More attacks on high speed rail - wil...

More attacks on high speed rail - will it ever get built?

There are 191 comments on the Examiner.com story from Feb 19, 2011, titled More attacks on high speed rail - will it ever get built?. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

News reports this week indicate that politicians from both sides of the political spectrum, Democrats and Republicans, are not convinced that high-speed rail in California is on a "fast track" to completion.

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Boardwatch

UK

#1 Feb 19, 2011
Hopefully not.....

Slow speed rail can't even support itself and requires taxpayer's help to function.

Why in the world would we even think about taking more food out of my children's mouths to dump more useless money on a losing project..?

What is the definition of insanity again...?

Did you even know they plan on spending the money with foreign companies anyway..? That's right, the train is not even made in America so again we outsource our taxpayers dollars and Americans stay out of work while the foreigners have jobs.

How stupid do you really think Americans are...?
Lon LaFarge

Roseville, CA

#2 Feb 20, 2011
Boardwatch wrote:
Hopefully not.....
Slow speed rail can't even support itself and requires taxpayer's help to function.
Why in the world would we even think about taking more food out of my children's mouths to dump more useless money on a losing project..?
What is the definition of insanity again...?
Did you even know they plan on spending the money with foreign companies anyway..? That's right, the train is not even made in America so again we outsource our taxpayers dollars and Americans stay out of work while the foreigners have jobs.
How stupid do you really think Americans are...?
Did you ever think of WORKING to put food in your children's mouths (or asking "my baby's daddy" to help pay?) rather than depending on the government to fully protect your slacker lifestyle and feed your family? Your slacker lifestyle may be the real insanity around here!

We do need to improve our infrastructure. That's the means of transit our WORKING people depend on to get to work although I wouldn't expect you to know that! That means improving our rapidly deteriorating road and highway system as well as improvements in air AND RAIL travel. Every industrialized country in the world but us (even China and Korea!) has high speed rail and it's been a huge success there. What do we have? Amtrak which takes 12 hours to get from the Bay Area to Southern California. Construction and operation of high speed rail also creates tens of thousands of new jobs not that you'd be interested in actually working at them!

Sad to say but America does not have the capability to engineer and build high speed rail rolling stock right now but many of the parts will be built here and much of the assembly of the cars and locomotives will be done right here in California and other American states.

How stupid do I think Americans really are? Well looking at you I'd say pretty damn stupid and short sighted! Let's just keep burning the dwindling supply of fossil fuels so that we can keep our SUVs and Hummers running eh? Who cares if we have to get in totally unnecessary wars (Iraq!) to support our oil habit? What I'm trying to say is that you're an idiot! Have a nice day!
Boardwatch

UK

#3 Mar 18, 2011
Lon LaFarge wrote:
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Did you ever think of WORKING to put food in your children's mouths (or asking "my baby's daddy" to help pay?) rather than depending on the government to fully protect your slacker lifestyle and feed your family? Your slacker lifestyle may be the real insanity around here!
First off since I was 13 years old I have only been without a job for 30 days of my 50 years of life so there is no "Slacker" here my friend. The only slacker I see are those that prey off other Americans and Californians by making them pay for their travel instead of paying for their own.
Lon LaFarge wrote:
<quoted text> We do need to improve our infrastructure. That's the means of transit our WORKING people depend on to get to work although I wouldn't expect you to know that! That means improving our rapidly deteriorating road and highway system as well as improvements in air AND RAIL travel. Every industrialized country in the world but us (even China and Korea!) has high speed rail and it's been a huge success there. What do we have? Amtrak which takes 12 hours to get from the Bay Area to Southern California. Construction and operation of high speed rail also creates tens of thousands of new jobs not that you'd be interested in actually working at them!
Perhaps that is why Rail is dying. it is technology from the 1800s. Why in the world would anybody ride a train to southern California for 12 hours when you can get on a Plane (Somewhat new technology) that takes about 2 hours???? Any you still try and make a case for Rail Travel. Why not develop some more horse and buggy travel while you are at it? Don't you know that the trains travel at 70+ mph now..? Exactly how much faster do you think it will go and how much faster do you think you will get to LA while you ride that one short stretch of high speed rail that costs your children Billions of dollars?
Lon LaFarge wrote:
<quoted text>Sad to say but America does not have the capability to engineer and build high speed rail rolling stock right now but many of the parts will be built here and much of the assembly of the cars and locomotives will be done right here in California and other American states.
How stupid do I think Americans really are? Well looking at you I'd say pretty damn stupid and short sighted! Let's just keep burning the dwindling supply of fossil fuels so that we can keep our SUVs and Hummers running eh? Who cares if we have to get in totally unnecessary wars (Iraq!) to support our oil habit? What I'm trying to say is that you're an idiot! Have a nice day!


