Janesville Debate: Dissecting Ryan's Claim, Obama's 'Promise' & The Facts

Aug 30, 2012 Full story: National Public Radio 71

Weeds were already growing in the parking lot outside the GM assembly plant in Janesville, Wis., on May 4, 2009.

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Sheik Yerbouti

Warrington, PA

#1 Aug 30, 2012
Simple facts don't mean a thing to right wingers!

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#2 Aug 30, 2012
Sheik Yerbouti wrote:
Simple facts don't mean a thing to right wingers!
Jim Messina, the campaign manager for Obama for America, wasn't mincing words Thursday morning.

In a fundraising email blasted out at 4:37 a.m., he said flat-out that GOP vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan "lied" about Medicare and the stimulus bill in his convention speech the night before.

Messina and the Democrats are zeroing in on two particular aspects of Ryan's 36-minute address, as Mitt Romney prepares for his own nomination address.

The first passage concerns what was once the largest employer in Ryan's hometown of Janesville, Wis.

"A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said:'I believe that if our government is there to support you, this plant will be here for another hundred years.' That's what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn't last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day," Ryan said.

It is true that President Obama, when he was running for president in February 2008, toured the GM plant in Janesville. But Democrats point out that the plant actually closed in December of that year, under President George W. Bush -- who in that same month authorized an emergency loan of $14 billion to GM and Chrysler.

That was not enough to prevent GM from moving forward with plans it had already announced: to shutter the Janesville facility and lay off its remaining 1,200 workers.

His aides point out -- and GM confirms -- that the plant was not shut down per se but idled, meaning it could be reactivated at any time.

However, nothing Ryan said in his speech about the plant was factually untrue.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/30/fa...

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#3 Aug 30, 2012
Obama's life story a lie..........absolutely. Eighteen distortions in his own books.
xnutmegger

Phoenix, AZ

#4 Aug 30, 2012
Read the story before jumping to any partisan conclusions.
Gary

Bellingham, WA

#5 Aug 30, 2012
It's a no-brainer. The plant shut down before Obama was president and he made no promises.

Ryan is a born liar, which is prerequisite number 1
for being a conservative.
xnutmegger

Phoenix, AZ

#6 Aug 30, 2012
Gary wrote:
It's a no-brainer. The plant shut down before Obama was president and he made no promises.
Ryan is a born liar, which is prerequisite number 1
for being a conservative.
Obviously you live in that vast LEFTY ' Information bubble ' even when the article is front and center.

Maybe you can have one of your HANDLERS read it aloud to you , why don't you ask ?

“Old 16th Graveyard hole”

Since: Nov 11

Philadelphia, PA

#7 Aug 30, 2012
"Janesville Assembly Plant is an automobile factory owned by General Motors located in Janesville, Wisconsin. Opened in 1919, it was the oldest operating GM plant when it was largely idled in December 2008, and ceased any production in April 2009."

This is from the plants own information. Ryan was right, it was open when Obama took office in Jan. 2009 and he DID promise to keep it open. He didn't. End of conversation.

“Old 16th Graveyard hole”

Since: Nov 11

Philadelphia, PA

#8 Aug 30, 2012
Gary wrote:
It's a no-brainer. The plant shut down before Obama was president and he made no promises.
Ryan is a born liar, which is prerequisite number 1
for being a conservative.
No it didn't, not according to the plants own records, it closed for good in APRIL 2009. Spin away, the plant was open when Obama took office and he had promised to keep it open, he didn't.
helpdefeatobama

Sheridan, AR

#9 Aug 30, 2012
he did not lie he said the plant did not last another year and it did not.
xnutmegger

Phoenix, AZ

#10 Aug 30, 2012
GM has the plant classified as idle....it's still waiting for Obama's GM bailout to direct retooling funds to it. Tic-toc , tic-toc , tic-toc.
Tony

Broken Arrow, OK

#12 Aug 30, 2012
Republicans are helping US Auto makers set up manufacturing plants in China.

“Happiness comes through giving”

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#13 Aug 30, 2012
Republicans have been conning the people for decades. Ryan doesn't dare roll up his political sleeves.

“Allcladrad”

Since: Jan 10

Port Isabel, TX

#14 Aug 30, 2012
Larry,
The plant closed in April of 2009. This is simple stuff, why lie or claim others did?

Speak, then seek the truth, what a concept. Worse is when they find the truth the ignore it and move on.

You know politics is a bad deal yet cling to the idea that somehow your vote purified your selections?
imaginaryfriend

Garden City, MI

#15 Aug 30, 2012
Paul Ryan is a liar. He wants to kill Medicare and control the rights of women. He, Paul Ryan, co-sponsored several bills with Todd Akin. He, and the entire GOP are spiteful liars.

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#16 Aug 31, 2012
Sheik Yerbouti wrote:
Simple facts don't mean a thing to right wingers!
I believe Ryan. Who's going to believe an Obamoloney eatin', Joe Biden loving, idiot like you?
Responsibility

San Mateo, CA

#17 Aug 31, 2012
Eighthman wrote:
<quoted text>I believe Ryan.
Good for you for believing in lies and misfacts.

If you checked the misfacts coming out of Ryan's mouth, you might question your beliefs.

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#18 Aug 31, 2012
Gary wrote:
It's a no-brainer. The plant shut down before Obama was president and he made no promises.
Ryan is a born liar, which is prerequisite number 1
for being a conservative.
Lie. the plant was still producing trucks......If your comment was factual.......how come ObamaMotors didn't reopen it as Obama promised........

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#19 Aug 31, 2012
Responsibility wrote:
<quoted text>
Good for you for believing in lies and misfacts.
If you checked the misfacts coming out of Ryan's mouth, you might question your beliefs.
'Obama Trying Ideas People Came To America To Get Away From'...

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#20 Aug 31, 2012
imaginaryfriend wrote:
Paul Ryan is a liar. He wants to kill Medicare and control the rights of women. He, Paul Ryan, co-sponsored several bills with Todd Akin. He, and the entire GOP are spiteful liars.
Prove it maggot......hurry, you have to go flash the play ground soon.

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#21 Aug 31, 2012
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
Republicans have been conning the people for decades. Ryan doesn't dare roll up his political sleeves.
Your stupidity is only out distanced by your lies. Try behind door number 2.

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