No end in sight to 'war on women' att...

No end in sight to 'war on women' attacks

There are 332 comments on the Politico story from Nov 10, 2013, titled No end in sight to 'war on women' attacks. In it, Politico reports that:

Hardly a commercial break went by in October when Virginia voters weren't reminded of Ken Cuccinelli's far-right views on abortion and other social issues.

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incredulous

Carmel, IN

#271 Nov 18, 2013
Buffalo Bull wrote:
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1) I made it clear that i wasn't not pushing for single payer. On the grounds of political impossibility.
2)ACA is not single payer
3) If you read what I had written you would have found 'market base" concept heavy on administrative reforms..
4)Did you absorb anything from the tone of the exchanges I have been having with Chicopee ?... No name calling rather nice wasn't it?
oscumma's plan is a ruse and if you can't see it by now, there is really nothing more to say.

The way oscumma imposed his will on Americans....the way he lied and decieved against the will of the people is enough to say this entire thing should be scrapped.

Most people do NOT want govt. to control our health care. It's a simple concept to understand but obviously something you can't 'absorb'.

Since: Oct 08

Alpharetta, GA

#272 Nov 18, 2013
I might not buy obamacare....what happens if I don't?

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#273 Nov 18, 2013
inbred Genius wrote:
I might not buy obamacare....what happens if I don't?
It will take their computer 45 years to find you.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#274 Nov 18, 2013
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>The insurance industry has been in bed with govt. for decades because of it's great wealth and power to change markets with it's investing power. The use of that power to corrupt is where it goes wrong which is why the bigger the govt., the more to corrupt and use against its people.

The insurance industry has been gradually socializing health care to some extent which has led to the doctor shortage. Some of the issues associated with it have provided a doorway to socialism which is why so many gullible nimrods think oscumma is proposing something great. The 'war on women' nonsense opens up the portal because if you threaten nearly half the population with oppressive govt. control, you create enough room to allow govt. to slither in and take over. Additionally, the commies have convince many gullibles into thinking women should have society pay for their birth control and maternity care. Women are becoming the new black.

The social extremists have opened this door since early 80s by involving govt in our personal lives. Social extremists have thrown our liberties out the window almost like the liberal commies. This weakening of fiscal conservative influence in govt. has allowed liberal extremists such as oscumma to retain power. There is a war going on in the United States but it is a war against our liberties. I'm afraid the gullible will not wake up until it is too late. The idea of a New World Order does not seem to be the mumblings of the tin foil hat counter-culture any longer. We are beginning to see it unfold before our eyes.

Social extremists have been paving the way. We need to elect a fiscal conservative who will leave the social issues alone except to put an end to bringing illegals into this country. The people must maintain their independence and govt. should be reduced and the real power returned to the people once again. Why do we want to continue to grow and support an IRS who is demanding more and more of our blood?

Both parties have grown the govt. although the liberals want to rule through govt. control. The tea party has the idea except some of the activists' social agenda tainted the movement. Libertarians should merge with the Republican party and focus on govt. waste. If they split with Republicans, the liberal scum will continue to smother our rights.
Yes, the insurance companies used to own 2/3 of American industry and did through their purchasing power and capital reserves were able to employ many to lobby for their interest.

Since: Oct 08

Alpharetta, GA

#275 Nov 18, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>
It will take their computer 45 years to find you.
that works, I'll be 105 then, moving slow too....

Since: Oct 08

Alpharetta, GA

#276 Nov 18, 2013
oops 110

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#277 Nov 18, 2013
inbred Genius wrote:
oops 110
The minds the first to go.

Since: Oct 08

Alpharetta, GA

#278 Nov 18, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>The minds the first to go.
what's next? memory? I've got a good memory, it's just short.

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#279 Nov 18, 2013
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>oscumma's plan is a ruse and if you can't see it by now, there is really nothing more to say.
The way oscumma imposed his will on Americans....the way he lied and decieved against the will of the people is enough to say this entire thing should be scrapped.
Most people do NOT want govt. to control our health care. It's a simple concept to understand but obviously something you can't 'absorb'.
There are some people who see nothing but conspiracy and evil in everything that they find a disagreement with
Thus everyone who fails to conform to their view point must be evil or stupid.
It is a sad sight to see such a person rule that there can be no disagreement between intellegent and well intentioned people. Because the essence of Democracy is in how we resolve these disagreements and recognize that we are on the same team inspite of differences. It's a simple concept to understand but obviously something you can't absorb

“Happiness comes through giving”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#280 Nov 18, 2013
inbred Genius wrote:
I might not buy obamacare....what happens if I don't?
Then Wolfcare is available. It covers wounds inflicted by a boxing kangaroo while anywhere in the state of Georgia.
Raviana

Lincoln City, OR

#281 Nov 18, 2013
I've gotten sick of this "war on women" crap. I mean what sounds more like a "war on women"

Encouraging women to be responsible

or

Encouraging women to be sluts and kill their babies whenever they get pregnant.

