Stimulus Plan Stuffed with Pork, Pet ...

Stimulus Plan Stuffed with Pork, Pet Projects

There are 46 comments on the www.newsmax.com story from Jan 26, 2009, titled Stimulus Plan Stuffed with Pork, Pet Projects. In it, www.newsmax.com reports that:

President Barack Obama's ban on earmarks in the $825 billion economic stimulus bill doesn't mean interest groups, lobbyists and lawmakers won't be able to funnel money to pet projects.

They're just working around it — and perhaps inadvertently making the process more secretive.

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“Good luck with that”

Since: Dec 07

Eden Praire

#42 Jan 27, 2009
Poo Poo Platter wrote:
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1) You haven't blown stating which office Al Franken may soon win. You sound a lot smarter than "Get Informed", an ill fitting name indeed. LOL!!!
2) Coleman ran on "bringing hockey back to Minnesota"???
Guess what my next Google trivia session will be about...
3) If Blagojevich gets convicted this week by the Illinois Senate, he'll be barred from ever again holding elected office in Illinois. Maybe that's not a big deal if TV appearances get you elected in Minnesota.
Yeah.. I saw the post where he called Franken a "congressman". Franken is taking the Senate seat (which he WILL take, the court case at this point is a joke). This seat used to belong to Wellstone, who was extremely liberal. Then Coleman (Mayor of St Paul at the time) brought Hockey back and became a State Hero. It propelled him to the top of the list of republicans to run against a popular Wellstone (who died in a plane crash prior to election day). The next popular person was Mondale.. so the dems chose him to run against Coleman.(see the pattern of "popular" over substance).

Now Franken is much more of a name than Coleman, so he wins.

I wouldn't be surprised if Blagojevich won some seat in MN. Most voters would go.. Hey he looks familiar.. must be a good guy....
Get Informed

Kennesaw, GA

#43 Jan 28, 2009
1. Al Franken's inclusion into Congress is an embarrassment. And like I said the citizens of Minnesota's brains must be frozen by all that global warming Al Gore sent their way!
2. Sorry, you can't count the private sector jobs you've had at McDonalds and Burger King!
3. What? You call laying sod on the National Mall in Washington quality job creation. So try and tell me how Intel, Oracle, Xerox, Pfizer, etc who layed Americans off this month will benefit from updating Fed Buildings, upgrading the gov. fleet of vehicles to alternative fuel vehicles, etc will help these companies!
4. Like I said those Americans that tore up the sod at the inguration we're at Obama's "personal party" in Washington. The party was not for the inaguration of a US President it was for KING Obama's party!

Hell, if Obama was truly all about "change" he would have taken some of the $80+ million he spent on his party to give to the Americans he said for months were the reason he wanted to move into whe White House. And I could care less who paid for the party. A politician who preached "change", "change" and "change" could think about all Americans without jobs and not worry about his own personal ceremony! And now we are suppose to pay for all the sod and grounds destroyed during the inguration with taxpayers money. What in the hell were those Obamanites doing!

I guess King Obama really isn't all about "change". He's about Obama! and Obama! and Obama!
Poo Poo Platter wrote:
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1) Al Franken will be a US Senator. Never mock the intelligence of Minnesotans when you can't keep an easy fact straight. It makes you sound like an idiot.
2) You bungle the easy stuff. Yet you pontificate about the economy? LOL!!! You're the blind trying to lead the non blind. I'm amazed it's evident to you I've never had a private sector job. Those are the only jobs I've had. You really aren't good at this, are you?
But lots of hard working Americans have government jobs. They raise families, pay taxes, participate in their communities. You sound like an idiot when you minimize their contribution. There's a pattern here...
3) This isn't the 1930s. Public works jobs won't put people on the government payroll. Work will be contracted out to construction companies, landscapers, all sorts of private sector entities.
Job training and college aid recipients will have the skills to get hired in the private sector.
4) Newsflash for you. Read it slowly if you must.
The grass those people at the National Mall tore up? They weren't at "Obama's personal party". They were attending the Presidential Inauguration. The country does it every four years. It's a ceremony the nation has always held to begin a President's new term.
This year, all the good seats near the Capital Building were taken. More people wanted to be part of the celebration. So many more, they overflowed into the Mall. What was it, 2 million people?
President Obama had a personal party in Chicago Election Night in Grant Park. That one, he paid for. It didn't cost Chicago taxpayers a dime. Police overtime, grounds cleanup, the whole thing paid for by the Obama campaign.
But the Inauguration, that's a national ceremony. Still, most of it is paid for by fund raising. Weren't you complaining about how it cost $150 million last week?

“More taxes ???”

Since: Jan 09

Need MORE taxes ???

#44 Jan 29, 2009
Isn't the premise of this bill unconstitutional ???

“Good luck with that”

Since: Dec 07

Eden Praire

#45 Jan 29, 2009
Did we go to war in Iraq to protect ourselves from Terrorists.. or was the threat from terrorists simply an excuse to a different agenda??

Is this bill an attempt to stimulate/correct the economy? Or is the economy an excuse to pass an agenda??

The administration has already made mulitiple excuses about this taking a long time, and even in 2011 the economy won't be on the right track...(sound familiar?? didn't Bush say we'de have to be patient in Iraq??).

The more things CHANGE the more they stay the same.

“More taxes ???”

Since: Jan 09

Need MORE taxes ???

