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Obama looks to Mich. to revive clean energy debate

There are 12 comments on the Middletown Journal story from Jan 26, 2012, titled Obama looks to Mich. to revive clean energy debate. In it, Middletown Journal reports that:

HOLLAND, Mich. - A Michigan factory that made luxury yachts before the recession and diversified to add wind energy products when times got tough was touted by President Barack Obama at his State of the Union Address as an example of an industry creating forward-thinking jobs - with a little help from the government.

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JeShok

Caledonia, MI

#1 Jan 26, 2012
Another lie perpetuated by those people who want to destroy America

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/...

Our ruling

Solyndra's story is unfinished. FBI and congressional investigations continue, and more information about the loan guarantee program may yet come to light.

The TV ad says "(President Barack Obama gave) half a billion in taxpayer money to help his friends at Solyndra, a business the White House knew was on the path to bankruptcy." Some of this is correct, while some isn't supported by the existing evidence.

First, the money wasn't Obama's to give. Solyndra's request predated his administration, and career Energy Department officials handled the deal.

Second, e-mails so far don't show an administration pushing through a loan to help Obama's "friends at Solyndra." Rather, it appears the administration asked the Energy Department officials to hurry the regular process, so the administration could burnish its stimulus efforts.

Third, while e-mails raised doubts about Solyndra's liquidity as the Energy Department finalized the loan, those questions were answered by an official who argued investors would step in to protect the project red flags, yes. But awareness in the White House the company would dissolve? No.

The government wasn't the only blindsided investor private investors put up far more, and stand to lose more, than taxpayers.

The Solyndra story might be one of the poor design of the Energy Department's loan guarantee program something the Government Accountability Office has pointed out since 2008. And with the congressional investigation ongoing, we may learn more about the Obama administration's role in the loan program perhaps better supporting the ad's claims. For now, though, information in the public record does not support the ad's claim that the Obama White House is a pay-to-play cash machine for the politically well-connected. We rate this ad's claim Mostly False.
JeShok

Caledonia, MI

#2 Jan 26, 2012
Oops, I didn't mean to post this here, but it is related

“Life's not fair”

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#3 Jan 27, 2012
JeShok wrote:
The government wasn't the only blindsided investor private investors put up far more, and stand to lose more, than taxpayers.
the tax-payers shouldn't be on the hook for it in the first place. there's the big difference.

but it's for the better good so it's ok (um yeah)
JeShok

Caledonia, MI

#4 Jan 28, 2012
bdwg wrote:
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the tax-payers shouldn't be on the hook for it in the first place. there's the big difference.
but it's for the better good so it's ok (um yeah)
You may be right, but my point is those ads that are running right now aren't true. I really hate the way the major electronic media misinforms the public.

“Life's not fair”

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#5 Jan 28, 2012
JeShok wrote:
I really hate the way the major electronic media misinforms the public.
i can agree with that. happens on both sides and it sucks.
bonds77

Holland, MI

#6 Jan 28, 2012
Speaking of subsidies....

Should Mitt Romney be paying 13% tax? Newt wants to make it zero.

So, since the argument is that they'll create jobs, how many jobs has Mitt created this year?

Please raise your hand when you have the answer.

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#7 Jan 28, 2012
bonds77 wrote:
So, since the argument is that they'll create jobs, how many jobs has Mitt created this year?
Probably nowhere near the number Boo-rock has lost.
bonds77

Holland, MI

#8 Jan 28, 2012
There are 2 million more jobs in the country now vs. when he started.

Care to prove otherwise?

“Life's not fair”

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#9 Jan 28, 2012
bonds77 wrote:
Speaking of subsidies....
Should Mitt Romney be paying 13% tax? Newt wants to make it zero.
So, since the argument is that they'll create jobs, how many jobs has Mitt created this year?
Please raise your hand when you have the answer.
ooh ooh Mr Kotter!!! ooh ooh!! i've got a note!!*

WAY MORE THAN THE 46.2 MILLION LIVING BELOW THE POVERTY LEVEL (7 million more than in 2008 - less than 3 years - YEAH STIMULUS). the ones that pay absolutely no tax whatsoever... he pays people to cut his lawn... fix his cars... clean his houses... work on his campaign.... the list goes on and on... way more than Solyndra and it doesn't cost the US taxpayers any $$$$.... but don't let it get in YOUR way...

in fact...
http://moneyland.time.com/2012/01/27/romneys-...
Romeny paid more than he owed. isn't that what you're doing Bonds?
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* may Epstein R.I.P.
JeShok

Caledonia, MI

#10 Jan 28, 2012
bdwg wrote:
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i can agree with that. happens on both sides and it sucks.
It certainly does
TroJan

United States

#11 Jan 28, 2012
bdwg wrote:
<quoted text>
ooh ooh Mr Kotter!!! ooh ooh!! i've got a note!!*
WAY MORE THAN THE 46.2 MILLION LIVING BELOW THE POVERTY LEVEL (7 million more than in 2008 - less than 3 years - YEAH STIMULUS). the ones that pay absolutely no tax whatsoever... he pays people to cut his lawn... fix his cars... clean his houses... work on his campaign.... the list goes on and on... way more than Solyndra and it doesn't cost the US taxpayers any $$$$.... but don't let it get in YOUR way...
in fact...
http://moneyland.time.com/2012/01/27/romneys-...
Romeny paid more than he owed. isn't that what you're doing Bonds?
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* may Epstein R.I.P.
Most crap I have read in a while....LOL

“Life's not fair”

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#13 Jan 29, 2012
TroJan wrote:
<quoted text>Most crap I have read in a while....LOL
in liberal speak.... "i got NOTHIN' to counter with"

we get it.

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