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Quirky long shots Kucinich and Paul stand tall on Iraq -

There are 138 comments on the Baltimore Sun story from Aug 1, 2007, titled Quirky long shots Kucinich and Paul stand tall on Iraq -. In it, Baltimore Sun reports that:

Do long-shot presidential candidates Dennis J. Kucinich, a Democrat, and Ron Paul, a Libertarian-turned-Republican, play any useful role in their respective parties' nomination contests? Clearly, the likelihood ...

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Clearwater, FL

#22 Aug 1, 2007
He lecturer of political science at a university? My God, man! Get it together, please. This piece is almost the worst article I have read in a few weeks.(I read roughly 10-12 news publication a day)
Why would you write an article about "non front runners" just to bash them.
Quirky? I wanted to read what you thought was quirky about them. That was your headline.
Joe Lawson

Corbin, KY

#23 Aug 1, 2007

How do you know Dr Paul is a long shot? Your use of outdated polling methodology is one of the main probems
with your opinion. If you haven't realized yet, the main stream media is dying, and fast. Nobody reads newspapers anymore, nobody listens to the evening news, even if Katie Couric tries to make Paris Hilton news, and the only people that rely on the mass media to get their political information live in a nursing home or in the backwoods. The majority of people that are between the ages of 18 and 45 don't use landlines, and that number is growing even with people older than 45, not to mention the fact that unlisted numbers are also not polled. So far Ron Paul has come in 1st or 2nd in every online poll and text poll given. Also he has come in 1st or 2nd in every straw poll so far, and thats actual people on the ground voting.
Ron Paul has by far had the largest crowds of any candidate Republican or Democrat, is the number one searched name on the internet, and is the only Republican Candidate that actually received more money in the second quarter than the first.

What you are trying to do is to marginalize him, but that won't work. By the way Mr. Obama supporter - Obama wants to send troops to Pakistan - Obama is a liar, just like the rest of the Candidates running.

Vote Ron Paul

Blacksburg, VA

#24 Aug 1, 2007
Quirky my ass. I hate how when someone in the presidential race isn't a pre-packaged boring conforming robot the media dismisses them as quirky. These men are real. When someone asks them a question they actually tell you their opinion. Heaven forbid! The main source of their problems is that they aren't taken seriously by the media who keeps saying repeating moronic things like "they're quirky," and refuses to treat them like real contenders. It's hard for people to get behind a candidate that the kingmakers in the media have chosen to dismiss.
Jonathan B - Jonesboro GA

Cincinnati, OH

#25 Aug 1, 2007
The Constitution is so quirky!! Being honest is a quirky characteristic!
Authoritarianism is fun and exciting!!
Go back to sleep America! We must not elect a principled candidate for President! Go back to sleep America! Do not listen to reason! Go back to sleep America! Your government is in control! Go back to sleep America! More government is the solution to your ills! Go back to sleep America! The media is reporting the truth! Go back to sleep America! Give up your liberties for safety, that's the only way to be safe! Go back to sleep America! You must either be conservative or liberal, Republican or Democrat! Go back to sleep America! Quit thinking for yourself! Go back to sleep America! You aren't smart enough! Go back to sleep America! We will teach you what you should know! Go back to sleep America! We are a Democracy! Go back to sleep America! There is no way our empire will fail! Go back to sleep America! Socialism helps the poor! Go back to sleep America! A little Fascism won't hurt! Go back to sleep America! Your paper money is real money! Go back to sleep...

Cartersville, GA

#26 Aug 1, 2007
Stay home on Election Day! As in the words of Samuel Adams,( you do know who He was...don't you???)
" If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude ( to your boss) than the animating contest of Freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!!!! "
Go Ron Paul...The Next Thomas Jefferson!!!!!!!!