Dude, We have not even tapped 5% of the Oil on Planet Earth. Besides we are right in the middle of the Electric revolution. Vehicles in 25 years will almost all be electric, clean burning with no need for fossil fuels.

Sorry, the Train to nowhere is the biggest Con Job our government and wacko environmentalists have tried to get Americans to swallow. Why do you think all the other states have recognized it for what it is.. a worthless waste of money that Government continues to try and force upon it's already over taxed citizens. And we wonder why California is so deeply in debt when leaders make decisions like this.
Tom Rayner

Santa Fe Springs, CA

#4 Mar 18, 2011
I pray that our children are sparred another unpaid grandiose scheme which leftwingers will pass using nothing but borrowed billion$ which our children will have to pay off for the rest of their lives.

Why has the Left become so cruel and cold hearted?
Palin Supporter

Roseville, CA

#5 Mar 19, 2011
Tom Rayner wrote:
I pray that our children are sparred another unpaid grandiose scheme which leftwingers will pass using nothing but borrowed billion$ which our children will have to pay off for the rest of their lives.
Why has the Left become so cruel and cold hearted?
Yeah them horrible cold hearted, cruel left wingers are always supporting awful things like affordable health care, excellent education for all and improved mass transit which will get us away from dependence on foreign oil. Why can't they be like the Republicans who only approve of spending money on totally unnecessary wars (Iraq which will end up costing us over a TRILLION DOLLARS!) and giving tax breaks to millionaires and corporations? I sure hope Americans are smart enough to see the light and elect Sarah Palin in 2012.I don't think that Obama was even born in this country.
Bubba

Roseville, CA

#6 Mar 19, 2011
Boardwatch wrote:
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Perhaps that is why Rail is dying. it is technology from the 1800s. Why in the world would anybody ride a train to southern California for 12 hours when you can get on a Plane (Somewhat new technology) that takes about 2 hours???? Any you still try and make a case for Rail Travel. Why not develop some more horse and buggy travel while you are at it? Don't you know that the trains travel at 70+ mph now..? Exactly how much faster do you think it will go and how much faster do you think you will get to LA while you ride that one short stretch of high speed rail that costs your children Billions of dollars?
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Sorry, the Train to nowhere is the biggest Con Job our government and wacko environmentalists have tried to get Americans to swallow. Why do you think all the other states have recognized it for what it is.. a worthless waste of money that Government continues to try and force upon it's already over taxed citizens. And we wonder why California is so deeply in debt when leaders make decisions like this.
You don't know diddly about high speed rail or rail in general. Rail travel in America is NOT dying. Amtrak's patronage is increasing every year as is most commute rail and light rail. As the cost of gas approaches $5 a galloon and our economy improves we will only see more substantial increases in ridership. High speed rail is a reality and viable means of transit in almost every other country in the world including many third world countries. The high speed line between northern and southern California won't take 12 hours (as Amtrak now does), more like 3 hours downtown to downtown. When you consider the time getting to airports, the extra time you have to give for modern security, flight delays, etc. it will be very competitive with air travel. Get your facts straight before you get diarrhea of the mouth. Right now you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose!
Boardwatch

UK

#8 Mar 22, 2011
Bubba wrote:
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You don't know diddly about high speed rail or rail in general. Rail travel in America is NOT dying. Amtrak's patronage is increasing every year as is most commute rail and light rail. As the cost of gas approaches $5 a galloon and our economy improves we will only see more substantial increases in ridership. High speed rail is a reality and viable means of transit in almost every other country in the world including many third world countries. The high speed line between northern and southern California won't take 12 hours (as Amtrak now does), more like 3 hours downtown to downtown. When you consider the time getting to airports, the extra time you have to give for modern security, flight delays, etc. it will be very competitive with air travel. Get your facts straight before you get diarrhea of the mouth. Right now you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose!
Oh, Did I forget to mention that I worked for AMTRAK for 7 years..? OOPS

Yeah, I pretty much do know what I'm talking about....

