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Bobby Jindal: I'm fine with teaching creationism in public schools

There are 357 comments on the Salon story from Apr 16, 2013, titled Bobby Jindal: I'm fine with teaching creationism in public schools. In it, Salon reports that:

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal says that he wouldn't mind if public school students were taught creationism and intelligent design in addition to evolution, as long as it's "the best science." In an interview on NBC, Jindal, a Republican, said: "Bottom line, at the end of the day, we want our kids to be exposed to the best facts.

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The Great Iron Dictator

Podgorica, Montenegro

#225 May 20, 2013
Liberalism is Mental Disorder!
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#226 May 20, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I mean tests on climate, there's
You're in the wrong thread, kitten-hater.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#227 May 20, 2013
The Great Iron Dictator wrote:
Liberalism is Mental Disorder!
You too, numbnuts.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#228 May 20, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I mean tests on climate, there's never been an experiment that shows any man made climate change. I agree, there are experiments on the greenhouse effect in the lab but that doesn't show how much man made CO2 it takes to change the global temperature. In fact, if you just look at the lab experiments, climate CO2 sensitivity is far lower than the IPCC's most benign guesses. That's why they use 'climate feedback', which has never been experimentally tested either.
what facts make you think it would work any differently in our atmosphere? what studies show CO2 does not act as a greenhouse gas?

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Since: Dec 06

Lebanon, PA

#229 May 20, 2013
The Great Iron Dictator wrote:
Liberalism is Mental Disorder!
Well, that proves it! Evolution is definitely not real! Thanks for that great evidence!

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

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#230 May 20, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
what facts make you think it would work any differently in our atmosphere? what studies show CO2 does not act as a greenhouse gas?
I mean, climate is a complex and chaotic system, it doesn't act like a test tube. The best experimental demonstrations of CO2's greenhouse effect I've found, shows a very low warming effect, less than the IPCC's most benign guess.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#231 May 20, 2013
Hey Bri, reading still a problem for ya? Or just general awareness comprehension?
US Abortion

Silver Spring, MD

#232 Jul 8, 2015
Booby Jindal curry- Curry make Christie tummy ache :-00000
Fred

United States

#233 Jul 8, 2015
Go Piyush !

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#234 Jul 8, 2015
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I mean, climate is a complex and chaotic system, it doesn't act like a test tube. The best experimental demonstrations of CO2's greenhouse effect I've found, shows a very low warming effect, less than the IPCC's most benign guess.
you've found??? sheesh delusional or what?

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#236 Jul 11, 2015
Paul Porter1 wrote:
you've found??? sheesh delusional or what?
Okay, what's the most compelling experiment you've found for climate change mitigation?

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#237 Jul 11, 2015
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Okay, what's the most compelling experiment you've found for climate change mitigation?
licking my middle finger and holding it straight up
I find it boring and pointless talking to you.

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#238 Jul 12, 2015
Deciding policy by putting your finger to the wind; sounds like a leading Democrat politician.

I find the lack of any experimental tests for climate change mitigation boring and I agree, it is pointless discussing science with folks who can't understand the scientific method. Creationism is bad science for the exact same reason climate change mitigation is bad science; no experimental verification.

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#240 Jul 16, 2015
Brian_G wrote:
Deciding policy by putting your finger to the wind; sounds like a leading Democrat politician.
I find the lack of any experimental tests for climate change mitigation boring and I agree, it is pointless discussing science with folks who can't understand the scientific method. Creationism is bad science for the exact same reason climate change mitigation is bad science; no experimental verification.
A new review analyzing three decades of research on the historic effects of melting polar ice sheets found that global sea levels have risen at least six meters, or about 20 feet, above present levels on multiple occasions over the past three million years.

What is most concerning, scientists say, is that amount of melting was caused by an increase of only 1-2 degrees (Celsius) in global mean temperatures.

Results of the study are being published this week in the journal Science.