#46 Jan 29, 2009
WASHINGTON -- The economic stimulus plan could include dozens of special-interest provisions pushed by lawmakers to help constituents such as the South Florida yacht-repair industry, Manhattan subway riders and California wine makers.
President Barack Obama wanted to keep the package free of such narrow provisions, partly to hold down the cost of the plan. But the business-as-usual process for handling the legislation on Capitol Hill is swelling its price tag to nearly $900 billion and giving Mr. Obama a refresher course on the congressional sausage-making process.
Many of the special-interest projects were included in a version of the stimulus plan that passed the House on Wednesday. In the Senate, lobbying groups from the agriculture to timber industries are working with home-state senators to add their pet items to the Senate version of the bill, which is set to be debated on the floor next week.
On Wednesday, Democrats from New York, Chicago and other cities added $3 billion in funding for transit systems. New York would be in line for several hundred million dollars for transit projects, such as the planned Second Avenue Subway and the East Side Access Tunnel. The extra funding "will be a great boon to New York in particular," New York Democratic Rep. Jerry Nadler said after lawmakers voted to add the funding in a House floor vote.
The House legislation also would exempt yacht-repair companies from paying for federal workers' compensation insurance to cover those hurt on the job. The Fort Lauderdale-based Marine Industries Association of South Florida had fought for the exemption for six years before Florida Reps. Deborah Wasserman Schultz and Ron Klein inserted it in the stimulus plan.
South Florida boat-repair businesses say that because their workers aren't subject to the same hazards as those who work on big ships, the federal insurance is expensive and duplicative. Previously, the exemption applied only to craft less than 65 feet long. Under the new measure, businesses that repair boats used primarily for recreation, regardless of their size, are exempt.
Kristina Hebert, chairwoman of the group's government-relations committee, said the measure affects more than 200,000 people who work in the pleasure-boat-repair industry in the state. Reached at a yachting convention on the Caribbean island of St. Martin, Ms. Hebert, vice president of Ward's Marine Electric, said the exemption would help marine-repair businesses in the Great Lakes and Pacific Northwest, too.
North Carolina Rep. Larry Kissell won a House amendment that requires the Transportation Security Administration to buy some 100,000 employee uniforms from U.S. textile plants.
Rep. Kissell's staffers said that while they aren't sure exactly where TSA uniforms worn by airport-security checkers come from, they aren't completely U.S.-made.
Currently, the Department of Defense is required to buy American-made uniforms. In arguing for the measure, Rep. Kissell, himself a former textile worker, points to 44 textile plants that have closed in the South, including 14 in his home state. "Last year, over 60,000 textile jobs were lost in the entire nation, 8,000 of those in North Carolina," he said. "This is the right thing to do."
Not all of the home-state provisions were related to the economy. Maryland Democratic Rep. Chris Van Hollen, whose district includes a large number of government workers, added legislation to give federal workers new whistle-blower protections.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1233189311083...
Get Informed

Kennesaw, GA

#47 Jan 29, 2009
The name should be changed from a stimulus package to a simple "spending" package.
disenchanted taxpayer wrote:
WASHINGTON -- The economic stimulus plan could include dozens of special-interest provisions pushed by lawmakers to help constituents such as the South Florida yacht-repair industry, Manhattan subway riders and California wine makers.
President Barack Obama wanted to keep the package free of such narrow provisions, partly to hold down the cost of the plan. But the business-as-usual process for handling the legislation on Capitol Hill is swelling its price tag to nearly $900 billion and giving Mr. Obama a refresher course on the congressional sausage-making process.
Many of the special-interest projects were included in a version of the stimulus plan that passed the House on Wednesday. In the Senate, lobbying groups from the agriculture to timber industries are working with home-state senators to add their pet items to the Senate version of the bill, which is set to be debated on the floor next week.
On Wednesday, Democrats from New York, Chicago and other cities added $3 billion in funding for transit systems. New York would be in line for several hundred million dollars for transit projects, such as the planned Second Avenue Subway and the East Side Access Tunnel. The extra funding "will be a great boon to New York in particular," New York Democratic Rep. Jerry Nadler said after lawmakers voted to add the funding in a House floor vote.
The House legislation also would exempt yacht-repair companies from paying for federal workers' compensation insurance to cover those hurt on the job. The Fort Lauderdale-based Marine Industries Association of South Florida had fought for the exemption for six years before Florida Reps. Deborah Wasserman Schultz and Ron Klein inserted it in the stimulus plan.
South Florida boat-repair businesses say that because their workers aren't subject to the same hazards as those who work on big ships, the federal insurance is expensive and duplicative. Previously, the exemption applied only to craft less than 65 feet long. Under the new measure, businesses that repair boats used primarily for recreation, regardless of their size, are exempt.
Kristina Hebert, chairwoman of the group's government-relations committee, said the measure affects more than 200,000 people who work in the pleasure-boat-repair industry in the state. Reached at a yachting convention on the Caribbean island of St. Martin, Ms. Hebert, vice president of Ward's Marine Electric, said the exemption would help marine-repair businesses in the Great Lakes and Pacific Northwest, too.
North Carolina Rep. Larry Kissell won a House amendment that requires the Transportation Security Administration to buy some 100,000 employee uniforms from U.S. textile plants.
Rep. Kissell's staffers said that while they aren't sure exactly where TSA uniforms worn by airport-security checkers come from, they aren't completely U.S.-made.
Currently, the Department of Defense is required to buy American-made uniforms. In arguing for the measure, Rep. Kissell, himself a former textile worker, points to 44 textile plants that have closed in the South, including 14 in his home state. "Last year, over 60,000 textile jobs were lost in the entire nation, 8,000 of those in North Carolina," he said. "This is the right thing to do."
Not all of the home-state provisions were related to the economy. Maryland Democratic Rep. Chris Van Hollen, whose district includes a large number of government workers, added legislation to give federal workers new whistle-blower protections.
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