A collision of visions on bullet train

A collision of visions on bullet train

There are 37 comments on the Los Angeles Times story from Mar 7, 2012, titled A collision of visions on bullet train. In it, Los Angeles Times reports that:

The bullet trains that would someday streak through California at 220 mph are, in the vision of their most ardent supporters, more than just a transportation system.

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TedsLiver

San Lorenzo, CA

#1 Mar 7, 2012
The bullet train is an absolute waste of taxpayer money. Only the train-baggers want it for their free rides.

“i hope we can change this!”

Since: Aug 08

usa

#2 Mar 8, 2012
if there was a market for train travel ... there would be train travel...

or, is this merely a prelude to an obama "train-travel mandate"?
sue

United States

#3 Mar 8, 2012
carey529 wrote:
if there was a market for train travel ... there would be train travel...
or, is this merely a prelude to an obama "train-travel mandate"?
Exactly, same with alternative energy.
Sick of Stupid

Ames, IA

#4 Mar 8, 2012
No way a republican would back something as forward thinking as high speed rail travel.
Some would call that progress, which is something conservatism is wholly against.

No point in even making another comment on this.

Since: May 08

Deltona Fla

#5 Mar 8, 2012
carey529 wrote:
if there was a market for train travel ... there would be train travel...
or, is this merely a prelude to an obama "train-travel mandate"?
The Government has always subsidized train travel. It subsidizes airports also. How do you think those highways get built and maintained? WE need a high speed train system in this country. But we need to rethink what it looks like. We could build a very high speed light rail for passengers only a lot cheaper then trying to make massive tonnage travel down 19th century rails at high speeds. Wouldn’t it be a lot easier and cheaper to build small high speed passenger capsules that are on lock in rails like modern roller coasters use. We can let freight keep lumbering along the existing rails that were built for just that. But those rails were never intended to have 200 mph trains rolling down them. It is time for America to rethink and then show the rest of the world how to do it.
Responsibility

San Bruno, CA

#6 Mar 8, 2012
TedsLiver wrote:
The bullet train is an absolute waste of taxpayer money. Only the train-baggers want it for their free rides.
Do you feel the same about those free loaders cluttering up the free freeways and free roads in amerikkkka?

Since: Dec 07

Kemp, TX

#7 Mar 8, 2012
Responsibility wrote:
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Do you feel the same about those free loaders cluttering up the free freeways and free roads in amerikkkka?
The pay taxes on gasoline and other petroleum products, genius. They're not free! You socialists are like a kid in a candy store wanting handouts.

Since: Dec 07

Kemp, TX

#8 Mar 8, 2012
swampmudd wrote:
<quoted text>The Government has always subsidized train travel. It subsidizes airports also. How do you think those highways get built and maintained? WE need a high speed train system in this country. But we need to rethink what it looks like. We could build a very high speed light rail for passengers only a lot cheaper then trying to make massive tonnage travel down 19th century rails at high speeds. Wouldn’t it be a lot easier and cheaper to build small high speed passenger capsules that are on lock in rails like modern roller coasters use. We can let freight keep lumbering along the existing rails that were built for just that. But those rails were never intended to have 200 mph trains rolling down them. It is time for America to rethink and then show the rest of the world how to do it.
Bad news, the other 49 states don't want to pay for high speed rail in California. Let California stop their massive social giveaway programs and pay for it themselves. The rest of the world has high speed rail.....because due to massive taxes on their salaries, they can't afford cars!!! Very few people ride the trains in the bay area right now, and the left want to build more??? Spend the money if it sounds good, that's our democrats.

Since: Dec 07

Kemp, TX

#9 Mar 8, 2012
Sick of Stupid wrote:
No way a republican would back something as forward thinking as high speed rail travel.
Some would call that progress, which is something conservatism is wholly against.
No point in even making another comment on this.
Build high speed rail in one state, that has trains no one rides right now. Conservatives are backing new engines, oil companies are exploring and financing alternative fuels.

That's progress, meathead. You want to go backwards to socialsit Europe where they are progressivly broke!
Responsibility

San Bruno, CA

#10 Mar 8, 2012
Bluebonnets-Thistle wrote:
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The pay taxes on gasoline and other petroleum products, genius. They're not free! You socialists are like a kid in a candy store wanting handouts.
The roads are free ... unless you ride a toll road.

