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Thompson: Obama speech sets tone for reform

There are 31 comments on the Eureka Times Standard story from Sep 10, 2009, titled Thompson: Obama speech sets tone for reform. In it, Eureka Times Standard reports that:

President Barack Obama, in a speech to a joint session of Congress and millions of Americans watching at home, declared his determination Wednesday to see health care reform to a successful conclusion despite the controversy that has surrounded the issue.

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Redneck

Yolo, CA

#1 Sep 10, 2009
Obama in the Anti Christ.

Those that don't work for a living don't pay for health insurance, why should we go into debt to pay for these people.

very few working people go bankrupt because of need for health care. Those people should ask for donations from the wealthy.

I am a working person and before I buy anything I don't need, I pay for insurance for my medical .

It is where people choose to spend their money they work for .

Those that don't work , should not be entitled to it for free.

I am sick to death of paying for their food, their kids' food, clothing , cell phones , rent, legal aide, and other things .

Put America to work . If they don't want to work, they get nothing.

I do not feel sorry like the Liberals for those who choose to get on drugs, alcohol or thing a low paying job is not good enough for them.
We all have choices.

The low lives are entitled to go to school, get free lunches and an education with my hard earned money (taxes).
I am sick of it.
I can't afford to send my kids to college because my income is just over the line to get free this and that, including college for my kids yet the ones who don't work at all, get all the free stuff.

What the hell is that?

Obama.......get out of free enterprise and my business.

Obama got a free ticket to college and look what we have? A man with a free ride still taking from those that work for a living~
Grover

Yolo, CA

#2 Sep 10, 2009
I second that motion!
No One Important

Wayne, IL

#3 Sep 10, 2009
Fannie, Freddie, Post Office, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaide, FDIC, etc.

And Obama is trying to say this plan wont add to the deficit?

Puuuhhhllleeeezuh...do we really believe him?

As Thomas Sowell said, why is it going to take 4 years?

If it IS so urgent, why not let the americans "experience" his vision BEFORE his next presidential run?

If it ISN'T important enough to enact before 4 years, they WHY the rush?

Why NOT allow a full and open debate on the floor, congressional open committees if it is SO important but not important enough to enact within 4 years....

Common sense questions that Obama and the DEMOCRATS should be demanded they answer BEFORE they touch a SINGLE thing in our system.
Middle-o-the-str ea m

Arcata, CA

#4 Sep 10, 2009
this guy is a liar. that is just the plain simple fact. If you believe otherwise you are an idiot. And you are a leach on society. And you want something for nothing. You are being duped. If we let this clown turn our country into a socialist eurostate, we will louse all our freedoms.

obama is a king-ring kissing, jimmy carter socialist. Lets all have a beer and talk about what we have in common.

Since: Sep 09

Woodland, CA

#5 Sep 10, 2009
Dear Frightened Tools of the Right:

It's time you read some serious thought from serious thinking people. No, I'm not talking subliminal messages here. I'm talking reading. No, not direction from Rush, Karl Rove, Mark Wilson (he of Argentine Mango Fandango fame), not Faggy Joe Wilson (he of "shout out" fame, nor your favorive California Assemblyman Mike Duvall (R)(he of "if my age divided by two plus seven years falls within ten years of the lobbyist I'm banging, then it's not a conflict of interest"), but well thought out articulated messages from thinking people. Here we go clones:

First, President Obama:

Now is the time to deliver on health care.
The time for bickering is over. The time for games has passed. Now is the season for action. Now is when we must bring the best ideas of both parties together, and show the American people that we can still do what we were sent here to do.

But what we have also seen in these last months is the same partisan spectacle that only hardens the disdain many Americans have toward their own government. Instead of honest debate, we have seen scare tactics. Some have dug into unyielding ideological camps that offer no hope of compromise. Too many have used this as an opportunity to score short-term political points, even if it robs the country of our opportunity to solve a long-term challenge. And out of this blizzard of charges and counter-charges, confusion has reigned.

