Dennis Kucinich, Leftie for Radical Islam

Mar 27, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Daniel Pipes

Keith Ellison and Andre Carson receive considerable attention as the first two Muslims to serve in the U.S. Congress. The novelty of their presence, however, should not obscure the fact that Congress includes other representatives, invariably on the left wing of the Democratic party, who also carry water for Islamist interests and causes.

Not themselves Muslim, their relative obscurity attracts less attention to them and may make them more effective. For example, When the U.S. House voted 390-5 in 2009 in favor of a resolution concerning Israel's right to self-defense against Hamas, Carson voted for the resolution and Ellison voted "present." In contrast, Dennis J. Kucinich, Gwen Moore, Ron Paul, Nick Rahall, and Maxine Waters cast the "no" votes ...

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In the first 9 minutes of the video:
1) Much of the muslim leadership in North America have an agenda of turning the entire continent into an islamic state.
2) Dr. Jasser expected to see muslims in America taking to the streets to protest against bin laden. Instead, the muslim leaders have come out to support and defend the 'radicals'. They support an infantada in this country to change the political dynamics here.
3) Dr. Jasser formed his own organization to speak out against radicals and terrorism. Local muslim leaders refused to participate. Dr. Jasser was outcast by islamic leadership ACROSS THE USA.
4) A document authored in America, by American muslims shows the strategy to infiltrate and dominate America. All levels of muslim organizations are involved in this. The list is shown 4:17 into the video.
5) The Islamic Thinkers Society - "islam will dominate", they want to replace American law with their version of sharia. "it will come down to the whole world obeying his law".
6) One in four young muslim Americans condone suicide bombing as an acceptable way to 'defend their religion'.
So Woodrow, tell us again how muslims in the US don't want to change our laws or constitution. It is a lie, and every 'moderate' muslim that chooses to bury his head in the sand and ignore it, is effectively condoning the radicals. By not speaking out and fighting them, you are assisting them. When you make your statements of 'islam is peaceful' and deny the truth, you are supporting their cause.
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I and anybody else can only speak with certainty about what they themselves have witnessed. currently I know there are about 8,000 Muslims in ND about 4000 of them are from families that have been here since before State hood and this region was called Indian Territory. So far I am unaware of any Muslims here that condone violence.

With all of the media attention about Islamic Violence, how many people here in the USA have actually had a violent confrontation with a Muslim?

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I and anybody else can only speak with certainty about what they themselves have witnessed. currently I know there are about 8,000 Muslims in ND about 4000 of them are from families that have been here since before State hood and this region was called Indian Territory. So far I am unaware of any Muslims here that condone violence.
With all of the media attention about Islamic Violence, how many people here in the USA have actually had a violent confrontation with a Muslim?
I think you have not even investigated the facts of why we're concerned at all. If you did you would not have asked that question.

Did you see any of us claim a Muslim attacked us violently and this was our main concern?

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I think you have not even investigated the facts of why we're concerned at all. If you did you would not have asked that question.
Did you see any of us claim a Muslim attacked us violently and this was our main concern?
Are you surprised that Woodrow refuses to investigate the facts? Anything that casts muslims in a negative light he fights with denial, outright lies, or he simply ignores it in the hope it will be forgotten. Notice his response to the first 9 minutes of that video. I wrote it out after he used the excuse of not hearing well. His only reply was to deny, and attempt to misdirect. When that didn't work, he ignored it. He already admitted that the American Muslim, Dr. Jasser is unlikely to say anything he disagrees with. And yet, here we have Woodrow disagreeing because he can't let muslims be seen negatively.

Look how stridently he is defending that male nurse on the other thread. Most of the facts are unknown, yet he has spent an inordinate amount of time defending the muslim. Woodrow simply can't face his own insecurities about islam. He knows that he is wrong, he knows that many muslims have violent tendancies, but he doesn't want to admit it.

He may not be vulgar and crude like most of the muslims on this thread, but he certainly isn't honest. His appearance of calm and rational lies is more dangerous than the muslims who openly spew the hatred. People are more likely to get conned into believing Woodrow, if they don't take the time to pick apart his lies.

