Florida won't comply with health-care...

Florida won't comply with health-care reform

There are 22 comments on the DispatchPolitics story from Feb 10, 2011, titled Florida won't comply with health-care reform. In it, DispatchPolitics reports that:

Health insurers that overcharge Florida consumers won't be required to issue rebate checks here, one of a raft of consequences emerging after a federal lower-court judge declared the Affordable Care Act void.

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Mike

Reynoldsburg, OH

#1 Feb 10, 2011
I don't get it. The federal judge ruled it was unconstitutional. Period...the end.
itsjustaquestion

Cuyahoga Falls, OH

#2 Feb 10, 2011
nope- that makes it 2 judges for/ and 2 judges against- not over til us supreme court rules on it
Conservatives Lie

Columbus, OH

#3 Feb 10, 2011
Mike wrote:
I don't get it. The federal judge ruled it was unconstitutional. Period...the end.
You keep posting this moronic LIE every day...only to be told, over, and over again, that it is a 2-2 tie.

Dum-Bass!
SeparateChurchAn dState

Delphos, OH

#4 Feb 10, 2011
If the GOP is against health care reform, it's because the insurance companies that fund them are against it. The insurance and drug companies like things the way they were, with them in charge, the money flowing in, and any concern for the people or their health to be disregarded.

Remember--- Florida was bought for Rick Scott with anonymous Citizens United money to the same extent that Ohio was bought for John Kasich. You are going to see the real GOP agenda (support big money only) in both of these states, but you'll have to read between the lines....

The GOP will talk about abortion and patriotism and Jesus a lot, to make you think they're supporting the people, but their real "base" is corporations, banks, Wall Street, and insurance companies.
Tea Party Tim

Blacklick, OH

#5 Feb 10, 2011
Conservatives Lie wrote:
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You keep posting this moronic LIE every day...only to be told, over, and over again, that it is a 2-2 tie.
Dum-Bass!
Wait wait wait....You mean one activist judge in a federal district that covers 1/3 of the State of Florida can't completely invalidate a national law enacted by Congress, the US Senate, and the President of the United States? That's crazy!

And the fact that the judge ruled the law would stand until all appeals were exhausted doesn't allow the state to ignore the law? NOOOOOO!!!!
Conservatives Lie

Columbus, OH

#6 Feb 10, 2011
Tea Party Tim wrote:
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Wait wait wait....You mean one activist judge in a federal district that covers 1/3 of the State of Florida can't completely invalidate a national law enacted by Congress, the US Senate, and the President of the United States? That's crazy!
And the fact that the judge ruled the law would stand until all appeals were exhausted doesn't allow the state to ignore the law? NOOOOOO!!!!
I like the way he specifically wrote "THE" federal judge ruled against it...

Keep up the good work...and the good fight, TPT!
Linda

Galloway, OH

#7 Feb 10, 2011
Good luck Florida! I wish you the best. Now if the other states could get a pair.
texas_cowboy

Dallas, TX

#8 Feb 10, 2011
Floridians elected Obama in 08 because they wanted health care reform. It was the major focus of his campaign. A goof ball judge in Florida isn't going to take down what so many fought for. Don't forget, Seniors in Florida run that state politically.
Shokanman

Columbus, OH

#9 Feb 10, 2011
Hey Florida! Feds here...

We agree not to compel compliance with the law through lawsuits.

But we'll keep our share (just our share) of Medicaid payments until this is ironed out. OK?

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#10 Feb 10, 2011
texas_cowboy wrote:
Floridians elected Obama in 08 because they wanted health care reform. It was the major focus of his campaign. A goof ball judge in Florida isn't going to take down what so many fought for. Don't forget, Seniors in Florida run that state politically.
Nope, you got it all wrong. This is FloriDUH. Everyone here is brain dead. They voted the major Medicare ripoff artist in the whole country into the governors mansion.
CIAMATO

Denver, CO

#11 Feb 10, 2011
Whether you like ObamaCare or not the "pro" people here are simply wrong about the order. There could be 100 judges who rule it constitutional and if ONE says it is not, and strikes down the entire law due to a lack of severability, then with or without an injunction there IS NO LAW until the SCOTUS rules.