From the editorial staff of the North Coast Journal…

The Tea Party protests are principally organized by two lobbyist-run groups: Americans for Prosperity and Freedom Works. Freedom Works is run by corporate lobbyist Dick Armey whose firm lobbies for life insurance companies and big pharmaceutical companies. Armey is, of course, lobbying against health care reform and insurance regulation as are all the lobbyists behind these two groups. These groups supply the Tea Party-ists with ideas for signs and press releases and much more. Most importantly, they recruit people who don't know they are being recruited and they convince them that health reform is a bad idea. They've created a series of lies that incorporate "hot flash" words such as euthanasia, abortion, socialism, loss of control, etc.

The health industry is waging an all out war against change; they have a lot to lose. The head of Cigna earned over $12 million last year. There are six lobbyists for every member of Congress and they are threatening Congress people and/or buying them. The health industry is spending $1.4 million/day on lobbying to defeat reform. If the proposed ideas for health reform are so bad why are they running scared?
We Americans need to start educating ourselves. We need to stop believing anything that has an American flag flying behind it. Health care reform is a critical necessity and we need an educated public to make good choices. We don't need the emotionally charged and manipulative nonsense being fed by the conservatives to the public.

Again, President Obama:

Our collective failure to meet this challenge - year after year, decade after decade - has led us to a breaking point. Everyone understands the extraordinary hardships that are placed on the uninsured, who live every day just one accident or illness away from bankruptcy. These are not primarily people on welfare. These are middle-class Americans.

Yes, Redneck / Grover (Grower(?)- did I get that right?, not even middle-class Americans are affected, but low-class Americans like yourselves are too.
Domino 21

Napa, CA

#6 Sep 10, 2009
Mr Thompson, I never listened to Bush speeches and I won't listen to Obama's. I do wish someone went and told Obama that the campaign is over and that it is time for him to do some work. And while you're speaking to him let him know that if the election were held today he would lose.

Obama is just another stupid politician, don't buy the hype.
Gdog

United States

#7 Sep 10, 2009
Domino 21 wrote:
Mr Thompson, I never listened to Bush speeches and I won't listen to Obama's.
This makes you ignorant by your own choice.

And while you're speaking to him let him know that if the election were held today he would lose.
And we're supposed to believe someone as ignorant as you?
Anonyme

United States

#8 Sep 10, 2009
Domino 21 wrote:
Mr Thompson, I never listened to Bush speeches and I won't listen to Obama's. I do wish someone went and told Obama that the campaign is over and that it is time for him to do some work. And while you're speaking to him let him know that if the election were held today he would lose.
Obama is just another stupid politician, don't buy the hype.
So you don't listen to the speeches? Not even read the text? I didn't like GW's speeches either. The smirk was really too much. But even though reading the text of his utterances would give me hives, I still read it. To be fully informed of what that absolute scoundrel was up to...
Wonderz

Eureka, CA

#9 Sep 10, 2009
Domino 21 wrote:
Mr Thompson, I never listened to Bush speeches and I won't listen to Obama's. I do wish someone went and told Obama that the campaign is over and that it is time for him to do some work. And while you're speaking to him let him know that if the election were held today he would lose.
Obama is just another stupid politician, don't buy the hype.
Gawd, yer dumb...
Wonderz

Eureka, CA

#10 Sep 10, 2009
Middle-o-the-strea m wrote:
this guy is a liar. that is just the plain simple fact. If you believe otherwise you are an idiot. And you are a leach on society. And you want something for nothing. You are being duped. If we let this clown turn our country into a socialist eurostate, we will louse all our freedoms.
obama is a king-ring kissing, jimmy carter socialist. Lets all have a beer and talk about what we have in common.
Didn't listen to the speech, did you? Or read it?
Wonderz

Eureka, CA

#11 Sep 10, 2009
Who actually listened to his speech and still objects to reform? I'd like to hear from those people.

I think that anyone who rejects health care reform without really studying the issues is anything but a patriot. They are I.me.mine idiot dinosaurs. Same for anyone who, with out studying the issues, distrusts his President.
Deja Vu

Santa Rosa, CA

#12 Sep 10, 2009
Patty Welch can keep her corporate insurance under the new bill. She can continue to enjoy its roulette wheel with only 3-slots, one of those slots will be a denial from her insurer. Why stick to the facts when a lie will do Ms. Welch? Every mainstream poll shows nearly 75% of Americans favoring universal health care coverage like the rest of the industrialized world. It's a national disgrace that over half of U.S. bankruptcies are due to illness, and most of those have "insurance"!

