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Bobby Jindal: I'm fine with teaching creationism in public schools

There are 357 comments on the Salon story from Apr 16, 2013, titled Bobby Jindal: I'm fine with teaching creationism in public schools. In it, Salon reports that:

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal says that he wouldn't mind if public school students were taught creationism and intelligent design in addition to evolution, as long as it's "the best science." In an interview on NBC, Jindal, a Republican, said: "Bottom line, at the end of the day, we want our kids to be exposed to the best facts.

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Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#62 Apr 26, 2013
CBOW wrote:
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Yes, are they not part of our history? The Civil war is taught in a biased fashion in public schools and you know it. They would be wise to skip it, since it's not politically correct unless they slant it to a liberal viewpoint.
lol! What slant would you prefer to have son?

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Since: May 08

Orlando

#63 Apr 26, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>Yet, I have noticed the attack seems to be isolated to the God of Abraham. So why attack Him if you "promote the teaching of All religions". Deists believe that a God or Entity created the world and then "walked" away, leaving us to our own devices. Is that a possibility to you? That would also be ID.
This being an "Evolution vs Creationism/ID" forum, we've seen virtually NO Deists, Muslims, Shinto, or other faiths here attempting to -- and failing to -- discredit the Theory of Evolution.

In fact, MOST mainstream Christians accept the ToE as the best explanation for the diversity of life on Earth.

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#64 Apr 26, 2013
CBOW wrote:
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History is what it falls under. To ignore the fact the creationism and intelligent design aren't worthy of teaching indicates the need to brainwash the children with liberal ideals. Oh wait, that's what public schooling is all about. Indoctrination! Libturds bellyache that church indoctrinates, but public school is just as guilty since it insists that everyone is equal.
Did you study Paranoia 101?
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#65 Apr 26, 2013
CBOW wrote:
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Old and tired in the sense that you post the same tired old rhetoric that holds little to no interest. I knew you were young, life hasn't kicked you in the crotch enough yet. Don't worry, you won't get away with your gonads intact, I promise you.
Well let's see... you made the claim the civil war was taught as being biased. woodtick57 asked in what way.

And you simply bail on the point you brought up.

Seems you have a problem with things other than your opinion, son.
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#66 Apr 26, 2013
CBOW wrote:
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If the Civil War was taught based on the real reasons for it, I wouldn't have brought it up. The public school system biases history if it is unappealing to the liberals. The interest I had in black magic and voodoo and the like were materials I sought out myself. From a human historical standpoint, they were very interesting, just as the Old Testament is now. I live by the New Testament, Jesus's teachings are far more advanced and civilized, wouldn't you agree?
You do know that man decided what books to put in The Bible, right son?

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#67 Apr 26, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>yet there are no facts at all to support either creationism nor ID. not one single fact.
there is actually nothing that could be taught out side of pure mythical religious dogma, which has no place in our public schools or rational society as a whole.
I don't mind Creationism being taught as a belief system, just not as fact.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#68 Apr 26, 2013
CBOW wrote:
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Yet, I have noticed the attack seems to be isolated to the God of Abraham. So why attack Him if you "promote the teaching of All religions".
Because that's the one that keeps on getting brought up.(shrug) Ain't my fault that most IDCers around these parts are of the Abrahamic variety.
CBOW wrote:
Deists believe that a God or Entity created the world and then "walked" away, leaving us to our own devices. Is that a possibility to you? That would also be ID.
That it would. But any and all religious beliefs are irrelevant to science, period. Which is why I have no problem with people having religious beliefs. However if they start claiming those beliefs are valid and present no evidence then I will point it out. In fact many religious people understand the difference between their own religious opinions and verifiable science. Katy and Dogen are prime examples, both of which you would mistake for atheists if you came across them despite them both being Christian. The problems occur when religious people start claiming that their baseless religious opinions are somehow relevant to PUBLIC school education. If you wanna personally tell your kids dumb stuff like Adam and Eve are real then that's your right. But it ends when the Government is paying for that.