And tell me then if the rail runs from Northern CA to Southern CA in 3 hours, it must not be stopping much in between. And do they plan on drilling a huge tunnel between Bakersfield and LA..? I saw how long it took to fix the freeway over the grapevine. A tunnel would be a 20 year adventure costing BILLIONS (just what California needs, something else it can't pay for)
Bubbs

Roseville, CA

#9 Mar 22, 2011
Boardwatch wrote:
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Oh, Did I forget to mention that I worked for AMTRAK for 7 years..? OOPS
Yeah, I pretty much do know what I'm talking about....
And tell me then if the rail runs from Northern CA to Southern CA in 3 hours, it must not be stopping much in between. And do they plan on drilling a huge tunnel between Bakersfield and LA..? I saw how long it took to fix the freeway over the grapevine. A tunnel would be a 20 year adventure costing BILLIONS (just what California needs, something else it can't pay for)
Just because you worked for Amtrak for 7 years doesn't automatically make you an authority on high speed rail. Many Amtrak employees I've encountered (the managers in particular!) haven't even figured out how speed rail should work! OOPS! I've got you way beat with actual railroad experience. both freight and passenger though!

The present schedule shows a running time between San Francisco and LA at 2 hours and 40 minutes. I'm a little skeptical of that figure myself but present high speed rail technology makes a 3 hour (give or take a few minutes) running time entirely feasible. Stops will of course be limited and some trains will stop more than others. Express trains will achieve the best running time just as the do on the Amtrak Northeast Corridor and throughout Europe and Japan. As far as getting across the Tehachapis between Bakersfield and LA that will be an engineering challenge but not a major obstacle. Much of the engineering work has already been done. There will be obviously some tunneling but not a majority of the mileage by a long shot. High speed rail trainsets can handle grades quite well. The present joint UP/BNSF right of way through the mountains was constructed in the steam engine era. We can do much better today! Plan is to have the SF-LA portion fully in operation by the end of this decade...but don't hold your breath! No 20 years though! Running time between Fresno (well north of Bakersfield) and LA is estimated at 1 hour 24 minutes.

As to whether we can afford it or not...that's a legit question, especially given today's economy! The people in California voted for the bond issue but I have no doubt if it would have involved higher taxes at present (extra sales tax for instance!) it admittedly never would have passed. Federal funding will provide much of the construction cost. As far as that I'd just as soon see my Fed tax dollars go to high speed rail than fund totally unnecessary wars (Iraq!) or provide tax breaks for fat cats and corporations! Again it's a legit concern whether we can afford it at this time.

My feeling is we will need it by mid-century for sure and it will never get any cheaper so we might as well build it. I've seen and ridden high speed rail in much of the world and really appreciate it's advantages. I strongly believe it will work well here too. Only time will tell whether it's a major success or the biggest white elephant in hisotry! I'm betting on the former but of course I could be wrong!
Middle of the road

Rancho Cordova, CA

#10 Mar 22, 2011
I just paid $4.19 for diesel. Won't be long before it's $5.00+ just for gas. I'm already hearing people at the pumps say they wish there was better public transportation.

The lemmings followed the auto/oil industries all the way to the bank.
Boardwatch

UK

#11 Mar 22, 2011
Bubbs wrote:
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Just because you worked for Amtrak for 7 years doesn't automatically make you an authority on high speed rail. Many Amtrak employees I've encountered (the managers in particular!) haven't even figured out how speed rail should work!
EXACTLY

This why we wouldn't even want to be shoveling more money that way, because they have not figured it out and until they do find a way to make it self supporting it shouldn't even be considered.

THIS IS A WASTE OF TAXPAYER MONEY THAT CALIFORNIA CAN'T AFFORD.. PERIOD.