Dear, I am happy to buy a ticket to ride a train - and I will buy the candy!
Responsibility

San Bruno, CA

#11 Mar 8, 2012
Bluebonnets-Thistle wrote:
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The rest of the world has high speed rail.....because due to massive taxes on their salaries, they can't afford cars!!!
You need to get out of your trailer park more often to see what the real world is all about.

Since: Dec 07

Kemp, TX

#12 Mar 8, 2012
Responsibility wrote:
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The roads are free ... unless you ride a toll road.
Dear, I am happy to buy a ticket to ride a train - and I will buy the candy!
Read the price on the pump when you fill up your car, dummy. It includes fedeal, state and local taxes to pay for roads. Skipped high school economics class to protest the Principal's American Flag tie, didn't you?

Since: Dec 07

Kemp, TX

#13 Mar 8, 2012
Responsibility wrote:
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You need to get out of your trailer park more often to see what the real world is all about.
I live in a three bedroom brick home I paid off without government help. I have been around the world twice.

Go back to your ghetto apartment after you collect your food stamp winnings at the dice game, dog.
HATE

Owatonna, MN

#14 Mar 8, 2012
I am all for high speed rails nation wide.....In every futureistic movie you watch mag-lev trains run all over.... I will bet that 100 years in future 75% of people world wide will not even own a private transport but most travel will be on public high speed transport. Gas engines and the car as we know it are 50-100 years from being like the horse and buggy......history. But just like the horse and buggy people did the far right will FIGHT progress until they die...Which is good cant wait for them to die.
Sick of Stupid

Ames, IA

#15 Mar 8, 2012
Bluebonnets-Thistle wrote:
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Build high speed rail in one state, that has trains no one rides right now. Conservatives are backing new engines, oil companies are exploring and financing alternative fuels.
That's progress, meathead. You want to go backwards to socialsit Europe where they are progressivly broke!
How can progressivism and be progress?
Have you ever ridden a European high speed Train like France's TGV?
I have (while I was over there learning how to be a socialist)
The trains there are fast, quiet, comfortable, and cheap.
We could easily do it here, and perhaps we could take some of the strain off of America's domestic airports.
It would be a good thing to do, jobs, new industry, we got ourselves a beautiful country.... Why should everyone fly over it when we could make it possible to ride through it?
Amtrak is not great example of train train travel. Slow, noisy and bumpy rides, and plenty of boo boo's over the years.
Florida could benefit from HS rail. South FL is huge and sightseeing by car down there is a hassle.
I don't know Cali that well, but being able to bop a train and run the pacific coast to Seattle would be a neat trip probably.
Try not to rule out different modes of transportstion. Progressivism is how we got this far, why stop here? It's good but perfect is a long way off.

Since: Dec 07

Kemp, TX

#16 Mar 8, 2012
HATE wrote:
I am all for high speed rails nation wide.....In every futureistic movie you watch mag-lev trains run all over.... I will bet that 100 years in future 75% of people world wide will not even own a private transport but most travel will be on public high speed transport. Gas engines and the car as we know it are 50-100 years from being like the horse and buggy......history. But just like the horse and buggy people did the far right will FIGHT progress until they die...Which is good cant wait for them to die.
More "progress" is being made by the republicans then the democrats. Red states lead in green energy jobs,(not california), alternative fuel research, wind power, solar power all done with private industry. ExxonMobile is building a new facility north of Houston that will involve major universities from around the country on fuel research.

Meanwhile from the left?

Solyndra--failed, Fisker---failed

Chevy sold just 603 Volts in January.(It sold almost five times as many gas-guzzling, 12 mpg Suburbans that same month.) Nissan moved just 676 Leafs, and the company hasn't sold more than 1,000 in five months.

And these dismal sales figures come in a month when overall auto sales were surprisingly strong — hitting a high not seen since May 2008.

Consumers' lack of interest in electric cars helped push another Obama-backed company — Ener1 — into bankruptcy protection late last week, despite the $118 million grant its battery-making subsidiary got from the Energy Dept. As the CEO put it, the company suffered a lack of demand, thanks to lower-than-hoped-for electric car sales.

Build the pipeline, slow down, continue the research and it will come. No one can clap their hands and move a nation to green industry instantly, not even the messiah in the Whitehouse.