“Happiness comes through giving”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#282 Nov 18, 2013
inbred Genius wrote:
oops 110
Boy, time DOES fly!

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#284 Nov 18, 2013
Raviana wrote:
I've gotten sick of this "war on women" crap. I mean what sounds more like a "war on women"
Encouraging women to be responsible
or
Encouraging women to be sluts and kill their babies whenever they get pregnant.
Let me see if I can get this straight.

Encouraging women to be responsible? What are you suggesting? Abstinence? Birth control? Frigid?
Who encourages women to be "sluts"? Define slut. You would like sluts to become mothers? Only sluts have abortions?

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#285 Nov 18, 2013
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>This country is not socialist which is why this model is not going to work here. Applying an 'exact copy' of Canadian care is impossible because the demographics alone are not the same. oscumma has been driving single payer care down our throats and the gullible swallow it, ever so gratefully. Although our healthcare system isn't perfect, it should not be uprooted for socialism. We should quit giving govt. more control over our lives. I want to see Medicare abolished and Medicaid reduced. Sponging off a smaller govt. should be less and less likely. The parasites are sucking the lifeblood out of a people who once valued their independence.
What do you intend to replace Medicare with? What are elderly people of modest means in life to do once they become ill?

On another thread you suggested if you were in charge any woman who became pregnant and received any government assistance should be "forced" to abort. I found that interesting since you are so against government forcing anything on people. You sound rather tyrannical. I think you should read up on Vlad &#538;epe&#537;, I think you might admire him. He had a way of ridding himself of people who might be a problem. Then again he may not have anything over you.

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#286 Nov 18, 2013
Buffalo Bull wrote:
<quoted text>
There are some people who see nothing but conspiracy and evil in everything that they find a disagreement with
Thus everyone who fails to conform to their view point must be evil or stupid.
It is a sad sight to see such a person rule that there can be no disagreement between intellegent and well intentioned people. Because the essence of Democracy is in how we resolve these disagreements and recognize that we are on the same team inspite of differences. It's a simple concept to understand but obviously something you can't absorb
incredulous has a team of one player. His self, is the only member of his team and the world evolves around him.

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#287 Nov 18, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
<quoted text>
incredulous has a team of one player. His self, is the only member of his team and the world evolves around him.
Fair and true.
And clearly not the only one

Are you sure about this individuals gender?
Chicopee

New Fairfield, CT

#288 Nov 18, 2013
Buffalo Bull wrote:
<quoted text>
I have also gotten to compare health care systems by way of talking to the people who live under it. I have heard complaints but when I have pinned them down and asked them if they would trade...never had a taker. They have wait times for electives and they don't have unlimited access to diagnostics but some of our use of those services is in defensive medicine and 'just to cover bases'. When comparing our hockey scarred faces...getting my nose straightened took a couple weeks they waited months...my partial dentures came a lot quicker as well
Americans are Capitalists and I am by defination one of course.... most Canadians are as well . The funny thing about capitalism is that it is like baskin-robins ice cream...44 flavors. The most common bit of rhetorical overkill from the right is that any thing other than laissez-faire is communism. A regulated capitalism is still capitalism... Also examine the Robber Barons and the trust busters and ask your self if the wildly popular Teddy Roosevelt was not some what a american socialist, on some issues
A Montreal fan..figures..lol
I was, most often the checking line Center I spent my time attempting to shut down guys who were far more talented than I was. Bob Gainey was a hero when I was a kid.
I know one woman who said she would trade. Her father is an American citizen, Canadian born. So she's a little more familiar with the differences than the average Canadian. He's had quite a few health problems, but nothing life threatening.

Her mother who stayed in Cananda, on the other hand, had suffered a couple of minor strokes. She had borderline-high blood pressure and minor issues due to the strokes.

She started experiencing heartburn and minor stomach complaints, along with a 'funny feeling' mid abdomen. She made an appointment with her GP, and was about five weeks into her twelve week wait when she was rushed to the hospital by ambulance.

She had an aneurysm in an artery leading to the lungs, which by the time it became an emergency, she had a very slim chance of surviving the surgery to try and fix it. They opted not to try and she passed, fairly peacefully, about twenty hours later. She was in her sixties.

My friend felt that if she had been able to see a doctor sooner, they might have found that in a timely enough fashion to save her. We'll never know.

She works in healthcare and has grown pretty sour on it over the years, but as much with administrative and union control issues as with the delivery system.

I find it prudent to try and keep politics out of it lol!, because we tend to get more caught up in slinging at the other guys than we do actually examining any issues.

Even the way our current insurance system is set up could be construed as one of the 'isms' by some. Everyone who has insurance pays into a group plan. I, and my family, could argue that over the course of the last twenty nine years, we've paid tens of thousands and had much more than that paid in on our behalf by our employers. I doubt we've drawn $12,000 out of it.(No, I'm not complaining.)