If it such a good thing, why hasn't private business jumped behind it to help fund it...? Answer me that Question...
Bubba

Roseville, CA

#12 Mar 22, 2011
Boardwatch wrote:
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EXACTLY
This why we wouldn't even want to be shoveling more money that way, because they have not figured it out and until they do find a way to make it self supporting it shouldn't even be considered.
THIS IS A WASTE OF TAXPAYER MONEY THAT CALIFORNIA CAN'T AFFORD.. PERIOD.
If it such a good thing, why hasn't private business jumped behind it to help fund it...? Answer me that Question...
Amtrak will not be running the California HSR (thank God!) so your first point isn't valid

California can't afford lots of things but the public voted for these bonds and there is lots of Federal money available to match the bond funds. Like I said before I personally would rather my tax dollars go to infrastructure improvements than unnecessary wars and tax breaks for millionaires, billionaires, and unregulated corporations (the financial ones in particular!) that drove us into the economic toilet (see the current movie "Inside Job" now on DVD)!

Private business hasn't got the tens of billions requiried to build this but will be definitely a partner in operating it. There is no mass transit rail system IN THE WORLD (including Japan's heavily utilized Bullet Trains or Europe's TGVs) that makes a profit. Public money is necessary to support all of our domestic transit operations including airlines. You think the airlines are paying for those mammoth airports, TSA security, air traffic controllers, the FAA, etc.? Some local bus systems only make about 15 per cent of their cost of operation from the farebox. All modes of transit (including our automobiles!) require public subsidies but our society benefits from it.

"THIS IS A WASTE OF TAXPAYER MONEY..." only if you're unable to think clearly and can't see any further than beyond your nose!
Boardwatch

UK

#13 Mar 22, 2011
Bubba wrote:
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tax breaks for millionaires, billionaires, and unregulated corporations (the financial ones in particular!) that drove us into the economic toilet (see the current movie "Inside Job" now on DVD)
Boy are you mixed up.

You are blaming the poor spending habits of California politicians on not Taxing people enough...?

An in case you didn't know. The concept of anything unregulated in California is a Myth. Except maybe your thoughts, and that's only because they have not figured out how to regulate that next.

In fact take a look at all the California Government Agencies below and tell me again that California is not Regulating Businesses enough. I doubt that I have enough characters to show them all in one window.

California Academic Performance Index (API)* California Access for Infants and Mothers * California Acupuncture Board * California Administrative Office of the Courts * California Adoptions Branch * California African American Museum * California Agricultural Export Program * California Agricultural Labor Relations Board * California Agricultural Statistics Service * California Air Resources Board (CARB)* California Allocation Board * California Alternative Energy and Advanced Transportation Financing Authority * California Animal Health and Food Safety Services * California Anti-Terrorism Information Center * California Apprenticeship Council * California Arbitration Certification Program * California Architects Board * California Area VI Developmental Disabilities Board * California Arts Council * California Asian Pacific Islander Legislative Caucus * California Assembly Democratic Caucus * California Assembly Republican Caucus * California Athletic Commission * California Attorney General * California Bay Conservation and Development Commission * California Bay-Delta Authority * California Bay-Delta Office * California Biodiversity Council * California Board for Geologists and Geophysicists * California Board for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors * California Board of Accountancy * California Board of Barbering and Cosmetology * California Board of Behavioral Sciences * California Board of Chiropractic Examiners * California Board of Equalization (BOE)* California Board of Forestry and Fire Protection * California Board of Guide Dogs for the Blind * California Board of Occupational Therapy * California Board of Optometry * California Board of Pharmacy * California Board of Podiatric Medicine * California Board of Prison Terms * California Board of Psychology * California Board of Registered Nursing * California Board of Trustees * California Board of Vocational Nursing and Psychiatric Technicians * California Braille and Talking Book Library * California Building Standards Commission * California Bureau for Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education * California Bureau of Automotive Repair * California Bureau of Electronic and Appliance Repair * California Bureau of Home Furnishings and Thermal Insulation * California Bureau of Naturopathic Medicine * California Bureau of Security and Investigative Services * California Bureau of State Audits * California Business Agency * California Business Investment Services (CalBIS)* California Business Permit Information (CalGOLD)* California Business Portal * California Business, Transportation and Housing Agency * California Cal Grants * California CalJOBS * California Cal-Learn Program * California CalVet Home Loan Program * California Career Resource Network * California Cemetery and Funeral Bureau * California Center for Analytical Chemistry * California Center for Distributed Learning * California Center for Teaching Careers (Teach California)* California Chancellors Office * California Charter Schools * California Children and Families Commission
Boardwatch

