Dems to voters: You may hate us, but GOP is worse

Sep 17, 2010 Full story: The Topeka Capital-Journal 665

With just six weeks to avoid a possible election catastrophe, Democrats are trying to limit the damage with a closing argument that's more plea than platform: We know you voters are furious with us, but just let us explain why the Republicans would be worse.

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Dingo

North Highlands, CA

#224 Sep 19, 2010
Why NOT.?

YOU were the ONE who said this and that.
Eristotle wrote:
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No thanks.
HIDDENHISTORY

United States

#225 Sep 19, 2010
In fact, the GOP has been at the forefront of supporting rights for blacks since its earliest days. Without the GOP, for instance, the 1964 civil rights bill could never have passed. So, is the "United States" the entity we should be targeting as the perpetrators of slavery?

Yes, but only to the degree that it allowed the Democrat Party to be a legitimate political entity and for not hunting them down as the hatemongers they were... and are today to a much lesser degree.

So, now I have to reassess my stance on these apologies. Democrats should apologize for chattel slavery. Democrats should apologize for keeping blacks in poverty and ignorance. Democrats should apologize for lynchings and Jim Crow laws. Democrats should apologize for "separate but equal," bussing, "white's only" signs, miscegenation laws, poll taxes, and welfare mommas. While we are at it, Democrats should apologize for Japanese interment and voter fraud...

but I'll settle for their apology for how they've mistreated black people from the 1400s to today.

I don't see any reason for the entire USA to apologize for slavery, though. Heck, millions of Americans actually had family that fought and some even died to end slavery. We call them Republicans who fought for the Union during the Civil War. Why should they have to apologize?

No, I stand corrected on this one. Slavery should be apologized for and it is Democrats who should make that apology for all their evils.

Yes, they should apologize. But I won't hold my breath.
HIDDENHISTORY

United States

#226 Sep 19, 2010
Dingo wrote:
If you don't like paying taxes ...
* Don't drive on paved streets or highways.
* Don't call 911.
* Don't flush your toilet.
* Don't bring your garbage to the curb.
* Don't fly in an airplane that uses air*traffic controllers.
* Don't use the court system.
* Don't call the police when you get robbed.
* Don't use the US Post Office, send all your letters via FedEx or UPS.
* Don't ask for a farm subsidy for not growing crops.
* Don't ask for a taxpayer subsidy to do business in a city or state.
* Don't buy a sports franchise and ask the taxpayers to build your stadium.
* Don't send your children to public schools.
* Don't attend a state university.
* Don't expect a social security payment.
* Don't let Medicare pay your bills if you are over 65 or disabled.
* Don't look for a government contract to bolster your defense industry business.
* Don't look for a government.
* Don't run for political office where your salary is paid for by the taxpayers.
* Don't accept government research findings that subsidize research for your industry.
* Don't be an airline and expect the government to bail you out.
* Don't be a car company and expect the government to bail you out.
* Don't be a steel company and expect the government to bail you out.
* Don't be a company that pollutes and expect the taxpayer to bail you out.
* Don't climb to the top of the Washington Monument, which is maintained at taxpayer expense.
* Don't make use of police services.
* Don't be rescued by fire department paramedic team.
* Don't call the fire department.
* Don't expect federal assistance if a natural disaster destroys your home or business.
* Don't expect the military to defend your country.
* Don't visit national parks or hike in national forests.
* Don't eat USDA inspected meat, cheese, eggs or produce.
* Don't take any medications tested and approved by the FDA.
* Don't drink, bath or otherwise use the water from municipal water systems.
* Don't look at or relay a weather report.
* Don't look at a NASA generated picture.
* Don't expect a unit of measure like a gallon of gas to be a full gallon.
* Don't expect an elevator to work correctly or not fall.
* Don't expect a red light to work.
* Don't accept government money to help develop a product which you then personally patent or copyright and sell for your own profit.
* Don't use the services of a doctor who is licensed through the state.
* Don't expect research into medical problems such as cancer, heart disease, diabetes, aging, prostrate, menopause, etc.
* Don't use the public library.
* Don't go to a state university affiliated hospital.
* Don't go to a state university.
* Don't watch state college sports.
* Don't apply for government grants.
* Don't use your state's convention centers.
* Don't go to a state, city or municipal*run airport.
* Don't ask for rural electrification.
* Don't ask for FEC regulations that protect us from crooked financial planners.
* Don't ask to keep the airwaves free so your right*wing psycho radio talk show host can lie to you.
* Don't ask for a business loan from the small business administration.
* Don't ask to use the G.I. bill to go to college.
* Don't allow Al Gore to sponsor legislation to turn a military computer network (DARPANet/ARPANet) into the public*accessed "Internet."
* Don't drive a car that benefits from government safety regulations.
* Don't use electricity generated by TVA or some government*owned and maintained dam or facility.
* Don't use currency printed by the US Treasury.
* Don't use a bank or credit union that insures your deposits through the FDIC.
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All are proven to be better done by private businesses.

