Republican Democrat differences

Republican Democrat differences

There are 34 comments on the Lake County Record-Bee story from May 5, 2010, titled Republican Democrat differences. In it, Lake County Record-Bee reports that:

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Since: Nov 08

Watsonville, CA

#28 May 7, 2010
Lowell Grant wrote:
Voting them ALL out means we have no one serving? Nice solution!!!! Now back to Earth....nature abhors a vacuum. We abandon the government millions died for,**** on their sacrifice and who takes over? The Chinese or the Russians? The Brazilians? Fact is we have a 2 party system, both parties deeply flawed by corporate money. One party totally in the corporate pocket, they don’t even pretend not to work for the corporations, the other party torn between what it knows it right and what it needs to do compete (taking the corporate $, even though its only 1/3 what the other guys get). Take the money out; put the PEOPLE back in charge. We need a Constitutional amendment that simply state..."No one other than a citizen, registered to vote, may contribute to any political campaign. No lobbyists representing any industry may meet in private with any elected representative of the PEOPLE. No
corporation may produce any advertisement of any kind without identifying itself clearly, using its own name, for less than 10% of said advertisement."
This would eliminate all the phony "paid for by taxpayers for..." or "paid for by the balanced clean energy initiative" when it's really Exxon/chevron/BP/Massey energy coal industry $.
You have to explain things carefully to Lowell Grant as he is easily confused. He does not understand that voting everyone out means replacing them with someone who is not yet corrupt. Doing that for every election puts the country in the hands of the people in six years; three elections. When our electeds come home from one term we give them a parade or a rope. In six years of that kind of justice for the elected we would have men and women in office who feared the people and not the situation we have now when the people fear the government, but Lowell will never get it. He is a Democrat through and through.
Hmmm

Dallas, TX

#29 May 7, 2010
Adrian Vance wrote:
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You have to explain things carefully to Lowell Grant as he is easily confused. He does not understand that voting everyone out means replacing them with someone who is not yet corrupt. Doing that for every election puts the country in the hands of the people in six years; three elections. When our electeds come home from one term we give them a parade or a rope. In six years of that kind of justice for the elected we would have men and women in office who feared the people and not the situation we have now when the people fear the government, but Lowell will never get it. He is a Democrat through and through.
It may even mean they have to work for a living after serving like those of us who served our country in the Military. If they have just 2-6 years to make a difference, then you know they are going to work harder on the issues so the speaking and book deals after are lucrutive. Otherwise, they are just another citizen who served their country and went back home.

What a concept. Oh wait, that was what the idea was in the first place.

Since: Mar 09

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#30 May 7, 2010
The Repubican concepts of "free trade", "deregulation", "small government" and "open markets" are really just codeword newspeak for economic anarchism or covert oligarchy.
Hmmm

Dallas, TX

#32 May 7, 2010
blinders are off wrote:
Hummmm you are the best!
Thank you so much for taking your time to blog, everything you say is interesting and well spoken. I'm always interested in what you have to say, not many people empress me, you most certainly do.
My entry into this discussion is "Those in power dance with those who brought them" They intend to do the right thing but once in office there debt must be paid.
Just one man's opinion seeking others to continue the journey of learning, but thank you nonetheless.

Everthing in politics is quid pro que. The institution is so massive that the Scott Brown's of the country don't stand a chance. The information is daunting and complicated.

What is the first thing you do with a math problem?

Try and simplify it.

What is the first problem. The tax code is 44,000 pages long, and 5.5 million words. The entire Bible (Old and New Testament) has 807K words. And 506K words in "War and Peace."

Can you read it?

I know it would take me at least a year with nothing else to do, but then they would change or add to it.

Throw it all away and go to a simplified flat tax. Then we know what every man, woman, and corporation pays in taxes. Oh, and we can get rid of most of the IRS in the process, sorry guys, hopefully all the new small business this will spur on will get you re-employed in short order.

