Second Muslim elected to Congress

Second Muslim elected to Congress

There are 741 comments on the www.publicbroadcasting.net story from Mar 11, 2008, titled Second Muslim elected to Congress. In it, www.publicbroadcasting.net reports that:

Indiana voters on Tuesday elected a Muslim to Congress, only the second of that faith chosen in U.S. history.

Andre Carson, grandson of the late Democrat Rep. Julia Carson, was elected to serve the balance of her term in the U.S. House of Representatives in a special election.

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Will Rogers

Cleveland, OH

#1 Mar 12, 2008
At this rate, in 50 years we could be saying the Pledge of Allegiance using the term Allah instead of God. Run for your lives!

Pierre France

“Cogito Ergo Sum”

Since: Feb 08

South of France

#2 Mar 12, 2008
The day that comes when such racist and paranoid fear-mongering like this is but a dim, distant echo of a dark and somber time, when idiocy was common, and morons waved fear and white hoods as if they were important.
Will, you're part of a disease, a dying, rotting, stinking zombie of the vileness that is possible in the blackened and corrupt heart of ignorant and intolerant men.

How about you stuff your prejudice into your dungarees pocket, and judge this man on his actions and efficiancy in working for you, the American people, instead of the superficial skin color and the fact that he has a different way of looking at God, the same God, BTW, as you ?

While you're pondering this, go and read the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights.
Spend a bit of time reading about James Madison, as well. Learn your history. Understand your future.
Think about this, too.

"We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people."
-- John F. Kennedy
anti-satan

Surbiton, UK

#3 Mar 12, 2008
Pierre France wrote:
The day that comes when such racist and paranoid fear-mongering like this is but a dim, distant echo of a dark and somber time, when idiocy was common, and morons waved fear and white hoods as if they were important.
Will, you're part of a disease, a dying, rotting, stinking zombie of the vileness that is possible in the blackened and corrupt heart of ignorant and intolerant men.
How about you stuff your prejudice into your dungarees pocket, and judge this man on his actions and efficiancy in working for you, the American people, instead of the superficial skin color and the fact that he has a different way of looking at God, the same God, BTW, as you ?
While you're pondering this, go and read the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights.
Spend a bit of time reading about James Madison, as well. Learn your history. Understand your future.
Think about this, too.
"We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people."
-- John F. Kennedy
Because islam has a history to match nazi germany. When muslims gain power they do not recognise other peoples beliefs. Pagans are slaughtered and christians and jews are treated like jews in nazi germany.
It was islam that first made chritians & jews wear yellow badges. It was islam that has a policy of dhimmitude. It is islam that wants to introduce the fascist sharia law. The more muslims there are in congrees the closer you get to a fascist state.
Outraged

Lafayette, CA

#4 Mar 12, 2008
Will Rogers wrote:
At this rate, in 50 years we could be saying the Pledge of Allegiance using the term Allah instead of God. Run for your lives!
WOW!! How very clever and open-minded ... you probably have a very high position in your job ... but with your wit and foresight I suggest you should seek some kind of diplomatic position ...
SICK TO MY STOMACH

Indianapolis, IN

#5 Mar 12, 2008
LET ME ADD THIS INFORMATION. WHEN I WAS YOUNGER I FELT THE SAME AS THE GENTLMAN SCREAMING RACISM. FIRST LET ME SAY, JUDGING A MAN BY THE COLOR OF A MAN'S SKIN IS RACISM. JUDGING A MAN BY HIS BELIEF'S IS NOT. WHAT HE BELIEVES IS WHO HE IS AND WHAT HE REPRESENTS.

