys think?
double-click below:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Studds
Oversight

Austin, TX

#14 Oct 8, 2006
Article says:
"Jefferson, also the subject of a criminal investigation by the Justice Department, has denied any wrongdoing."

Facts are:
"Jefferson was filmed taking a 100,000 dollar bribe and that 90,000 dollars was found in the freezer of his Washington apartment. The Louisiana lawmaker has denied doing anything wrong and refused to resign."

Where are the calls for his head?
CT Yankee

Shelton, CT

#15 Oct 8, 2006
bubette wrote:
If the people holding the emails for a year had brought them out instead of holding them for the best moment, the vultures may have gotten their pound of flesh.
"Two WRONGS don't make it RIGHT!"

I thought the Right was suppose to be above that but instead of cleaning house they did it again tried to Cover Up and hide the skeletons in their closet.

We all know why.... Foley was bringing in lots of $$$'s for the Party and that is what it is all about.

Decent,hardworking, honest American's have to stop taking sides.
Just An Observer

Oscoda, MI

#16 Oct 8, 2006
Oversight wrote:
Article says:
"Jefferson, also the subject of a criminal investigation by the Justice Department, has denied any wrongdoing."
Facts are:
"Jefferson was filmed taking a 100,000 dollar bribe and that 90,000 dollars was found in the freezer of his Washington apartment. The Louisiana lawmaker has denied doing anything wrong and refused to resign."
Where are the calls for his head?
If you recall correctly, Dennis Hastert came running to his side, saying the FBI had no right to search his office! Dennis Hastert is always there whenever something corrupt takes place. He took $60,000 himself from Jack Abromoff!
Oversight

Austin, TX

#17 Oct 8, 2006
Just An Observer wrote:
<quoted text>If you recall correctly, Dennis Hastert came running to his side, saying the FBI had no right to search his office! Dennis Hastert is always there whenever something corrupt takes place. He took $60,000 himself from Jack Abromoff!
I see, so since Hastert defended him, that is why no one - including yourself - has called for his head...

And you equate Jefferson caught red-handed to a paper trail and allegations on Hastert...
Oversight

Austin, TX

#18 Oct 8, 2006
CT Yankee wrote:
<quoted text>
"Two WRONGS don't make it RIGHT!"
I thought the Right was suppose to be above that but instead of cleaning house they did it again tried to Cover Up and hide the skeletons in their closet.
We all know why.... Foley was bringing in lots of $$$'s for the Party and that is what it is all about.
Decent,hardworking, honest American's have to stop taking sides.
So the real issue is not the behavior of Foley, it is that he is a hypocrite, so that makes it okay to hold emails for the best effect and claim you are releasing them because of fear for the children...

And as long as the opposition has a bad guy you can point at, all of your bad guys are excused...
Oversight

Austin, TX

#19 Oct 8, 2006
CT Yankee wrote:
<quoted text>
"Two WRONGS don't make it RIGHT!"
I thought the Right was suppose to be above that but instead of cleaning house they did it again tried to Cover Up and hide the skeletons in their closet.
We all know why.... Foley was bringing in lots of $$$'s for the Party and that is what it is all about.
Decent,hardworking, honest American's have to stop taking sides.
You say "Foley was bringing in lots of $$$'s for the Party and that is what it is all about."

I have never heard this and glancing around on the internet, I see nothing about this.

Where did you get your information from?
lCT Yankee

Shelton, CT

#20 Oct 8, 2006
Oversight wrote:
<quoted text>
So the real issue is not the behavior of Foley, it is that he is a hypocrite, so that makes it okay to hold emails for the best effect and claim you are releasing them because of fear for the children...
And as long as the opposition has a bad guy you can point at, all of your bad guys are excused...
You assume a lot...I'm a Republican that is not looking to the past but to the future.

It is easy to point fingers but to close your eyes and not see the truth you have to have a very narrow mind.
CT Yankee

Shelton, CT

#21 Oct 8, 2006
Oversight wrote:
<quoted text>
You say "Foley was bringing in lots of $$$'s for the Party and that is what it is all about."
I have never heard this and glancing around on the internet, I see nothing about this.
Where did you get your information from?
Get your head out of the sands everyone except you seems to know his biggest talent was getting Campaign Money....try reading the papers and watching the news.
Foley was a charming Back Slapping, Hand Shaker. That's what it is all about in Politics.

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