Now, think real hard. What effect would that have on the quid pro quo dance?
Hmmm

Dallas, TX

#33 May 7, 2010
Lowell Grant wrote:
No freshmen of either party will get elected in today's system without owing too much to too many corporations and industries. To return the government to the citizens the money must be taken out of the system. You are kidding yourself to think otherwise.
Scott Brown. EOM
Hmmm

Dallas, TX

#34 May 7, 2010
snyper wrote:
The Repubican concepts of "free trade", "deregulation", "small government" and "open markets" are really just codeword newspeak for economic anarchism or covert oligarchy.
OK. Personally, do you do better when the corporations are making tons of money and hiring everyone in sight?

The history we have to look at was a world running like a Steam Train. You had to get the burner really hot before you could produce enough steam to move forward, and you had to be really super careful with all the valves and throtle to keep enough steam to turn the wheels, but not to much as to spin them. Stopping you have to not only give plenty of distance, but you had to also realease all the presure to keep the boiler from blowing up. A lot of things that had a slow impact on moving forward and slowing down.

Then we went to diesel electric and can add power to the wheels and throw sand down for traction to help the train go and stop. Still takes time to get it moving and slowed down.

Now we have trains that essentially sit above magnets, they can pretty much go and stop in an instant.

That is the only problem with where we have come with the economy. We are getting to the point that one mistake (look what happened yesterday) can change an entire nation, and moving more towards the train that can start and stop on a dime.

That means you have to be much more careful today than say FDR after WWII.

So, should the simple idea be the same for you and I as it is the government? Pay your bills before the bank comes to take it away from you? I mean, do you really believe big business has that much control and wants to ruin you - the person who not only works for them, but also consumes the products they produce?

Business revolves around what you are willing to pay. The role of government is to ensure that there is opportunity for all in that market instead of letting one company rule and dictate.

The Boston Tea Party was about one simple thing. Taxation. The government contracted a single company to provide Tea at a lower cost, but put a tax on that Tea. American's would get tea cheaper. So, why did they see through that then, but we are too stupid to see through it today?
Philip Murphy

Brisbane, CA

#36 May 7, 2010
Hmmm wrote:
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Just one man's opinion seeking others to continue the journey of learning, but thank you nonetheless.
Everthing in politics is quid pro que. The institution is so massive that the Scott Brown's of the country don't stand a chance. The information is daunting and complicated.
What is the first thing you do with a math problem?
Try and simplify it.
What is the first problem. The tax code is 44,000 pages long, and 5.5 million words. The entire Bible (Old and New Testament) has 807K words. And 506K words in "War and Peace."
Can you read it?
I know it would take me at least a year with nothing else to do, but then they would change or add to it.
Throw it all away and go to a simplified flat tax. Then we know what every man, woman, and corporation pays in taxes. Oh, and we can get rid of most of the IRS in the process, sorry guys, hopefully all the new small business this will spur on will get you re-employed in short order.
Now, think real hard. What effect would that have on the quid pro quo dance?
well, first off the middle class and poor would get screwed harder and the people who benefit from every aspect of our society the most would get more-but on the up side we'd know EXACTLY how bad we were being forked.Trickle-down economics and a flat tax, who said ronald reagan is dead?

Since: Mar 09

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#37 May 7, 2010
Hmmm wrote:
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OK. Personally, do you do better when the corporations are making tons of money and hiring everyone in sight?... The Boston Tea Party was about one simple thing. Taxation. The government contracted a single company to provide Tea at a lower cost, but put a tax on that Tea. American's would get tea cheaper. So, why did they see through that then, but we are too stupid to see through it today?
How marxist of you to view American motivations solely in economic terms.
Hmmm

Dallas, TX

#38 May 7, 2010
Philip Murphy wrote:
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well, first off the middle class and poor would get screwed harder and the people who benefit from every aspect of our society the most would get more-but on the up side we'd know EXACTLY how bad we were being forked.Trickle-down economics and a flat tax, who said ronald reagan is dead?
EVERYONE should be straight up taxes instead of all the hidden crap that IS scre-wing the poor and middle class. Plus, there would be no more good guy discounts for the Exxon's of the world, they would pay their 20% flat straight out, and you would be amazed at how much that will add up in a hurry.