Since: Dec 07

Kemp, TX

#17 Mar 8, 2012
Sick of Stupid wrote:
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How can progressivism and be progress?
Have you ever ridden a European high speed Train like France's TGV?
I have (while I was over there learning how to be a socialist)
The trains there are fast, quiet, comfortable, and cheap.
We could easily do it here, and perhaps we could take some of the strain off of America's domestic airports.
It would be a good thing to do, jobs, new industry, we got ourselves a beautiful country.... Why should everyone fly over it when we could make it possible to ride through it?
Amtrak is not great example of train train travel. Slow, noisy and bumpy rides, and plenty of boo boo's over the years.
Florida could benefit from HS rail. South FL is huge and sightseeing by car down there is a hassle.
I don't know Cali that well, but being able to bop a train and run the pacific coast to Seattle would be a neat trip probably.
Try not to rule out different modes of transportstion. Progressivism is how we got this far, why stop here? It's good but perfect is a long way off.
Did you ask the French riding those trains how much taxes they pay? How much they have left in their wallets on payday? It isn't very much. France is in denial as fragile banks add to economic woesThe second biggest economy in the eurozone is grappling with public debt, stalled growth and high unemployment. US News and World Report

Europes economies are crumbling under the weight of massive social programs and spending, and if we continue......we will be right behind them.
HATE

Owatonna, MN

#18 Mar 8, 2012
Bluebonnets-Thistle wrote:
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More "progress" is being made by the republicans then the democrats. Red states lead in green energy jobs,(not california), alternative fuel research, wind power, solar power all done with private industry. ExxonMobile is building a new facility north of Houston that will involve major universities from around the country on fuel research.
Meanwhile from the left?
Solyndra--failed, Fisker---failed
Chevy sold just 603 Volts in January.(It sold almost five times as many gas-guzzling, 12 mpg Suburbans that same month.) Nissan moved just 676 Leafs, and the company hasn't sold more than 1,000 in five months.
And these dismal sales figures come in a month when overall auto sales were surprisingly strong — hitting a high not seen since May 2008.
Consumers' lack of interest in electric cars helped push another Obama-backed company — Ener1 — into bankruptcy protection late last week, despite the $118 million grant its battery-making subsidiary got from the Energy Dept. As the CEO put it, the company suffered a lack of demand, thanks to lower-than-hoped-for electric car sales.
Build the pipeline, slow down, continue the research and it will come. No one can clap their hands and move a nation to green industry instantly, not even the messiah in the Whitehouse.
I do somewhat agree on a few points.....I do not think tax money should be put into production right now but into research....I mean like an award so to speak say a 25million reward for a truly long lasting affordable cheap battery fro electric cars or something like that.....But at same time all the tens if not hundreds of billions we vie NUKE AND BIG OIL AND BIG COAL should be cut off also....Dont you think????? Or is it a two way street with you???

Since: Dec 07

Kemp, TX

#19 Mar 8, 2012
HATE wrote:
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I do somewhat agree on a few points.....I do not think tax money should be put into production right now but into research....I mean like an award so to speak say a 25million reward for a truly long lasting affordable cheap battery fro electric cars or something like that.....But at same time all the tens if not hundreds of billions we vie NUKE AND BIG OIL AND BIG COAL should be cut off also....Dont you think????? Or is it a two way street with you???
We have to get to work, the pipeline will provide jobs, lower gas prices while research continues. You may disbelieve this, nothing I can do about it, but I pass the facility going up north of Houston that will do alternative fuel reseach every day. Getting pretty big.

We cut off Nuke energy now, oil and coal energy, there will be a lot of people in the dark, and jobless.

Slow down.
Hee Hee

Long Beach, CA

#20 Mar 8, 2012
Bluebonnets-Thistle wrote:
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Bad news, the other 49 states don't want to pay for high speed rail in California. Let California stop their massive social giveaway programs and pay for it themselves. The rest of the world has high speed rail.....because due to massive taxes on their salaries, they can't afford cars!!! Very few people ride the trains in the bay area right now, and the left want to build more??? Spend the money if it sounds good, that's our democrats.
Screw you. Comrade Pelosi will make ALL of you Suckers around the Country pay for our Train and our lavish entitlements after Obama's reign is extended in November.
Bend over......

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