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Are you surprised that Woodrow refuses to investigate the facts? Anything that casts muslims in a negative light he fights with denial, outright lies, or he simply ignores it in the hope it will be forgotten. Notice his response to the first 9 minutes of that video. I wrote it out after he used the excuse of not hearing well. His only reply was to deny, and attempt to misdirect. When that didn't work, he ignored it. He already admitted that the American Muslim, Dr. Jasser is unlikely to say anything he disagrees with. And yet, here we have Woodrow disagreeing because he can't let muslims be seen negatively.
Look how stridently he is defending that male nurse on the other thread. Most of the facts are unknown, yet he has spent an inordinate amount of time defending the muslim. Woodrow simply can't face his own insecurities about islam. He knows that he is wrong, he knows that many muslims have violent tendancies, but he doesn't want to admit it.
He may not be vulgar and crude like most of the muslims on this thread, but he certainly isn't honest. His appearance of calm and rational lies is more dangerous than the muslims who openly spew the hatred. People are more likely to get conned into believing Woodrow, if they don't take the time to pick apart his lies.
It could also be Woody is not able to discern what you and I see. I can't guess why he has blinders on.

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Are you surprised that Woodrow refuses to investigate the facts? Anything that casts muslims in a negative light he fights with denial, outright lies, or he simply ignores it in the hope it will be forgotten. Notice his response to the first 9 minutes of that video. I wrote it out after he used the excuse of not hearing well. His only reply was to deny, and attempt to misdirect. When that didn't work, he ignored it. He already admitted that the American Muslim, Dr. Jasser is unlikely to say anything he disagrees with. And yet, here we have Woodrow disagreeing because he can't let muslims be seen negatively.
Look how stridently he is defending that male nurse on the other thread. Most of the facts are unknown, yet he has spent an inordinate amount of time defending the muslim. Woodrow simply can't face his own insecurities about islam. He knows that he is wrong, he knows that many muslims have violent tendancies, but he doesn't want to admit it.
He may not be vulgar and crude like most of the muslims on this thread, but he certainly isn't honest. His appearance of calm and rational lies is more dangerous than the muslims who openly spew the hatred. People are more likely to get conned into believing Woodrow, if they don't take the time to pick apart his lies.
The only thing I can say is apparently you and I have had different experiences with Muslims. Even when I was extremely anti-Islamic and a believer in the misconceptions about Muslims I was always treated with kindness even in Islamic Nations where I saw them as the enemy.

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The only thing I can say is apparently you and I have had different experiences with Muslims. Even when I was extremely anti-Islamic and a believer in the misconceptions about Muslims I was always treated with kindness even in Islamic Nations where I saw them as the enemy.
All the links and facts we've posted, you do not see them?

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All the links and facts we've posted, you do not see them?
Too many links. Call it over kill. I've stopped looking at them quite a while back.
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The only thing I can say is apparently you and I have had different experiences with Muslims. Even when I was extremely anti-Islamic and a believer in the misconceptions about Muslims I was always treated with kindness even in Islamic Nations where I saw them as the enemy.
When Islam is in the minority it is peaceful.
But when it becomes large in numbers it becomes evil.
It returns to its agenda of forcing Shria law on the non-muslims.
And under Shria non-muslims are treated as second class citizens.
Islam is a religion where no one is safe from being harmed, not even muslims among themself.

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Too many links. Call it over kill. I've stopped looking at them quite a while back.
And yet Rave was thoughtful enough to sum it up for you and you still aren't aware.

In the first 9 minutes of the video:
1) Much of the muslim leadership in North America have an agenda of turning the entire continent into an islamic state.
2) Dr. Jasser expected to see muslims in America taking to the streets to protest against bin laden. Instead, the muslim leaders have come out to support and defend the 'radicals'. They support an infantada in this country to change the political dynamics here.
3) Dr. Jasser formed his own organization to speak out against radicals and terrorism. Local muslim leaders refused to participate. Dr. Jasser was outcast by islamic leadership ACROSS THE USA.
4) A document authored in America, by American muslims shows the strategy to infiltrate and dominate America. All levels of muslim organizations are involved in this. The list is shown 4:17 into the video.
5) The Islamic Thinkers Society - "islam will dominate", they want to replace American law with their version of sharia. "it will come down to the whole world obeying his law".
6) One in four young muslim Americans condone suicide bombing as an acceptable way to 'defend their religion'.