You are right, we are being forked, just from the backside, in my opinion.
Philip Murphy

Brisbane, CA

#39 May 7, 2010
Hmmm wrote:
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EVERYONE should be straight up taxes instead of all the hidden **** that IS scre-wing the poor and middle class. Plus, there would be no more good guy discounts for the Exxon's of the world, they would pay their 20% flat straight out, and you would be amazed at how much that will add up in a hurry.
You are right, we are being forked, just from the backside, in my opinion.
it would probably be closer to 25% at least, for a typical worker here that's about $5,000, so he'll have a $2-3,000 dollars of disposable income.
For a guy who makes $1,000,000 he'll have $700,000 in disposable income, so he'll have very little impact on his quality of life by paying his taxes, whereas the "typical" worker here will be right on the edge of economic disaster his whole life at a 25% tax rate-this is your idea of fair?.
Philip Murphy

Kettleman City, CA

#42 May 9, 2010
snyper wrote:
The Repubican concepts of "free trade", "deregulation", "small government" and "open markets" are really just codeword newspeak for economic anarchism or covert oligarchy.
is your avatar a panzer IV? Cool!

Since: Mar 09

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#43 May 9, 2010
Philip Murphy wrote:
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is your avatar a panzer IV? Cool!
Swiss Piranha
Nobama

Ellington, CT

#44 May 9, 2010
Recently, democrats have called those who went to the tea party rally racist and sexist. Actually, I have been to the tea party rally, and noticed some things. The democrats/anti tea party rally had no women there, or any black people. However, at the tea party, there were black people, and many women. And if democrats call those who went to the rally extremists, there were democrats supporting us, too. I just think democrats have to make ip their own facts just to make themselves look better than the republicans.
Hmmm

Dallas, TX

#45 May 10, 2010
Philip Murphy wrote:
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it would probably be closer to 25% at least, for a typical worker here that's about $5,000, so he'll have a $2-3,000 dollars of disposable income.
For a guy who makes $1,000,000 he'll have $700,000 in disposable income, so he'll have very little impact on his quality of life by paying his taxes, whereas the "typical" worker here will be right on the edge of economic disaster his whole life at a 25% tax rate-this is your idea of fair?.
Wait, hold on. Not so fast.

The flat tax on a scale, not a flat 20% for all. But if you took a flat 20% from the uber rich, it would be more in most cases than we are getting now. Mix that in with 5% from the poor, 10% for the middle class (up to 150K) and then use a simple cost of living factor. I know from experience, 150K did not go a long way in Northern California, but goes a really long way in Texas.

People making under 250K are the consumers that make up 70%. Those making over 250K need to invest, cause most are not going to spend that money to keep it in the GDP. Tax too much, or make investing less attractive, then they will begin to just save the money to keep from it from any risk at all. Though the government likes that because then people will invest in more bonds to keep the rates lower as our debt piles up, I don't believe that will be the outcome until the bond pays a higher yield and we are still running in the same circle.

An example is part of the Health Care Bill was the Govt. pulling back and self funding and managing student loans. This was a factor in the $'s needed to cover health care and used as a factor. But now the big lenders like Sallie Mae are saying they will self accept the risk and lower the rate to be more competetive with the govt backed student loan. So, if the govt. has the standard 6%, Sallie will sell it at 5% and accept the risk to stay in business. So, like Freddie and Fannie, the private sector will be driven b/c of Govt pricing controls. This could mean Sallie is bailed out in 10 years when the economy goes south again.

Again, we have paid 100 Billion of money that will not be paid back to Freddie and Fannie, which lead us to the disaster by easing the requirements on home loans and building a supply and demand bubble, but no one is upset about that???? Most people are upset that we bailed the banks out. Well, they are paying those loans back to us with intrest. The little banks didn't get the loans, and are failing daily, and the government is convincing the big guys to aquire them. How is that fair?

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