While you in particular notice me on only one or two threads around here, others who know me better know that people's beliefs are irrelevant. Just like Kong here and a whole host of others, we take down Christian creationists, Muslim creationists, Jewish creationists, SDA creationists, Hindi Vedec creationists, Raellians, IDers, deists, UFO nuts, scientologists, nihilists, moon-landing deniers, AIDS deniers, anti-science cranks, whatever. We've seen it all. You being a Christian creationist will only take note of the perceived "attacks" on Christianity because persecution complex is an integral part of your belief system.

That's NOT our problem.

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#69 Apr 26, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Yes defamatory, like saying teaching creationism in public school is illegal. And false.
There is no foundation for what you guys call Creationism. But why stop there? Why not also teach Flat Earthism, Cheesemoonism, Palmistry, Astrology, Numerology, and any other form of ignorant nonsense that some mentally challenged loonies come up with?

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Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#70 Apr 26, 2013
CBOW wrote:
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If the Civil War was taught based on the real reasons for it, I wouldn't have brought it up.
OK, I'll bite. What are the real reasons for the Civil War?

(I haven't done this one in a while)
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#71 Apr 26, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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This being an "Evolution vs Creationism/ID" forum, we've seen virtually NO Deists, Muslims, Shinto, or other faiths here attempting to -- and failing to -- discredit the Theory of Evolution.
MUQ - Muslim fundie.

Shibolet (atheist forum) potential deist, or at appears to be arguing from a non-denominational creationist standpoint.

Shadow - science crank and nihilist.

greenJ - Jewish YEC.

And we've had white supremacist evolutionists and pretty sure we've had at least one Hindu (non-Abrahamic God) creationist on a drive-by.

They all earn the same amount of ire from us no matter what particular flavour their anti-science stance is.

CBOW wouldn't notice, but then CBOW's speciality is not in noticing things.

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Since: May 08

Orlando

#72 Apr 26, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>OK, I'll bite. What are the real reasons for the Civil War?

(I haven't done this one in a while)
(I'd like to see 'Infinite Force' tie ALIENS into the Civil War. But perhaps thats just the beer talking! Cheers!)

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Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#73 Apr 26, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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(I'd like to see 'Infinite Force' tie ALIENS into the Civil War. But perhaps thats just the beer talking! Cheers!)
Cheers!

(MikeF orders another Yuengling}
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#74 Apr 26, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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(I'd like to see 'Infinite Force' tie ALIENS into the Civil War. But perhaps thats just the beer talking! Cheers!)
I'm sure he could. Unfortunately he seems to have been abducted again.

:-(
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#75 Apr 26, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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I'm sure he could. Unfortunately he seems to have been abducted again.
:-(
Absconded! Abducted means getting kidnapped.:)
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#76 Apr 26, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>I don't mind Creationism being taught as a belief system, just not as fact.
I bet you don't believe in gravity too!

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#77 Apr 26, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>I bet you don't believe in gravity too!
I think the law of gravity should be repealed.

I also think you could use a little brushup on your reading comprehension.

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#78 Apr 26, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>I think the law of gravity should be repealed.
I also think you could use a little brushup on your reading comprehension.
Re: my previous post--
Unless you were joking, in which case, a thousand pardons.
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#79 Apr 26, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>I think the law of gravity should be repealed.
I also think you could use a little brushup on your reading comprehension.
Why son? You're trying to bring science into the religious camp and by claiminng equality, "prove" science should be based on the same criteria as religion.

You read a book and create faith from there.

Science tries to write the book and it gets rewritten if necesary.

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#80 Apr 26, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>Why son? You're trying to bring science into the religious camp and by claiminng equality, "prove" science should be based on the same criteria as religion.
You read a book and create faith from there.
Science tries to write the book and it gets rewritten if necesary.
Are you sure you're writing to the right person? What I said was that Creationism should not be taught as fact. I don't mind it being described in schools as a belief system that some people adhere to, but with no scientific foundation.

What precisely is your problem with that?
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#81 Apr 26, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>Are you sure you're writing to the right person? What I said was that Creationism should not be taught as fact. I don't mind it being described in schools as a belief system that some people adhere to, but with no scientific foundation.
What precisely is your problem with that?
My error. And my apologies.

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