“Studies have shown that both the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets contributed significantly to this sea level rise above modern levels,” said Anders Carlson, an Oregon State University glacial geologist and paleoclimatologist, and co-author on the study.“Modern atmospheric carbon dioxide levels are today equivalent to those about three million years ago, when sea level was at least six meters higher because the ice sheets were greatly reduced.

“It takes time for the warming to whittle down the ice sheets,” added Carlson, who is in OSU’s College of Earth, Ocean and Atmospheric Sciences,“but it doesn’t take forever. There is evidence that we are likely seeing that transformation begin to take place now.”

Co-author Peter Clark, an OSU paleoclimatologist, said that because current carbon dioxide, or CO2, levels are as high as they were 3 million years ago,“we are already committed to a certain amount of sea level rise.”

“The ominous aspect to this is that CO2 levels are continuing to rise, so we are entering uncharted territory,” Clark said.“What is not as certain is the time frame, which is less well-constrained. We could be talking many centuries to a few millennia to see the full impact of melting ice sheets.”

Six meters (or about 20 feet) of sea level rise does not sound like a lot. However, coastal cities worldwide have experienced enormous growth in population and infrastructure over the past couple of centuries – and a global mean sea level rise of 10 to 20 feet could be catastrophic to the hundreds of millions of people living in these coastal zones.

Much of the state of Florida, for example, has an elevation of 50 feet or less, and the city of Miami has an average elevation of six feet. Parts of New Orleans and other areas of Louisiana were overcome by Hurricane Katrina – by a surging Gulf of Mexico that could be 10 to 20 feet higher in the future. Dhaka in Bangladesh is one of the world’s 10 most populous cities with 14.4 million inhabitants, all living in low-lying areas. Tokyo and Singapore also have been singled out as extremely vulnerable to sea level rise.

“The influence of rising oceans is even greater than the overall amount of sea level rise because of storm surge, erosion and inundation,” said Carlson, who studies the interaction of ice sheets, oceans and the climate system on centennial time scales.“The impact could be enormous.”
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#241 Jul 16, 2015
P.P., we also have the Oregon Petition, where 31,000 scientists urged rejection of Kyoto.
Fred

United States

#242 Jul 23, 2015
what is Hindu creationism ?
Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#243 Jul 23, 2015
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Yes defamatory, like saying teaching creationism in public school is illegal. And false.
Perhaps this is just semantics, but teaching Creationism in public schools is considered a violation of the Establishment clause, and therefore unconstitutional.

Teachers, etc., can be legally sanctioned for doing it, and rightly so. It is not science, it is religion.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

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#244 Jul 23, 2015
Strel wrote:
Perhaps this is just semantics, but teaching Creationism in public schools is considered a violation of the Establishment clause, and therefore unconstitutional. Teachers, etc., can be legally sanctioned for doing it, and rightly so. It is not science, it is religion.
The Constitution leaves public schools curriculum to the states. Everyone benefits from teaching children the skill of critical thinking instead of rote learning; that's why schools show students how creationism is bad science because it can't be experimentally verified and is based on faith like religion and man made catastrophic climate disruption.
Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#245 Jul 24, 2015
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>The Constitution leaves public schools curriculum to the states. Everyone benefits from teaching children the skill of critical thinking instead of rote learning; that's why schools show students how creationism is bad science because it can't be experimentally verified and is based on faith like religion and man made catastrophic climate disruption.
You are right, but also wrong. While the Constitution leaves much to the states, what it leaves still has to comport with certain parts of the Bill of Rights via the 14th Amendment.

This is a settled issue, by the way. All the modern screeching about State's Rights is just horseshit, presented for people who still think it's an issue. In this circumstance, it isn't.

Public school curricula, policies, etc., have to obey the requirements of the Establishment clause. This is not really debatable, it is simply the state of the law.

That clause, as interpreted by the SCOTUS, prohibits the teaching of Creationism because it is plain and simply religion. And their word, literally, is law.

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#246 Jul 24, 2015
Private schools, institutions and colleges may teach what they please, without federal government interference.

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