It's HILARIOUS to read local republican criticism of our president's excellent communication skills. Once elected, you could hear a collective sigh of relief in America.

The last idiot left a mess that could take decades to repair.

It's especially ironic to read Rural republican's anti-socialist rants considering that the rural areas have historically needed, and received, huge benefits from state and federal agencies.
Karin Fresnel

United States

#13 Sep 10, 2009
Patricia Welch, chairwoman of Humboldt County's Republican Party makes statements that, had she read the bill sponsored by Thompson, or attended the "town hall" meeting last week (and listened if she did), she would know that the proposed reform is premium driven (like current health care policies) NOT tax driven, that it will provide for closure of the "donut hole" in Medicare PArt D, that it will provide health care options including public option (again - PREMIUM driven, not taxes)

In other words, it's not a "...government takeover of health care that will be paid for with over $800 billion in new taxes,...".

As for bi-partisanship - sadly, as usual, whatever party does not like what the other party is proposing they are quick to provide misinformation, point out fault, but slow to propose solutions. I see little difference here, particularly from the Ms. Welch or the esteemed gentleman from the south also quoted in this article.
Wife

Monrovia, CA

#14 Sep 10, 2009
I have a question. I would like the informed people here, Salty Tim, Deja Vu and Wonderz, to please answer some questions I have been unable to get. My son has no insurance coverage, no job and is 21 years old. Since Obama said everyone will have to get health coverage, how can he pay for this health coverage? We are barely able to cover the mandatory car insurance for him, and I haven't worked in 9 months. I have tried and tried to get some answers but no one has one. And no, we can't afford Cobra and I couldn't cover him anyway. HELP!
Wonderz

Eureka, CA

#15 Sep 10, 2009
Wife wrote:
I have a question. I would like the informed people here, Salty Tim, Deja Vu and Wonderz, to please answer some questions I have been unable to get. My son has no insurance coverage, no job and is 21 years old. Since Obama said everyone will have to get health coverage, how can he pay for this health coverage? We are barely able to cover the mandatory car insurance for him, and I haven't worked in 9 months. I have tried and tried to get some answers but no one has one. And no, we can't afford Cobra and I couldn't cover him anyway. HELP!
Wish I was informed enough to have your answer. I've also wondered cuz I have a 19-year-old son with no insurance. I'll try some researching and get back to ya.
Middle-o-the-roa d

Roy, WA

#16 Sep 10, 2009
Domino 21 wrote:
Mr Thompson, I never listened to Bush speeches and I won't listen to Obama's. I do wish someone went and told Obama that the campaign is over and that it is time for him to do some work. And while you're speaking to him let him know that if the election were held today he would lose.
Obama is just another stupid politician, don't buy the hype.
O.K, let's have the election today. Same players, right. Only now we know that sara palin is a stupid liar who thinks Africa is a country, she can see Russia from her porch and most telling of all, she's a quitter.

Yep, I'm sure the standard brain-dead, non-critical thinking, neo-con hypocrites would "stand by their man (and ignorant woman)” and vote for mccain again butt I think if a vote were taken today Obama would win by an even greater percentage.
Middle-o-the-roa d

San Mateo, CA

#17 Sep 10, 2009
Wife and Wonderz,

After watching the speech "several" times last night, I've concluded that those who are unemployed will be allowed to get Medicare medicale more easily than previously permitted. This would cover your relatives plus my oldest son who is in the same boat

My take on the speech, while it was in the right direction, I think he was way too soft on the people who have openly said that they want "no" health-care reform, no matter what.

Tort reform, what a joke! Tort reform to the right means you can’t sue your doctor if you go in for a mastectomy on a breast and the doctor gives you a hysterectomy. Other then the patriot act, tort reform is the largest attack on personal freedom (Americans right to redress) in the history of this country.

And off subject, kind-of; the supreme court is hearing a case backed by the repubicans that will give American corporations “owned by FOREIGN governments/people” the same rights as American citizens!

Talk about selling out America to the chi-coms, communists socialists and the rest of the dictators in the world, WOW!