Clinton, Bush, and now Obama play(ed)fast and loose with the balance of power. The branches have very difinitive powers, and the Executive MAY NOT OVERRULE the judicial. Period. The only way to supercede that is to obtain a stay- they have not.

Obama is now in full contempt of the BP ruling, openly, and continues to defy the judiciary in this case. I found it disturbing with his predecessors as well.

"Conservatives Lie"- Obama lies, and you swear by it. Sheeple. Get an education before you spout party line willful ignorance. All that outrage about Bush- you far lefties are the ultimate hypocrites.

TPT- you just sound dumb with your silly sarcasm. I'm embarrassed for you, really.
CIAMATO

Denver, CO

#12 Feb 10, 2011
Shokanman wrote:
Hey Florida! Feds here...
We agree not to compel compliance with the law through lawsuits.
But we'll keep our share (just our share) of Medicaid payments until this is ironed out. OK?
Talk about the incredible arrogance of the left- "What Constitution?" Any means to your end, huh?

But that sounds dandy to me. The states should tell the Feds to shove it on Medicaid- they DO have that right! Let the able-bodied freeloading baby-makers go to the states that wil suck the Feds' nads. Obamacare exponentially raised their Medicaid liability without a vote from the people.
CIAMATO

Denver, CO

#13 Feb 10, 2011
SeparateChurchAndState wrote:
If the GOP is against health care reform, it's because the insurance companies that fund them are against it. The insurance and drug companies like things the way they were, with them in charge, the money flowing in, and any concern for the people or their health to be disregarded.
Remember--- Florida was bought for Rick Scott with anonymous Citizens United money to the same extent that Ohio was bought for John Kasich. You are going to see the real GOP agenda (support big money only) in both of these states, but you'll have to read between the lines....
The GOP will talk about abortion and patriotism and Jesus a lot, to make you think they're supporting the people, but their real "base" is corporations, banks, Wall Street, and insurance companies.
A complete load. Is that why Reid and CO voted against allowing competition from Canadian drug providers until they realized it would pass without them in fall of 2009?

7 out of the top 10 richest senators and representatives are Democrats, and Joe Biden, D-MBNA, is the one who ring-fenced bonuses for Lehman with his pro-bank bankruptcy legislation, sponsored by his son, the paid banking lobbyist. Google "Obama-Wall Street Connections" and see your parroted, polarized, mushy-thinking, liberal "everyman" crap rhetoric flushed right down the proverbial toilet.

Don't care about abortion- let them have them, hell, I'll pay. Patriotism? Yes- but not you, you deal in ideology, as the ignorant masses do. Jesus? Great guy- not sure what he has to do with crooked politicians and the morons who set any stock in any of them.
Shokanman

Columbus, OH

#14 Feb 10, 2011
CIAMATO wrote:
Whether you like ObamaCare or not the "pro" people here are simply wrong about the order. There could be 100 judges who rule it constitutional and if ONE says it is not, and strikes down the entire law due to a lack of severability, then with or without an injunction there IS NO LAW until the SCOTUS rules.
Clinton, Bush, and now Obama play(ed)fast and loose with the balance of power. The branches have very difinitive powers, and the Executive MAY NOT OVERRULE the judicial. Period. The only way to supercede that is to obtain a stay- they have not.
Obama is now in full contempt of the BP ruling, openly, and continues to defy the judiciary in this case. I found it disturbing with his predecessors as well.
"Conservatives Lie"- Obama lies, and you swear by it. Sheeple. Get an education before you spout party line willful ignorance. All that outrage about Bush- you far lefties are the ultimate hypocrites.
TPT- you just sound dumb with your silly sarcasm. I'm embarrassed for you, really.
I take it you are legal scholar or attorney familiar federal procedure.

However, MY understanding is that a federal DISTRICT judge cannot set precedence for other federal districts. AND an appeal can stay findings pending a review by either a three judge appellate court or a review en banc (look it up). In this case, I'll bet the review will be en banc. Until that review (at least) the only place the law MAY be invalid is in the district of that judge.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but provide backup documentation.
Shokanman

Columbus, OH

#15 Feb 10, 2011
CIAMATO wrote:
<quoted text>
Talk about the incredible arrogance of the left- "What Constitution?" Any means to your end, huh?
But that sounds dandy to me. The states should tell the Feds to shove it on Medicaid- they DO have that right! Let the able-bodied freeloading baby-makers go to the states that wil suck the Feds' nads. Obamacare exponentially raised their Medicaid liability without a vote from the people.
ARROGANCE! You talk about arrogance and think some piddly district judge with jurisdiction over one-third of one state can invalidate a federal law? Just because he ruled how you liked? THAT is arrogance.