I HAVE MET MUSLIM'S FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD. THE ONE THING THEY ALL HAD IN COMMON IS THAT IF YOUR SKIN IS WHITE, OR YOU DONT BELIEVE WHAT THEY BELIEVE, YOU ARE THE ENEMY. I WORKED WITH A 15 YEAR OLD MUSLIM BOY FROM AFRICA. HE HATED ME BECAUSE I WAS WHITE. HE TOLD ME SO, BECAUSE I ASKED HIM. HE WAS ALWAYS PLEASANT TO MY FACE, UNTIL I ASK HIM WHAT MUSLIMS BELIEVE. HOWEVER, IT WAS MY FIRST ENCOUNTER WITH RACISM FOR ME. HE HAD HATE IN HIS HEART FOR NON-MUSLIMS, PARTICULARLY WHITES. AFTER DISCUSSING HIS RELIGION WITH HIM HE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THIS HATE WAS THERE AND THE POLITENESS WAS A MASK. I WAS HIS ENEMY. ALL, AND I MEAN ALL, OF MY DEALINGS WITH MUSLIMS IN MY 53 YEARS HAVE RESULTED IN FLAT OUT DEEP SEATED HATE FOR ME BECAUSE I WAS WHITE AND NON-MUSLIM. I WAS NOT CONFRONTATIONAL WHEN ASKING THEM ABOUT THE MUSLIM FAITH. THEY WERE LIKE WOLVES IN SHEEPS CLOTHING.

I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM SOME MUSLIMS ABOUT THEIR BELIEF SYSTEM. ANY MUSLIMS OUT THERE WILLING TO COMMENT? FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE IS MY KNOWLEDGE OF MUSLIMS. PLEASE TELL ME THE 50 OR SO MUSLIMS IVE MET ARE JUST AN UNBELIEVABLE STATISTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE COINCIDENCE.
anti-satan wrote:
<quoted text>
Because islam has a history to match nazi germany. When muslims gain power they do not recognise other peoples beliefs. Pagans are slaughtered and christians and jews are treated like jews in nazi germany.
It was islam that first made chritians & jews wear yellow badges. It was islam that has a policy of dhimmitude. It is islam that wants to introduce the fascist sharia law. The more muslims there are in congrees the closer you get to a fascist state.
pieter stuyvesant

Toulouse, France

#7 Mar 12, 2008
Our countrys are based on an Democratic foundation, and thats how this kind of evil people are injected in our societys, bij our own stupid open beleef that our way of living, and way of thinking is superieur an their ways, yes its the truth, but by is openess it let people in who wanth to hurt our systems, and way of thinking, its a fast spreading illness, they have to corrupt our system, out of their dogmatic islam vieuws, their values are on a compleet other footing as ours, their appoach to society is more or less very doubtful,a woman is for them an domestic animal, but we are captives of our own weak points in our constetution, and they know this an thats wy they slap us in our face, with our own weakness, o yes we wanth to be nice.
Kublai

Lutz, FL

#8 Mar 12, 2008
Muslims will eventually dominate France. Tell me how you like them then.
Pierre France wrote:
The day that comes when such racist and paranoid fear-mongering like this is but a dim, distant echo of a dark and somber time, when idiocy was common, and morons waved fear and white hoods as if they were important.
Will, you're part of a disease, a dying, rotting, stinking zombie of the vileness that is possible in the blackened and corrupt heart of ignorant and intolerant men.
How about you stuff your prejudice into your dungarees pocket, and judge this man on his actions and efficiancy in working for you, the American people, instead of the superficial skin color and the fact that he has a different way of looking at God, the same God, BTW, as you ?
While you're pondering this, go and read the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights.
Spend a bit of time reading about James Madison, as well. Learn your history. Understand your future.
Think about this, too.
"We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people."
-- John F. Kennedy

Pierre France

“Cogito Ergo Sum”

Since: Feb 08

South of France

#9 Mar 12, 2008
Boy, the ignorance is strong in these ones.
Surtout vous, mon cher compatriot, Pieter.
C'mon, start thinking beyond your prejudices.
There are plenty of white Muslims, STMS, and please, take off the "Caps. Lock".
Color has nothing to do with faith.
Hatred has everything to do with ignorance, though.

"Anti-Satin sheet", how about you try to open a little your mind. Better, why don't you actually go and meet some Muslims. Ask them about their religion, instead of getting all your info from Robert Spencer and the rest of the crypto-fascist haters that you listen with wide-eyes and empty head too. You may be surprised.

Again, all I ask is that you try to think, try to wake up, try to look coherantly at your fears and prejudices. Also try to think coherantly about the sheer logistical scale of converting all the people in the West, almost all of them, excepting a few of the posters here, who have experienced freedom and have the ability of free-thought and choice, to Islam and the rigidity of the Sharia.
You have as much chance as walking to the Moon on a Moon-beam.

