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Amnesty International moves toward adopting pro-abortion policy

There are 19 comments on the The Florida Catholic story from Jun 2, 2006, titled Amnesty International moves toward adopting pro-abortion policy. In it, The Florida Catholic reports that:

"There were a diversity of views, but the majority of participants were in favor of moving in that direction," he said.

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Rocky Mountain

Fort Collins, CO

#1 Jun 3, 2006
It is always odd to me that a pro choice position becomes a pro abortion stance.
If somebody could enlighten me, I would appreciate that.
Thomas

Blue Ridge, TX

#2 Jun 3, 2006
Because it's a pro-"allowing abortions" or a pro-"fighting for legal abortions", which can be simplified with pro-"abortion."
Rocky Mountain

Fort Collins, CO

#3 Jun 3, 2006
Maybe but then it is a pro allowing people to make a choice rather then make a choice for them!
Thomas

Blue Ridge, TX

#4 Jun 3, 2006
But in order for you to be pro-"allowing a person to choose to have an abortion," you have to first be pro-"allowing abortions so someone can choose to have one." Which is the same as pro-"allowing abortions" which can be simplified with pro-"abortion."
Thomas

Blue Ridge, TX

#5 Jun 3, 2006
You have to be pro-abortion in order to be pro-choice. But if you're pro-abortion, that does not necessarily mean you're pro-choice (you can say people should be forced to have abortions, but only the most radical pro-abortionists argue for that).
Rocky Mountain

Fort Collins, CO

#6 Jun 3, 2006
For the sake of clarity, abortion is legal-so I'm not really allowing it since it legally available. You know Thomas I guess, I see a difference between pro abortion and pro choice. I think you can be pro choice and not personally be pro abortion.
Thomas

Blue Ridge, TX

#7 Jun 3, 2006
Rocky Mountain wrote:
For the sake of clarity, abortion is legal-so I'm not really allowing it since it legally available.


I said, "But in order for you to be pro-"allowing a person to choose to have an abortion," you have to first be pro-"allowing abortions so someone can choose to have one." Which is the same as pro-"allowing abortions" which can be simplified with pro-"abortion."

You're right that abortion is currently legal, but I gather from previous comments that you believe it should remain legal, so women can choose to have them. There is a strong debate in this country whether or not it should remain legal. By voicing your opinion in support of legalized abortion, you are being pro-"legalized abortion," which is the same as pro-"allowing abortion," because if it were illegal, society wouldn't be allowing abortion. Pro-"allowing abortion" can be simplified as pro-abortion.

Laws are only in effect as long as there is someone that is fighting to keep them, unless there is nobody fighting to repeal them. Right now, there are plenty of people fighting to repeal the case law that allows abortion, so at this point we must choose sides. You can either be 1) completely indifferent and not even join the debate, 2) Against laws that legalize abortion or 3) For laws that legalize abortion. There are of course various levels of support for each position, but those are the three basic positions.

By being pro-"Choice," you are clearly in the third category, because you favor the presence of a law that allows abortion. As I said before, that would be pro-"[legally] allowing abortions so someone can choose to have one," which is the same as pro-"allowing abortions," which can be simplified with pro-"abortion."
Rocky Mountain wrote:
You know Thomas I guess, I see a difference between pro abortion and pro choice. I think you can be pro choice and not personally be pro abortion.
I'm sorry but I do not understand this difference. You haven't refuted my argument or given me any reason to think that there logically is a difference between the too.
Rocky Mountain

Fort Collins, CO

#8 Jun 3, 2006
Thomas, I still don't see that pro choice and pro abortion are the same. Yes, I am pro choice,I do favor a law that allows each person to choose. I have my own opinion about what that choice should be, but do I want to force that on another, no, I don't.
You may be correct that there are enough people who want the right to an abortion illegal, personally I do not think that abortion will go the way of say prohibition, which was law for 13 years, so Roe V Wade has been around a bit longer.
Rocky Mountain

Fort Collins, CO

#9 Jun 3, 2006
I already feel that freedoms are being eroded in our country. I don't personally like that abortion exist, but it does and people do have a choice. We don't all agree on this issue, gays, guns and roses but that is why we discourse on a thread, right? I am actually a big Cardinal Bernadine devotee, seamless garment kind of guy.
Crance