Goverment does not function properly.
Smitt

Parlin, NJ

#227 Sep 19, 2010
The idea that government cant do anything right and Private industry cant do anything wrong is a republican fairytale. We are on the brink of handing the wheel back to same people who put us in the ditch, and have blocked or opposed any effort to get us out.

Since: Sep 10

Clarksville, TN

#228 Sep 19, 2010
true wrote:
WE THE PEOPLE to both dems and repubs, we are so close to having you all arrested for treason of selling out our country like you sold out yourselfs to offshore rothschilds and goldman sachs and fanny mays that when ever you do speak to us it just confirms our desire to take away your jobs and healthcare and benifits of retirement etc. etc. so do yourselfs a favor and straiten out cause you have done nothing but pisz us off, in the mean time shut up, it only makes it worst
I agree with you, and I think the saying that the democrats said at the onset of healthcare debate "the American people DOES NOT know what they want" has made me decide that I FOR ONE WILL NOT vote democrat at all. They will or should know that WE THE PEOPLE ( who by the way pay their paychecks)KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT! That is not saying that I vote Republican though, I just have less to choose from.
HIDDENHISTORY

United States

#229 Sep 19, 2010
Smitt wrote:
The idea that government cant do anything right and Private industry cant do anything wrong is a republican fairytale. We are on the brink of handing the wheel back to same people who put us in the ditch, and have blocked or opposed any effort to get us out.
Actually, the housing market droped because Jannet Reno forced banks to give loans to the groups who don't have the ways and means to pay the loans.

Then the "Tricky Ones" packaged the note into Triple A ratings.

It's all part of the Clower / Pivon project to pull us down,
so the Marxist can move in, and take over.

Cloward and Piven recruited a militant black organizer named George Wiley to lead their new movement. In the summer of 1967, Wiley founded the National Welfare Rights Organization (NWRO). His tactics closely followed the recommendations set out in Cloward and Piven's article. His followers invaded welfare offices across the United States -- often violently -- bullying social workers and loudly demanding every penny to which the law "entitled" them. By 1969, NWRO claimed a dues-paying membership of 22,500 families, with 523 chapters across the nation.

Regarding Wiley's tactics, The New York Times commented on September 27, 1970, "There have been sit-ins in legislative chambers, including a United States Senate committee hearing, mass demonstrations of several thousand welfare recipients, school boycotts, picket lines, mounted police, tear gas, arrests - and, on occasion, rock-throwing, smashed glass doors, overturned desks, scattered papers and ripped-out phones."These methods proved effective. "The flooding succeeded beyond Wiley's wildest dreams," writes Sol Stern in the City Journal. "From 1965 to 1974, the number of households on welfare soared from 4.3 million to 10.8 million, despite mostly flush economic times. By the early 1970s, one person was on the welfare rolls in New York City for every two working in the city's private economy."As a direct result of its massive welfare spending, New York City was forced to declare bankruptcy in 1975. The entire state of New York nearly went down with it. TheCloward-Piven strategy had proved its effectiveness.

The Cloward-Piven strategy depended on surprise. Once society recovered from the initial shock, the backlash began. New York's welfare crisis horrified America, giving rise to a reform movement which culminated in "the end of welfare as we know it" -- the 1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, which imposed time limits on federal welfare, along with strict eligibility and work requirements.

Most Americans to this day have never heard of Cloward and Piven. But New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani attempted to expose them in the late 1990s. As his drive for welfare reform gained momentum, Giuliani accused the militant scholars by name, citing their 1966 manifesto as evidence that they had engaged in deliberate economic sabotage. "This wasn't an accident," Giuliani charged in a July 20, 1998 speech. "It wasn't an atmospheric thing, it wasn't supernatural. This is the result of policies and programs designed to have the maximum number of people get on welfare."
HIDDENHISTORY

United States

#230 Sep 19, 2010
Smitt wrote:
The idea that government cant do anything right and Private industry cant do anything wrong is a republican fairytale. We are on the brink of handing the wheel back to same people who put us in the ditch, and have blocked or opposed any effort to get us out.
Goverment employees, are on welfare.
HIDDENHISTORY

United States

#231 Sep 19, 2010
And Democrats are racist.

Since: Sep 10

Clarksville, TN

#232 Sep 19, 2010
HIDDENHISTORY wrote:
In fact, the GOP has been at the forefront of supporting rights for blacks since its earliest days. Without the GOP, for instance, the 1964 civil rights bill could never have passed. So, is the "United States" the entity we should be targeting as the perpetrators of slavery?
Yes, but only to the degree that it allowed the Democrat Party to be a legitimate political entity and for not hunting them down as the hatemongers they were... and are today to a much lesser degree.
So, now I have to reassess my stance on these apologies. Democrats should apologize for chattel slavery. Democrats should apologize for keeping blacks in poverty and ignorance. Democrats should apologize for lynchings and Jim Crow laws. Democrats should apologize for "separate but equal," bussing, "white's only" signs, miscegenation laws, poll taxes, and welfare mommas. While we are at it, Democrats should apologize for Japanese interment and voter fraud...
but I'll settle for their apology for how they've mistreated black people from the 1400s to today.
I don't see any reason for the entire USA to apologize for slavery, though. Heck, millions of Americans actually had family that fought and some even died to end slavery. We call them Republicans who fought for the Union during the Civil War. Why should they have to apologize?
No, I stand corrected on this one. Slavery should be apologized for and it is Democrats who should make that apology for all their evils.
Yes, they should apologize. But I won't hold my breath.
I can not apologize for the past, but if i could I would because I and my descendants never believed in slavery, we believed in equal rights. That being said, I think the democrats have hurt this country this term than anyone else could. Question for all, on healthcare (a lot of that is hidden from you and me) who will pay for it? Where will the money come from? I believe they should had gone after the other end of insurance! They are making untold million of profit!
Dingo