UK

#14 Mar 22, 2011
Here are some more California Govt Agencies...
California Children and Family Services Division * California Citizens Compensation Commission * California Civil Rights Bureau * California Coastal Commission * California Coastal Conservancy * California Code of Regulations * California Collaborative Projects with UC Davis * California Commission for Jobs and Economic Growth * California Commission on Aging * California Commission on Health and Safety and Workers Compensation * California Commission on Judicial Performance * California Commission on State Mandates * California Commission on Status of Women * California Commission on Teacher Credentialing * California Commission on the Status of Women * California Committee on Dental Auxiliaries * California Community Colleges Chancellors Office, Junior Colleges * California Community Colleges Chancellors Office * California Complaint Mediation Program * California Conservation Corps * California Constitution Revision Commission * California Consumer Hotline * California Consumer Information Center * California Consumer Information * California Consumer Services Division * California Consumers and Families Agency * California Contractors State License Board * California Corrections Standards Authority * California Council for the Humanities * California Council on Criminal Justice * California Council on Developmental Disabilities * California Court Reporters Board * California Courts of Appeal * California Crime and Violence Prevention Center * California Criminal Justice Statistics Center * California Criminalist Institute Forensic Library * California CSGnet Network Management * California Cultural and Historical Endowment * California Cultural Resources Division * California Curriculum and Instructional Leadership Branch * California Data Exchange Center * California Data Management Division * California Debt and Investment Advisory Commission * California Delta Protection Commission * California Democratic Caucus * California Demographic Research Unit * California Dental Auxiliaries * California Department of Aging * California Department of Alcohol and Drug Programs * California Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control Appeals Board * California Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control * California Department of Boating and Waterways (Cal Boating)* California Department of Child Support Services (CDCSS)* California Department of Community Services and Development * California Department of Conservation * California Department of Consumer Affairs * California Department of Corporations * California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation * California Department of Developmental Services * California Department of Education * California Department of Fair Employment and Housing * California Department of Finance * California Department of Financial Institutions * California Department of Fish and Game * California Department of Food and Agriculture * California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection (CDF)* California Department of General Services * California Department of General Services, Office of State Publishing * California Department of Health Care Services * California Department of Housing and Community Development * California Department of Industrial Relations (DIR)* California Department of Insurance * California Department of Justice Firearms Division * California Department of Justice Opinion Unit * California Department of Justice, Consumer Information, Public Inquiry Unit * California Department of Justice ** California Department of Managed Health Care * California Department of Mental Health * California Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV)* California Department of Personnel Administration * California Department of Pesticide Regulation * California Department of Public Health * California Department of Real Estate *
Boardwatch