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And yet Rave was thoughtful enough to sum it up for you and you still aren't aware.
He doesn't want to be aware. He made a conscious decision to ignore the evil of islam.

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And yet Rave was thoughtful enough to sum it up for you and you still aren't aware.
In the first 9 minutes of the video:
1) Much of the muslim leadership in North America have an agenda of turning the entire continent into an islamic state.
That is true. but I contend the majority want it to be because people convert to Islam of their own free will and sincerely believe it is the best choice.
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2) Dr. Jasser expected to see muslims in America taking to the streets to protest against bin laden. Instead, the muslim leaders have come out to support and defend the 'radicals'. They support an infantada in this country to change the political dynamics here.
I share the same disdain that Dr. Jasser has. I also expected to see that happen. But one thing I notice is all of the moderate Muslims I know do not want to do anything to attract attention to themselves.
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[QUOTE who="Trisha"]3) Dr. Jasser formed his own organization to speak out against radicals and terrorism. Local muslim leaders refused to participate. Dr. Jasser was outcast by islamic leadership ACROSS THE USA.
Virtually every Muslim in the USA is a self supporting entity. We all act as individuals, there are no central groups we can get together for any cause. If we want to have a group with a Cause, we have to start it and finance it as individuals.
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4) A document authored in America, by American muslims shows the strategy to infiltrate and dominate America. All levels of muslim organizations are involved in this. The list is shown 4:17 into the video.
While that probably is true. Most Muslims in the USA are not affiliated with any organization. On a personal note I tend to avoid any identified alleged Islamic organization. Especially if it does not seem to be self financed by 1 or possibly several local individuals. I do not consider any organization to represent Islam unless it is started by and fully financed by a local Imam. Or a local group.
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5) The Islamic Thinkers Society - "islam will dominate", they want to replace American law with their version of sharia. "it will come down to the whole world obeying his law".
I doubt if that represent many American Muslims. But it will represent the most vocal of us, and those seem to be those who do join non-Local organizations.
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6) One in four young muslim Americans condone suicide bombing as an acceptable way to 'defend their religion'.
That is disturbing. I wonder what they used as a criteria for the representative group in the study. Also how they arrived at the 1 out of 4. We do not even know how many Muslims are in the USA. Much less how many would be 1 out of 4.
I am curious on what they call young Muslims? Also what they used for their data base.

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First understand sharia is religious law, not the wahhabi/salafi vigilante actions the media calls Sharia.
Another error is the assumption the concept of Sharia is limited to Islam. Any religious based legal system and any laws based upon a religious belief are Sharia.
American law has been heavily influenced by Christian Sharia. Although the founding fathers put seperation of State and Church into the constitution, you will still find a religious influence in many laws. That is Sharia.
There may be a push to implemented other Sharia Laws on us. And not just the Civil Contract laws between Muslims many of us Muslims are asking recognition of.
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/mixner-c...
If you oppose sharia oppose all Sharia not just Islamic Sharia.
No, let Sharia be muslim Sharia, don't impose that name to christianity or other laws. To us it is a name for Islamic law, what you are doing here is a kind of distraction - and deception to a degree!

And if you werre a Preacher of a christian church before, would you mind explaining what "Christian Sharia" mean? What laws are christians to impose to its citizens?

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No, let Sharia be muslim Sharia, don't impose that name to christianity or other laws. To us it is a name for Islamic law, what you are doing here is a kind of distraction - and deception to a degree!
And if you werre a Preacher of a christian church before, would you mind explaining what "Christian Sharia" mean? What laws are christians to impose to its citizens?
Like Islamic Sharia, Christian sharia applies only to members of their own denomination, not to the general population. Islamic sharia applies only to Muslims.