East Bernstadt, KY

#10 Jun 4, 2006
Is it possible to be truly "TOLERANT" and not include the rights of unborn children?
Kat

Dauphin, Canada

#11 Jun 21, 2006
Using the term "pro-abortion" to describe someone who is "pro-choice" is just a way to make people who believe in a choice look evil in the eyes of those who don't. It's the same logic that says that those who are "anti-choice" are "pro-life". Everyone is pro-life, to say that you aren't is ridiculous. I like life, it's been good so far. To describe those who feel that women should have a choice as "pro-abortion" is also just as ridiculous. I'm pro-choice, not because I think that abortions are good, but for the simple reason that I feel it should be a choice for each individual woman. Being pro-choice means that one believes that women have the right to choose. Period. Be that adoption, motherhood, or abortion. "Every child a wanted child, every mother a willing mother".
Thomas

New York, NY

#12 Jun 21, 2006
Kat wrote:
Using the term "pro-abortion" to describe someone who is "pro-choice" is just a way to make people who believe in a choice look evil in the eyes of those who don't. It's the same logic that says that those who are "anti-choice" are "pro-life". Everyone is pro-life, to say that you aren't is ridiculous. I like life, it's been good so far. To describe those who feel that women should have a choice as "pro-abortion" is also just as ridiculous. I'm pro-choice, not because I think that abortions are good, but for the simple reason that I feel it should be a choice for each individual woman. Being pro-choice means that one believes that women have the right to choose. Period. Be that adoption, motherhood, or abortion. "Every child a wanted child, every mother a willing mother".
Pro-choice is the shortened version of pro-"people should be able to choose to have an abortion." No? In order for pro-"people should be able to choose to have an abortion," they first have to be pro-"laws that allow abortion, so people can choose what they want to do." This can be shorted to pro-"laws that allow abortion," because the reason for wanting to allow abortion isn't all that important. The important thing is that they want abortion to be allowed. Pro-"laws that allow abortion" can be shortened to pro-"abortion." Thus, pro-choice in the case of abortion, is pro-abortion. Of course, I'm pro-choice on other topics, like being able to choose where you go to school, what you eat, etc. But pro-choice, when used concerning the topic of abortion, is essentially pro-abortion.

I can't remember where, but I had this discussion with someone else on a different thread.
Thomas

New York, NY

#13 Jun 21, 2006
Haha. Actually, I lied. It's on THIS thread!
Gabey

Mitcham, UK

#14 Mar 6, 2007
Thomas is right, if you are allowing for the choice of abortion, you are complicit in approving abortion as a choice even if you personally would not choose it for yourself.

Of course you may still react to the label "pro-abortion" negatively in the sense that it has been historically used to stereotype those approving of the choice to abort as "abortion-pushing" or "anti-life" or immoral or what have you.

Also although you can say pro-choice does encompass pro-abortion, pro-abortion doesn't fully represent the pro-choice viewpoint, as pro-choice implies the right to chose not to have an abortion as well.

Regarding labels, I personally feel that objecting to them can perpetuate their potential derogatory harm, and the term pro-abortion doesn't need to be a negative one. But not all feel this way.
Galin

Edmonton, Canada

#15 Mar 4, 2008
Thomas your gayyy hahahaaa
Galin

Edmonton, Canada

#16 Mar 4, 2008
by the wayy your sexy,
we should get together sometimee. ehh
Galin

Edmonton, Canada

#17 Mar 4, 2008
have your ever done anal beforee,
well if not then cal me
pleaseeee
we can be together all day
bobthebuilder

United States

#18 Jul 14, 2008
let's see, Amnesty International..... pro- getting involved in Darfur directly or indirectly, Anti-military contractor who would be manufacturing the equipment to go to Darfur, anti-death penalty for murderers, Anti-taser for people who resist arrest, and pro-abortion of innocent children. Lot of consistency here.
Gotta tell me,... is it the goal of AI to get people so disheartened with our country and world that people will be asking for BIG BROTHER to watch over them every moment of the day.
shank

Winnipeg, Canada

#19 Jul 18, 2008
It`s just like the global warming myth. Global warming=more control over the poulation.

Read both sides of the debate people.

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