UK

#15 Mar 22, 2011
More...
California Department of Rehabilitation * California Department of Social Services Adoptions Branch * California Department of Social Services * California Department of Technology Services Training Center (DTSTC)* California Department of Technology Services (DTS)* California Department of Toxic Substances Control * California Department of Transportation (Caltrans)* California Department of Veterans Affairs (CalVets)* California Department of Water Resources * California Departmento de Vehiculos Motorizados * California Digital Library * California Disabled Veteran Business Enterprise Certification Program * California Division of Apprenticeship Standards * California Division of Codes and Standards * California Division of Communicable Disease Control * California Division of Engineering * California Division of Environmental and Occupational Disease Control * California Division of Gambling Control * California Division of Housing Policy Development * California Division of Labor Standards Enforcement * California Division of Labor Statistics and Research * California Division of Land and Right of Way * California Division of Land Resource Protection * California Division of Law Enforcement General Library * California Division of Measurement Standards * California Division of Mines and Geology * California Division of Occupational Safety and Health (Cal/OSHA)* California Division of Oil, Gas and Geothermal Resources * California Division of Planning and Local Assistance * California Division of Recycling * California Division of Safety of Dams * California Division of the State Architect * California Division of Tourism * California Division of Workers Compensation Medical Unit * California Division of Workers Compensation * California Economic Assistance, Business and Community Resources * California Economic Strategy Panel * California Education and Training Agency * California Education Audit Appeals Panel * California Educational Facilities Authority * California Elections Division * California Electricity Oversight Board * California Emergency Management Agency * California Emergency Medical Services Authority * California Employment Development Department (EDD)* California Employment Information State Jobs * California Employment Training Panel * California Energy Commission * California Environment and Natural Resources Agency * California Environmental Protection Agency (Cal/EPA)* California Environmental Resources Evaluation System (CERES)* California Executive Office * California Export Laboratory Services * California Exposition and State Fair (Cal Expo)* California Fair Political Practices Commission * California Fairs and Expositions Division * California Film Commission * California Fire and Resource Assessment Program * California Firearms Division * California Fiscal Services * California Fish and Game Commission * California Fisheries Program Branch * California Floodplain Management * California Foster Youth Help * California Franchise Tax Board (FTB)* California Fraud Division * California Gambling Control Commission * California Geographic Information Systems Council (GIS)* California Geological Survey * California Government Claims and Victim Compensation Board * California Governors Committee for Employment of Disabled Persons * California Governors Mentoring Partnership * California Governors Office of Emergency Services * California Governors Office of Homeland Security * California Governors Office of Planning and Research * California Governors Office * California Grant and Enterprise Zone Programs HCD Loan * California Health and Human Services Agency * California Health and Safety Agency * California Healthy Families Program * California Hearing Aid Dispensers Bureau * California High-Speed Rail Authority *
Boardwatch

UK

#16 Mar 22, 2011
California Highway Patrol (CHP) * California History and Culture Agency * California Horse Racing Board * California Housing Finance Agency * California Indoor Air Quality Program * California Industrial Development Financing Advisory Commission * California Industrial Welfare Commission * California InFoPeople * California Information Center for the Environment * California Infrastructure and Economic Development Bank (I-Bank) * California Inspection Services * California Institute for County Government * California Institute for Education Reform * California Integrated Waste Management Board * California Interagency Ecological Program * California Job Service * California Junta Estatal de Personal * California Labor and Employment Agency * California Labor and Workforce Development Agency * California Labor Market Information Division * California Land Use Planning Information Network (LUPIN) * California Lands Commission * California Landscape Architects Technical Committee * California Latino Legislative Caucus * California Law Enforcement Branch * California Law Enforcement General Library * California Law Revision Commission * California Legislative Analyst's Office * California Legislative Black Caucus * California Legislative Counsel * California Legislative Division * California Legislative Information * California Legislative Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender (LGBT) Caucus * California Legislature Internet Caucus * California Library De velopment Services * California License and Revenue Branch * California Major Risk Medical Insurance Program * California Managed Risk Medical Insurance Board * California Maritime Academy * California Marketing Services * California Measurement Standards * California Medical Assistance Commission * California Medical Care Services * California Military Department * California Mining and Geology Board * California Museum for History, Women, and the Arts * California Museum Resource Center * California National Guard * California Native American Heritage Commission * California Natural Community Conservation Planning Program * California New Motor Vehicle Board * California Nursing Home Administrator Program * California Occupational Safety and Health Appeals Board * California Occupational Safety and Health Standards Board * California Ocean Resources Management Program * California Office of Administrative Hearings * California Office of Administrative Law * California Office of AIDS * California Office of Binational Border Health * California Office of Child Abuse Prevention * California Office of Deaf Access * California Office of Emergency Services (OES) * California Office of Environmental Health Hazard Assessment * California Office of Fiscal Services * California Office of Fleet Administration * California Office of Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) Implementation (CalOHI) * California Office of Historic Preservation * California Office of Homeland Security * California Office of Human Resources * California Office of Legal Services * California Office of Legislation * California Office of Lieutenant Governor * California Office of Military and Aerospace Support * California Office of Mine Reclamation * California Office of Natural Resource Education * California Office of Privacy Protection * California Office of Public School Construction * California Office of Real Estate Appraisers * California Office of Risk and Insurance Management * California Office of Services to the Blind * California Office of Spill Prevention and Response * California Office of State Publishing (OSP) * California Office of Statewide Health Planning and Development * California Office of Systems Integration * California Office of the Inspector General * California Office of the Ombudsman * California Office of the Patient Advocate * California Office of the President
Boardwatch