And I wonder if you know where Medicad money comes from and where it goes. "Baby-makers" and their children account for less than 25% of Medicaid costs. 75%(probably higher in Florida) goes to the care of the elderly. Do you understand the political power of the elderly in Florida?! Easy for you to say it "sounds dandy" to drop participation in the Medicaid program. I don't think those that have to face voters would agree.

You are correct that any state that wants to can tell the feds to keep their Medicaid money. I wonder why they don't. And because it is a voluntary program so there is no Constitutional conflict.
Congress Works For Us

Cleveland, OH

#16 Feb 10, 2011
itsjustaquestion wrote:
nope- that makes it 2 judges for/ and 2 judges against- not over til us supreme court rules on it
That's incorrect. You need a lesson in Constitutional law it seems.

In this last case, the judge ruled it unconstitutional, but did NOT issue a stay of the ruling pending appeal which judges often do. The 11th circuit court of appeals has also yet to issue a stay (and it may not do so either).

This means the law is null and void until a stay is issued.

A similar situation happened with Prop-8 in California when the judge also failed to issue a stay. In that case, however, the appeals court DID issue a stay (and extremely fast I might add), so the unconstitutionality of that ballot issue is still up in the air.
George

Hilliard, OH

#17 Feb 10, 2011
CIAMATO wrote:
Whether you like ObamaCare or not the "pro" people here are simply wrong about the order. There could be 100 judges who rule it constitutional and if ONE says it is not, and strikes down the entire law due to a lack of severability, then with or without an injunction there IS NO LAW until the SCOTUS rules.
Clinton, Bush, and now Obama play(ed)fast and loose with the balance of power. The branches have very difinitive powers, and the Executive MAY NOT OVERRULE the judicial. Period. The only way to supercede that is to obtain a stay- they have not.
Obama is now in full contempt of the BP ruling, openly, and continues to defy the judiciary in this case. I found it disturbing with his predecessors as well.
"Conservatives Lie"- Obama lies, and you swear by it. Sheeple. Get an education before you spout party line willful ignorance. All that outrage about Bush- you far lefties are the ultimate hypocrites.
TPT- you just sound dumb with your silly sarcasm. I'm embarrassed for you, really.
NO you are dumb. Each judges decision is only good for their district ONLY. So until the SCOTUS Rules ONLY THOSE DISTRICTS ARE AFFECTED period.
Bob

Kennesaw, GA

#18 Feb 11, 2011
Conservatives Lie wrote:
<quoted text>
You keep posting this moronic LIE every day...only to be told, over, and over again, that it is a 2-2 tie.
Dum-Bass!
Please tell us his lie, the bill was not severable according to the judge.
Bob

Kennesaw, GA

#19 Feb 11, 2011
SeparateChurchAndState wrote:
If the GOP is against health care reform, it's because the insurance companies that fund them are against it. The insurance and drug companies like things the way they were, with them in charge, the money flowing in, and any concern for the people or their health to be disregarded.
Remember--- Florida was bought for Rick Scott with anonymous Citizens United money to the same extent that Ohio was bought for John Kasich. You are going to see the real GOP agenda (support big money only) in both of these states, but you'll have to read between the lines....
The GOP will talk about abortion and patriotism and Jesus a lot, to make you think they're supporting the people, but their real "base" is corporations, banks, Wall Street, and insurance companies.
Of course insurance companies liked the idea of staying in business.
Tea Party Tim

Blacklick, OH

#20 Feb 11, 2011
Mykro wrote:
<quoted text>Nope, you got it all wrong. This is FloriDUH. Everyone here is brain dead. They voted the major Medicare ripoff artist in the whole country into the governors mansion.
Oh c'mon....Rick Scott's company only committed fourteen felonies and was fined just $1.7 billion (yes, BILLION) for Medicare fraud that occurred while he was in charge. That's not a big deal, is it?

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