North Highlands, CA

#233 Sep 19, 2010
Exactly
Smitt wrote:
The idea that government cant do anything right and Private industry cant do anything wrong is a republican fairytale. We are on the brink of handing the wheel back to same people who put us in the ditch, and have blocked or opposed any effort to get us out.
Dingo

North Highlands, CA

#234 Sep 19, 2010
So are politicians, so what's your point?
HIDDENHISTORY wrote:
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Goverment employees, are on welfare.
ZiaMiddleView

Albuquerque, NM

#235 Sep 19, 2010
Mac-7 wrote:
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"I'm for fiscal responsibility by both parties"
If so then you should join the Tea Party and Republicans as the attack Obama the ruling Democrats to demand lower spending and less government.
Why would I want to associate myself with a party that points back to the Founders - a time when only white property owners could vote and everyone else was either a second class citizen, property or worse. Besides, when did the Republicans practice what they preach? They ran deficits just like the Dems even during economic good times.
ZiaMiddleView

Albuquerque, NM

#236 Sep 19, 2010
HIDDENHISTORY wrote:
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Goverment employees, are on welfare.
So are our soldiers.
Dingo

North Highlands, CA

#237 Sep 19, 2010
I am beginning to like you.

that is FACT about the Military

And I am retired military.

I like your spunk.

The Military is one of the biggest socialist complex of the Entire American Government.

but in some circles, WE can't call a spade, WE must call it a dancing goat.
ZiaMiddleView wrote:
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So are our soldiers.

“Did U plug the damn hole yet?”

Since: Jan 08

Rowlett, TX

#238 Sep 19, 2010
ZiaMiddleView wrote:
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Why would I want to associate myself with a party that points back to the Founders - a time when only white property owners could vote and everyone else was either a second class citizen, property or worse.

I don't know why you would not honor the Founding Fathers and the great nation they created.

I think they were great men whose achievements speak for themselves.

But if like Obama and his consort, you don't love this country above all others then chances are you won't lke the Tea Party movement either.
ZiaMiddleView

Albuquerque, NM

#239 Sep 19, 2010
Dingo wrote:
I am beginning to like you.
that is FACT about the Military
And I am retired military.
I like your spunk.
The Military is one of the biggest socialist complex of the Entire American Government.
but in some circles, WE can't call a spade, WE must call it a dancing goat.
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Dingo, seems we have a lot in common. I too am a retired soldier and you're right, the military is one big socialist complex. After retiring I went to work for the federal govt. I believe you did the same.

Since: Sep 10

Clarksville, TN

#240 Sep 19, 2010
Smitt wrote:
The idea that government cant do anything right and Private industry cant do anything wrong is a republican fairytale. We are on the brink of handing the wheel back to same people who put us in the ditch, and have blocked or opposed any effort to get us out.
and Healthcare that obama wants and the stinking democrats help shove down our throats because they say "the people don't know what they want" is any good? HAHAHAHAAHA what a laugh! I will tell you what, if he gets this you will be surprised at what that liar does
Yes i said liar, cause he has lied on public places, but no matter, guess what your healthcare reform will cost us the people more money than we will ever make. Oh yeah that is right, obama will borrow from other countries! more weakening of the United States! We cannot ever borrow from another country! That in itself gives that country power over us. But we the people don't know this, shhhhh don't tell the dems that we know! Let them ruin the USA even more! And ask obama why doesn't he show his true birth certificate if he is an american? Hawaii officials have since stated the copy he showed is fake. And we wonder why the high officers of the military mutiny if you will, they know legally he cannot be a president without showing official documents.
Shady Lady

United States

#241 Sep 19, 2010
No on made a big deal about spending until Obama came along, because he has spent more in 19 monthe then any President spent in 8 years. He is spending like a drunken sailor on nonsense. $883,000. to teach African men how to was their genitals. That is just crazy.
HIDDENHISTORY

United States

#242 Sep 19, 2010
Dingo wrote:
So are politicians, so what's your point?
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Smaller Gov. is American.

Bigger Gov. is Marxist.

We still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping at the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised to furnish new pretenses for revenue and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without a tribute."
-- Thomas Paine
HIDDENHISTORY

United States

#243 Sep 19, 2010
Shady Lady wrote:
No on made a big deal about spending until Obama came along, because he has spent more in 19 monthe then any President spent in 8 years. He is spending like a drunken sailor on nonsense.$883,000. to teach African men how to was their genitals. That is just crazy.
ahhh, be fare.
A gold tooth and a box of Viagra stimulates some groups.

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