UK

#17 Mar 22, 2011
* California Office of the Secretary for Education * California Office of the State Fire Marshal * California Office of the State Public Defender * California Office of Traffic Safety * California Office of Vital Records * California Online Directory * California Operations Control Office * California Opinion Unit * California Outreach and Technical Assistance Network (OTAN) * California Park and Recreation Commission * California Peace Officer Standards and Training (POST) * California Performance Review (CPR) * California Permit Information for Business (CalGOLD) * California Physical Therapy Board * California Physician Assistant Committee * California Plant Health and Pest Prevention Services * California Policy and Evaluation Division * California Political Reform Division * California Pollution Control Financing Authority * California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo * California Postsecondary Education Commission * California Prevention Services * California Primary Care and Family Health * California Prison Industry Authority * California Procurement Division * California Public Employees Retirement System (CalPERS) * California Public Employment Relations Board (PERB) * California Public Utilities Commission (PUC) * California Real Estate Services Division * California Refugee Programs Branch * California Regional Water Quality Control Boards * California Registered Veterinary Technician Committee * California Registrar of Charitable Trusts * California Republican Caucus * California Research and Development Division * California Research Bureau * California Resources Agency * California Respiratory Care Board * California Rivers Assessment * California Rural Health Policy Council * California Safe Schools * California San Francisco Bay Conservation and Development Commission * California San Gabriel and Lower Los Angeles Rivers and Mountains Conservancy * California San Joaquin River Conservancy * California School to Career * California Science Center * California Scripps Institution of Oceanography * California Secretary of State Business Portal * California Secretary of State * California Seismic Safety Commission * California Self Insurance Plans (SIP) * California Senate Office of Research * California Small Business and Disabled Veteran Business Enterprise Certification Program * California Small Business Development Center Program * California Smart Growth Caucus * California Smog Check Information Center * California Spatial Information Library * California Special Education Division * California Speech-Language Pathology and Audiology Board * California Standardized Testing and Reporting (STAR) * California Standards and Assessment Division * California State Administrative Manual (SAM) * California State Allocation Board * California State and Consumer Services Agency * California State Architect * California State Archives * California State Assembly * California State Association of Counties (CSAC) * California State Board of Education * California State Board of Food and Agriculture *California Office of the Chief Information Officer (OCIO) * California State Children's Trust Fund * California State Compensation Insurance Fund * California State Contracts Register Program * California State Contracts Register * California State Controller * California State Council on Developmental Disabilities (SCDD) * California State Disability Insurance (SDI) * California State Fair (Cal Expo) * California State Jobs Employment Information * California State Lands Commission * California State Legislative Portal * California State Legislature * California State Library Catalog * California State Library Services Bureau * California State Library * California State Lottery * California State Mediation and Conciliation Service * California State Mining and Geology Board * California State Park and Recreation Commission
Boardwatch

UK

#18 Mar 22, 2011
The Above is only about 2/3 of the "Regulating Agencies" in California

I Hope that sticks in you mind now and the Point has been made.

Please tell me again how Business is not "Regulated" or Taxed Enough in California...

This is a disgrace and embarrassment for Californians

Especially those standing in the Unemployment lines right now....
Bubba

Roseville, CA

#19 Mar 23, 2011
Boardwatch wrote:
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Boy are you mixed up.
You are blaming the poor spending habits of California politicians on not Taxing people enough...?
An in case you didn't know. The concept of anything unregulated in California is a Myth.
I'm mixed up? The more you say the more wacky and delusional you sound! I'm beginning to understand why Amtrak hired you! Then again you are from Texas (the home of George W. "What Me Worry?" Bush among other yahoos and that could explain a lot right there!