Hampton, NH

#28 Aug 1, 2007
Paul has more money than Mccain...how does he have no chance to win? The media needs to stop telling us who to vote for and who has a chance, let the people decide.
Dan Warner

Nuremberg, PA

#29 Aug 1, 2007
I actually think you are a bit off base, and I hate to see candidates 'put on the back shelf' so early. States move their primaries so they can feel like they are more relevant in driving the popularity contest that our elections have become. Now there seems to be a rush to shut anyone up who does not 'fit the mold' much earlier.

This means that real candidates with real ideas are being pushed out the door before they have a chance to be heard. You do a disservice to America by blowing off any chance they have in the elections.

Take Ron Paul for example. He has tons of cash on hand compared to the other candidates who have money, but huge dept. He is drawing increasingly large crowds both online and offline, motivated crowds... Now consider that maybe he starts doing well in straw polls, straw polls who other 'top tier' candidates are skipping. What if being blown off by the top tier offends the voters in these polls? What then? What if they vote for the guy who has the decency to show up and give them straight talk?

I think that its a shame that the mainstream media is rushing to judgements about candidates before Iowa is just plain stupid and offensive. They may point to the tried and true formulas of this polling organization or the other, but what they fail to realize is that the internet is here.

The internet is the great equalizer. You may think it's just a bunch of 20 something drop outs and teenagers flirting in chat rooms, but it's much much more than that, and the diversity of people online is hugely different than the last election cycle. My '60 something' mother in law is a perfect example. She isn't afraid to log into YouTube or do a Google search. She has adapted, have the polls?

I think the media should tell us the facts, give us the numbers, let us think for ourselves. To say one candidate or the other has 'no chancce' is arrogant and idiotic when there are so many unknown variables out there.
C Wesley Fowler

Paris, TN

#30 Aug 1, 2007
What a ridiculous article. Paul has as much chance to win this race as anyone. We damn well better hope he wins. The stuff that passes for journalism these days is comical.

Granada Hills, CA

#31 Aug 1, 2007
another sugar coated hit peice on ron paul and kucinich. why do so many people in the corporate media try and make paul sound so bad. it is funny because every media where a writer has an editor all they have is ron paul hit peices. and then when you have a blogger who speaks from his heart, every blogger cant find anything bad to say about ron paul. i guess what it comes down to is if you have corporate interest editors that make sure that none of your work goes through unless is in the interest of advertisers, i mean really who cares if your giving good news as long as advertisers are happy. why dont you just get into magazines baltimore sun, there is more money and it is not as hard of work having to lie and propogandize every day.

Walnut Creek, CA

#32 Aug 1, 2007
Paul and Kucinich, along with John Edwards are characters right out of Wizard of Oz. Paul needs a heart, Kucinich courage, and Edwards is looking for a brain.

Jonas Ridge, NC

#33 Aug 1, 2007
Thomas F. Schaller's fiancée, Traci Siegel, is the executive director of the Women’s Vote Center project at the Democratic National Committee.

Bottom line, this clown is a shill for Hitlary.

No wonder he is going after the only Republican that can beat her.

Manchester, NH

#34 Aug 1, 2007
RON PAUL is third place in fundraising and has had more people at the debates than any other candidate, D or R, by twice.

He won the straw poll in NH by 65%

He is not by any stretch the equivalent of Dennis Kucinich.
Please stop associating him with that element of society!
Perhaps they agree on getting out of Iraq but so does everyone else. But that's where it ends.

Manchester, NH

#35 Aug 1, 2007
Yes I agree with Tim, I'm sick of having the liberal Rudy and flip flopping Mitt shoved down my throat.

When we work events, Paul has 5 volunteers at the table while Rudy has one paid lackey who can't answer questions and acts like Rudy -- he implodes.

400 people at the NH debates....it's a fact whether CNN cut us all out of the photo or not.
James D

Lindsay, Canada

#36 Aug 1, 2007
"Clearly, the likelihood of either of these two congressmen being nominated is roughly equivalent to my chances of starting at left tackle for the Ravens this season."