Christian shariah only applies to the members of a denomination. These are very noticeable if you you compare Mormons, Catholics, JWs and Baptists.

Every Church or denomination has church dogma or canons that set the laws for being a member

Some quick examples: Baptism, Excommunication, A churches stand on Abortions, Birth control, qualifications of people to be clergy, the beliefs a member of the church must adhere to.

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Like Islamic Sharia, Christian sharia applies only to members of their own denomination, not to the general population. Islamic sharia applies only to Muslims.
Christian shariah only applies to the members of a denomination. These are very noticeable if you you compare Mormons, Catholics, JWs and Baptists.
Every Church or denomination has church dogma or canons that set the laws for being a member
Some quick examples: Baptism, Excommunication, A churches stand on Abortions, Birth control, qualifications of people to be clergy, the beliefs a member of the church must adhere to.
You call those "Sharia"? Some are church positions on social issues and of course if you talk about "qualifications" to be a church leader you'd expect to hire someone that represent the church's position. Just don't call that Sharia! No one is banned from sitting in the church because of any of that (you didn't ban people from hearing when you preach did you?)

I'm interested to know what is written in your "Assembly of God" church "Sharia".(btw, what is the official english word used by your church to stand for that "Sharia"?)

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You call those "Sharia"? Some are church positions on social issues and of course if you talk about "qualifications" to be a church leader you'd expect to hire someone that represent the church's position. Just don't call that Sharia! No one is banned from sitting in the church because of any of that (you didn't ban people from hearing when you preach did you?)
I'm interested to know what is written in your "Assembly of God" church "Sharia".(btw, what is the official english word used by your church to stand for that "Sharia"?)
Sharia is the Arabic word for "Path to the water hole" it is the name we use for any set of laws with special emphasis being for those of a religion. In Islam Sharia will be which madhab you follow. what the Western world generally calls shariah is Wahabbiism. The Hanafi madhab I follow is very similar to British or American law.

It has been over 30 years since I left the "Assembly of God" if memory serves me correctly the only Sharia we used was the word of the bible.

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Sharia is the Arabic word for "Path to the water hole" it is the name we use for any set of laws with special emphasis being for those of a religion. In Islam Sharia will be which madhab you follow. what the Western world generally calls shariah is Wahabbiism. The Hanafi madhab I follow is very similar to British or American law.
but surely when muslims in the west want "Sharia" they didn't just want to use the same law that we use, or whats the point of fighting for a it? Of course it is the "questionable" part that we are talking about - to try to "calm" us down by making them sound the same is not really a good thing to do. People need to know what is it that they are dealing with.
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It has been over 30 years since I left the "Assembly of God" if memory serves me correctly the only Sharia we used was the word of the bible.
Wow, I can't blame you for leaving the church then... don't they have a more simplified version of "sharia", like a 1 page creed or something?

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but surely when muslims in the west want "Sharia" they didn't just want to use the same law that we use, or whats the point of fighting for a it? Of course it is the "questionable" part that we are talking about - to try to "calm" us down by making them sound the same is not really a good thing to do. People need to know what is it that they are dealing with.
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Wow, I can't blame you for leaving the church then... don't they have a more simplified version of "sharia", like a 1 page creed or something?
As for myself and every Muslim I know when we say we want recognition of Sharia we are speding of the Civil laws that are unique for Muslims. such as the writing of contracts, loan and interest contracts, buying and selling between Muslims, marriage, divorce adoption, wills etc. We do not want to change any criminal laws and do want our civil laws to be compliant with state criminal laws for example we do not expect not want to have the contracts violate any state laws geagarding polygamy or permitted age of marriage.

While it is legal for us toconduct our civil contracts in private under shariah, which is fine as long as every body stays compliant. But, without stated recognition we have no recourses if somebody violates a contract.

What we are seeking is state recognition of Islamic contracts between Muslims. the same as most states recognize Judaic laws for contracts between jews.

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