Who said anything about people not being taxed enough? The people of California (misguided or not) voted for high speed rail and the issuance of bonds to start engineering and building the system. The legislature is obligated to respect the will of the people and issue those bonds.

California has about the same number of regulatory agencies as other states and the majority of them have little power and accomplish very little. Yeah I know you're annoyed because you can't go around drinking beer while you drive and packing iron when you go to church! Decades of deregulation legislation of our corporations (the financial ones in particular) from the Feds (which overrides state regulation) started under the Reagan administration has led us into this economic disaster. Again you should see that movie "Inside Job" (now on DVD) not that I would expect you to be interested in facts.

High speed rail has been a major success in the rest of the world and is rapidly expanding even in third world countries. Even on the (Amtrak run!) Northeast Corridor it has captured much of the travel market between Washington DC-New York-Boston. Since our cities are spread so far apart itt won't work everywhere in the USA but all indications are that in certain markets like the heavily traveled Los Angeles corridor it will be equally successful. As oil supplies dwindle, the mid east becomes increasingly more unstable and gas heads for $5.00 a galloon and beyond it's going to become more and more important to a balanced transportation system. Whether a yahoo down in Texas (an ex Amtrak employee at that!) believes that or not is frankly irrelevant to the people of California or any other thinking American!
Boardwatch

UK

#20 Mar 23, 2011
So tell me what does fuel cost for a locomotive to run down the tracks? and move those tons and tons of steel..?

On one hand you talk about spending $5 a gallon on fuel and the next you say it doesn't matter what the cost is because Governments always subsidizes rail travel.

I'll still say that it would be cheaper to buy the riders a car than to subsidize their train travel.

How about the Government just subsidize our Gas instead?

Besides, there will a lot more electric vehicles on the road in 20 years anyway so why are we talking about the price of gas?

The point I am trying to make is the fact that Californians just can't afford it period.

You addressed the Bonds issue,(which does not pay of all of it) how is California going to pay for Operating costs each year..? Who is going to carry that Burden

Or do you even care who pays for it as long as you get yours.
Bubba

Roseville, CA

#21 Mar 23, 2011
Boardwatch wrote:
So tell me what does fuel cost for a locomotive to run down the tracks? and move those tons and tons of steel..?
On one hand you talk about spending $5 a gallon on fuel and the next you say it doesn't matter what the cost is because Governments always subsidizes rail travel.
I'll still say that it would be cheaper to buy the riders a car than to subsidize their train travel.
How about the Government just subsidize our Gas instead?
Besides, there will a lot more electric vehicles on the road in 20 years anyway so why are we talking about the price of gas?
The point I am trying to make is the fact that Californians just can't afford it period.
You addressed the Bonds issue,(which does not pay of all of it) how is California going to pay for Operating costs each year..? Who is going to carry that Burden
Or do you even care who pays for it as long as you get yours.
When passenger trains are well utilized (in other words run at capacity or even close to it) they are absolutely the most economical method of transit per passenger mile.

The government doesn't FULLY subsidize rail travel. Amtrak, your old employer gets about 70 cents on the dollar from ticket revenue. That compares quite favorably with other modes of transit. Some local bus systems only recover about 15 cents on the dollar. Even the Japanese bullet trains and the European train system doesn't make a profit. Both require a considerable subsidy. Most rational people consider that a pretty good investment since it provides affordable, frequent, fast, safe, environmental friendly transit for all. As stated earlier the government also subsidizes air travel, bus travel and yeah automobile travel too. Your gas taxes don't begin to pay for the construction and maintenance of our road and highway system. They never have and they never will.

What do you mean "as long as you get yours"? What am I going to get out of it? I may be dead before the system starts running.(I also may be dead before we see mass production of electric vehicles! The experts say that's a LONG ways away!) I doubt that I would be making that many rail trips between Northern and Southern California anyway. It would be nice to have if I needed it though. It would also nice to know it was there for the rest of my state. Amtrak now takes about 12-13 hours by the Coast route, 8-9 hours via the San Joaquin Valley route with a bus connection to LA at Bakersfield. Those routes are highly patronized and frequently sold out by the way. So much for your argument that nobody wants to take the train!

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