You make an statement unsupported by any evidence and then add the word 'clearly' to it so that we all say "oh my goodness, this writer's statement must be so true. He can see the future. None of us can. Let us make him our brain god and think only his thoughts.

Dude! No-one wants your hack mystic predictions about the future. 20 slimy cockroaches under a rock can predict better than you can.

If you want to be a psychic go solve some crimes. That would be doing something useful for a change.

United States

#37 Aug 1, 2007
Ron Paul is doing pretty darn good at this stage.

Ron Paul is 1st on YouTube, Meetup, MySpace, Technorati, Alexa, Google, etc. The old media is just too slow to realize what is happening.

Ron Paul places 1st or 2nd in every straw poll, debate, and active participation survey.

Dr. Ron Paul has the most contributions from U.S. military personnel & veterans above all other candidates. So support the troops and vote Ron Paul!

Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton were doing about the same in the 'Scientific Polls' at this stage in their elections.'Scientific Polls' at this stage only measure name recognition. Over the next six months Ron Paul will gain name recognition. Most people who learn about Ron Paul become major supporters.

70% of Americans want us out of Iraq and want change.

Ron Paul is only republican candidate against the war.

Ron Paul only needs about 30% vote from republicans sick of the war and abuse of powers to win in republican primaries.

Dr. Ron Paul is the man of integrity and courage that America needs at this time.

“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.” John Quincy Adams

We are making history -- Vote Ron Paul!

Visit YouTube and search Ron Paul to learn more...

United States

#38 Aug 1, 2007
"First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win." - Gandhi.

Blue Bell, PA

#39 Aug 1, 2007
Who is Ron Paul?

Brief Overview of Congressman Paul’s Record:

He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.

He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.

He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

Congressman Paul introduces numerous pieces of substantive legislation each year, probably more than any single member of Congress.

Blue Bell, PA

#40 Aug 1, 2007
Ron Paul - accept no substitutes!
No one else will do.

Santa Ana, CA

#41 Aug 1, 2007
For you to have the same chance to play left tackle for the Ravens as Ron Paul has of being the Republican nominee, you would have had to have a 20-year career in professional football, and never made a bad play.

Nice try to conflate a serious Republican candidate with a fringe Democrat, though. Kucinich is seventh in an eight-candidate Democratic field by any reasonable measure. Paul is third in a ten-candidate Republican field in net cash on hand, first in volunteers of all candidates (28,000 in local Meetups, and more joining every day), and drawing large crowds wherever he goes (500 to 1200 in Missouri, Iowa, California, Nevada, South Carolina, Texas -- look for the videos online -- they don't lie.)

Ron Paul suffers from "near invisibility?" Tell that to the 2 million people who have seen his YouTube videos, second only to Obama. The only invisibility Ron Paul suffers has been on CBS and NBC. Fox and ABC have had him on, if only to try to smear him or conflate him with Gravel, but MSNBC, CNN, and other cable channels have treated him as a serious contender, as he deserves.

It's a sad commentary on our political system when someone who takes his oath of office to uphold the Constitution seriously is labeled "quirky". Maybe that's why so many of us are ready to shock the Establishment in the primaries.

Kingman, AZ

#42 Aug 1, 2007
Anyone who's taken an introductory course in journalism knows that words have meaning. There seems to be a double-standard in the media. Prefixing adjectives to Paul and Kucinich's names like "long shot", "unelectable", or "quirky" is acceptable. Revealing a perpetrator's race is unacceptable. Do you follow me?

It is the media's job to inform the public of the facts. Many people will hear about Paul for the first time by reading your article. What you have written is a blatant lie; Paul has every chance in the world, so long as the media informs the public without prejudice, and the public vote's in their best interest. An informed public will do so. Why isn't the media informing us?

You've reported that Paul is unelectable. Why is he unelectable? Because YOU --and the rest of old media-- smear him. The media is creating the news it peddles.

So much for journalistic integrity.

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