While you are experiencing the thrill of your braincell creaking into gear, ask yourself "Who wants me to hate the Muslims so much ? Why could they want me to be afraid and frightened about something that when I examine it logically, clinically and with access to the facts, is as much a menace to me and my way of life as a Martian invasion ? Why do these people want my blind obedience and 2-minute hate against something that will never threaten me ?"

Think very hard about this, people. Very hard indeed. Cheney has removed Admiral Fallon, so the attack, and subsequent World War 3 is only months away. Think, before it's too late.

"Why, of course, the people don't want war," Goering shrugged. "Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.
The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

Hermann Goering, "Nuremberg Diary"

Pierre France

“Cogito Ergo Sum”

Since: Feb 08

South of France

#10 Mar 12, 2008
Kublai wrote:
Muslims will eventually dominate France. Tell me how you like them then.
<quoted text>
Get informed and research your facts before making yourself look like a lobotomized sheep, Kublai.

Look, it's not hard.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/694a6eb0-4eb5-11dc-...
Church Slave

Seattle, WA

#12 Mar 12, 2008
Another Muslim elected. Go help us all.
When you are at war with the Muslim world you don't go and elect a Muslim to congress.

Will he pledge to support our republic?
Will he be pro or anti-Isreal?
Will he force his wife and daughters to wear burkahs?
Will he pray to Allah every time he goes to the bathroom in the Capitol building?
Will he bring his prayer mat with him to congress every day?
Will he get 72 virgins if he blows up the house chamber?
Will he demand the house cafeteria serve muslim approved dishes?
So many questions about this new muslim in the house.

Pierre France

“Cogito Ergo Sum”

Since: Feb 08

South of France

#13 Mar 12, 2008
Why are you sheep so ignorant ?
Why are you incapable of spelling, or even spell-checking ?
Why do you make no sense ?
Why are you afraid of NOTHING ?
Who has polluted your simple, amoeba-like brains with such drooling fascist propaganda ?

...and how could ANYONE have been so stupid and lemming-like to have believed it ?

You, Church-Slave, have fanatical Christian madmen currently in the 'House', many who pushed for the killing of US Soldiers to better promote their "End of Intelligent Times" madness, and they are a far greater threat than Rep. Andre Carson.
Why are you unable to see this ?

How about you give this Man the benefit of the doubt, and judge him on his works and value him on his merits, instead of spewing your ignorance, inbreeding and intolerant fear all over the internut ?

Oyis, because you are a special person, this is for you. Try to understand it.

"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it. Through violence you may murder the liar, but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth. Through violence you may murder the hater, but you do not murder hate. In fact, violence merely increases hate. So it goes. Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."
-- Martin Luther King
popsicles

Falkirk, UK

#14 Mar 12, 2008
Pierre France wrote:
The day that comes when such racist and paranoid fear-mongering like this is but a dim, distant echo of a dark and somber time, when idiocy was common, and morons waved fear and white hoods as if they were important.
Will, you're part of a disease, a dying, rotting, stinking zombie of the vileness that is possible in the blackened and corrupt heart of ignorant and intolerant men.
How about you stuff your prejudice into your dungarees pocket, and judge this man on his actions and efficiancy in working for you, the American people, instead of the superficial skin color and the fact that he has a different way of looking at God, the same God, BTW, as you ?
While you're pondering this, go and read the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights.
Spend a bit of time reading about James Madison, as well. Learn your history. Understand your future.
Think about this, too.
"We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people."
-- John F. Kennedy
muslim is not a skin colour.
I have no idea what colour this guy is, it's not possible to tell from his name OR his religion.
Bob Abraham

AOL

#15 Mar 12, 2008
SICK TO MY STOMACH wrote:
LET ME ADD THIS INFORMATION. WHEN I WAS YOUNGER I FELT THE SAME AS THE GENTLMAN SCREAMING RACISM. FIRST LET ME SAY, JUDGING A MAN BY THE COLOR OF A MAN'S SKIN IS RACISM. JUDGING A MAN BY HIS BELIEF'S IS NOT. WHAT HE BELIEVES IS WHO HE IS AND WHAT HE REPRESENTS.