I think it's the mandate that really draws the ire of many on the right, and fining people if they don't pay in. That is a departure from our normal capitalistic system. Expanding the powers of the IRS is the icing on the cake.
Chicopee

New Fairfield, CT

#289 Nov 19, 2013
Buffalo Bull wrote:
<quoted text>
I have also gotten to compare health care systems by way of talking to the people who live under it. I have heard complaints but when I have pinned them down and asked them if they would trade...never had a taker. They have wait times for electives and they don't have unlimited access to diagnostics but some of our use of those services is in defensive medicine and 'just to cover bases'. When comparing our hockey scarred faces...getting my nose straightened took a couple weeks they waited months...my partial dentures came a lot quicker as well
Americans are Capitalists and I am by defination one of course.... most Canadians are as well . The funny thing about capitalism is that it is like baskin-robins ice cream...44 flavors. The most common bit of rhetorical overkill from the right is that any thing other than laissez-faire is communism. A regulated capitalism is still capitalism... Also examine the Robber Barons and the trust busters and ask your self if the wildly popular Teddy Roosevelt was not some what a american socialist, on some issues
A Montreal fan..figures..lol
I was, most often the checking line Center I spent my time attempting to shut down guys who were far more talented than I was. Bob Gainey was a hero when I was a kid.
The only experience I had with Canadian health care was fine, actually.

I developed an earache and a fever...because that's what you do when your on vacation. We were in a lovely little town about 45 minutes east of Montreal. Our friends drove us further east, to an even smaller town (Waterloo), where there was a clinic, and thankfully, an English doctor. No fuss. No wait. He examined me, told me he thought it might be a tooth, not my ear, offered me a choice between a shot or a prescription. I chose the shot and we paid the bill.

For the record, he was right. A few weeks later, the problem flared up again, and it was an impacted wisdom tooth that had abscessed.

Hockey scars (I wear them proudly)...I didn't seek medical treatment for either of the two that are on my face. I haven't had stitches yet and I don't plan to. Give me tape and I can butterfly like a champ. Done right, it scars less.

One is on my forehead, ironically, shaped just like a hockey stick. The other is on the underside of my chin (I was spitting chips from my teeth on that one). As I age, I've realized that this scar will very clearly delineate a second chin if and when I gain weight. I will try very hard not to care.

And I have a perfectly round patch of spider veins on the side of my left leg, just above the knee. That shot hurt more than the other two combined and took a very long time to heal.

Proper equipment is a must,'cause pucks are very hard. I came to understand very quickly why so many of those small town guys had no front teeth. They couldn't afford all that much equipment, but they sure do love their pond hockey.

Gainey was phenomenal. Good thing I'm so slight and just a girl. I don't even want to think what would have happened had I tried playing a wing.

A Montreal fan...figures...what is THAT supposed to mean??
Chicopee

New Fairfield, CT

#290 Nov 19, 2013
Buffalo Bull wrote:
<quoted text>
With our focus on the Canadian system I must repeat that I dont' believe it to be perfect and there is no way , if I had the Presidents ear, that I would be pushing for an exact copy. It would never pass through our political process and would be a large waste of political capital.
But the universal aspect is admirable and if we can cover close to 100% with a basic coverage, it would an advance in our social infrastructure. And more affordable that is believed. And we are talking about basic coverage with the deductibles and restrictions that are in basic plans that we have always had from the private sector.
Beyond a universal mandate there isn't much in the proposition that I but forward that is taken from the Canadians. I think an American reform is required. ACA is not perfect. The sputtering start reminds me of the sputtering start W's drug plan encountered. No large change is seamless. But keeping it in place is an improvement , that could be larger, it the GOP drops the goal of eliminating ACA you'll find moderate Democrats agreeable to changes in the program.
Again if I had had the Presidents ear back when this was being assembled, I would have urged him to taper his rhetoric and re-shape some aspects. It would have been Ideal to have GOP votes however the GOP was dead set against giving him a victory, politics had trumped function.
And so it becomes at times if the other guy wants a fight give him just a little more fight than he wants...
Politics over function, but if there is a fight..it is always preferable to win...I would have liked to see what results would have happened if the GOP had not recklessly kept raising the ante...
I was sincere in my complement...look at how many exchanges are spitting contests here
I've tried three times now to respond to this post...but it's late, I'm tired and I get half way through and end up zoning out. So I will revisit this tomorrow.

And I thank you for the compliment as well as for playing along nicely, even though we may disagree on as many facets of this issue as we do agree. And that's okay. Discussed without rancor and emotion, things can be learned, opinions can evolve. Because if we can't try and see other perspectives, we can never change our minds, and if we never change our minds, then we simply aren't thinking.

Too many exchanges turn into spitting contests, and I've occasionally done my share. I try hard not to, but I'm far from a perfect human. And there are some posters on here that I simply skip right over. It's not worth the aggravation.

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#291 Nov 19, 2013
Buffalo Bull wrote:
<quoted text>
Fair and true.
And clearly not the only one
Are you sure about this individuals gender?
incredulous claims to be female, posts under many different names (troll). I believe the entity is male by the language and attitude towards women, which is primarily seen by males on some of these threads.

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