Salt Point was great last weekend, lot of big abalone, fun with the grandkids on the beach, good local produce at the street fair........

Top of the day to you!
Wonderz

Eureka, CA

#18 Sep 10, 2009
Middle-o-the-road wrote:
Wife and Wonderz,
After watching the speech "several" times last night, I've concluded that those who are unemployed will be allowed to get Medicare medicale more easily than previously permitted. This would cover your relatives plus my oldest son who is in the same boat
My take on the speech, while it was in the right direction, I think he was way too soft on the people who have openly said that they want "no" health-care reform, no matter what.
Tort reform, what a joke! Tort reform to the right means you can’t sue your doctor if you go in for a mastectomy on a breast and the doctor gives you a hysterectomy. Other then the patriot act, tort reform is the largest attack on personal freedom (Americans right to redress) in the history of this country.
And off subject, kind-of; the supreme court is hearing a case backed by the repubicans that will give American corporations “owned by FOREIGN governments/people” the same rights as American citizens!
Talk about selling out America to the chi-coms, communists socialists and the rest of the dictators in the world, WOW!
Salt Point was great last weekend, lot of big abalone, fun with the grandkids on the beach, good local produce at the street fair........
Top of the day to you!
MOR, thank you and I hope you're right. It would be so easy to add the unemployed to Medi-cal here in California, and monitor their working status every month so that they could start contributing once they are employed. All of the infrastructure is in place already, you'd just have to change the criteria.

After all, what good does it do to this nation for, say, my nephew, who has something wrong in his ribs, to avoid a doctor because he fears a big doctor's bill? He's probably just making it worse by dawdling, but he won't listen to me. He's an otherwise healthy young man who can't afford health insurance. Does that mean he shouldn't have any?

Since: Sep 09

Woodland, CA

#21 Sep 10, 2009
Wife wrote:
I have a question. I would like the informed people here, Salty Tim, Deja Vu and Wonderz, to please answer some questions I have been unable to get. My son has no insurance coverage, no job and is 21 years old. Since Obama said everyone will have to get health coverage, how can he pay for this health coverage? We are barely able to cover the mandatory car insurance for him, and I haven't worked in 9 months. I have tried and tried to get some answers but no one has one. And no, we can't afford Cobra and I couldn't cover him anyway. HELP!
"Wife": I don't have the answer to your question and it's clear the proposals lack all the details. After all, the President called for a bi-partisan effort to work these issues out but it appears he is getting little but resistance from the Republican side of the aisle. He did mention that there could a "hardship waiver" for those individuals who could not afford coverage but I do not know if that would apply to your son's situation or not. I certainly agree with the following statement made by the President last night:

"Our collective failure to meet this challenge - year after year, decade after decade - has led us to a breaking point. Everyone understands the extraordinary hardships that are placed on the uninsured, who live every day just one accident or illness away from bankruptcy. These are not primarily people on welfare. These are middle-class Americans. Some can't get insurance on the job. Others are self-employed, and can't afford it, since buying insurance on your own costs you three times as much as the coverage you get from your employer. Many other Americans who are willing and able to pay are still denied insurance due to previous illnesses or conditions that insurance companies decide are too risky or expensive to cover."

I believe that if the Democrats can't pull this off now, it will be decades before health care reform will occur. Republicans have certainly demonstrated an inability to manage government in this regard - check out the boondoggle Bush left seniors in with his Part D Medicare legislation.

Good luck to you.

Salty Tim
reader

United States

#22 Sep 10, 2009
""I am not the first president to take up this cause, but I am determined to be the last," said Obama."

Good! Then this will be the last time this attempt at further socialization of the United States will take place? One should hope so.

And then this zinger immediately follows:

"Obama said that the government's inability to pass meaningful health care reform has put the country into crisis."

What I find most amazing is just how good liberals are at manipulating the truth and creating an atmosphere of fear to control people. Health care: State there is a crises in health care. Global climate/energy: State there is a global warming crises. There never are any facts to back up the liberal crises du jour. That's just how progressives "accomplish" their progress.

Gee, it's 2009. 44 years since Lyndon Baines Johnson coined the term "Great Socitey". Just drive down Third Street to see LBJ's dream realized.

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