I HAVE MET MUSLIM'S FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD. THE ONE THING THEY ALL HAD IN COMMON IS THAT IF YOUR SKIN IS WHITE, OR YOU DONT BELIEVE WHAT THEY BELIEVE, YOU ARE THE ENEMY. I WORKED WITH A 15 YEAR OLD MUSLIM BOY FROM AFRICA. HE HATED ME BECAUSE I WAS WHITE. HE TOLD ME SO, BECAUSE I ASKED HIM. HE WAS ALWAYS PLEASANT TO MY FACE, UNTIL I ASK HIM WHAT MUSLIMS BELIEVE. HOWEVER, IT WAS MY FIRST ENCOUNTER WITH RACISM FOR ME. HE HAD HATE IN HIS HEART FOR NON-MUSLIMS, PARTICULARLY WHITES. AFTER DISCUSSING HIS RELIGION WITH HIM HE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THIS HATE WAS THERE AND THE POLITENESS WAS A MASK. I WAS HIS ENEMY. ALL, AND I MEAN ALL, OF MY DEALINGS WITH MUSLIMS IN MY 53 YEARS HAVE RESULTED IN FLAT OUT DEEP SEATED HATE FOR ME BECAUSE I WAS WHITE AND NON-MUSLIM. I WAS NOT CONFRONTATIONAL WHEN ASKING THEM ABOUT THE MUSLIM FAITH. THEY WERE LIKE WOLVES IN SHEEPS CLOTHING.

I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM SOME MUSLIMS ABOUT THEIR BELIEF SYSTEM. ANY MUSLIMS OUT THERE WILLING TO COMMENT? FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE IS MY KNOWLEDGE OF MUSLIMS. PLEASE TELL ME THE 50 OR SO MUSLIMS IVE MET ARE JUST AN UNBELIEVABLE STATISTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE COINCIDENCE. <quoted text>
You dont look like someone that wants to hear anything. For one, you have to stop shouting before you can start listening. So, can you please turn off the cap lock?
pieter stuyvesant

Toulouse, France

#16 Mar 12, 2008
PIERRE FRANCE, I am not speaking about hate, I am pointing to the way and how we let people live with us who hate us and are jalous of our free way of thinking, I know Moslims I even have them in my famelie, we TRY to give our thought to each other, but in the circumstance of the moment we are drifting apart, we are still on friendly thurms, but you can feel clearly that we live in two seperate worlds, but in the same country, luckely they are wel educated thats the reasen we can stil very well live to gether, but some younger people get sometimes very nasty and even hostile, and criticize our way of living, and how we listen to our woman, and want to change our communeties, and atack coherence in our society. Most Moslims I now are marryd to a close famelie member, thats all the time subject of discusion, we dont like it at all, while we have seen some problems arise from this,but Moslim feeling is that this is not to discuss. Their is a wall somewhere, and this wall is gething higher and higher, the more Moslims in a new country the higher the wall gets.
Sutra

Croydon, UT

#17 Mar 12, 2008
Pierre France wrote:
Why are you sheep so ignorant ?
Why are you incapable of spelling, or even spell-checking ?
Why do you make no sense ?
Why are you afraid of NOTHING ?
Who has polluted your simple, amoeba-like brains with such drooling fascist propaganda ?
...and how could ANYONE have been so stupid and lemming-like to have believed it ?
You, Church-Slave, have fanatical Christian madmen currently in the 'House', many who pushed for the killing of US Soldiers to better promote their "End of Intelligent Times" madness, and they are a far greater threat than Rep. Andre Carson.
Why are you unable to see this ?
How about you give this Man the benefit of the doubt, and judge him on his works and value him on his merits, instead of spewing your ignorance, inbreeding and intolerant fear all over the internut ?
Oyis, because you are a special person, this is for you. Try to understand it.
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it. Through violence you may murder the liar, but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth. Through violence you may murder the hater, but you do not murder hate. In fact, violence merely increases hate. So it goes. Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."
-- Martin Luther King
I don't think that you understand why people don't like Islam. I am no Church Slave, and I dislike Muslims. Muslim terrorists attacked my country, killed MY father in the 9/11 attacks, and have shown nothing but Anger and Intolerance towards America and any who oppose Islam. I have every single reason to hate what I want to hate, and you have no power over that.

BTW, Martin Luther King was against RACISM, not against intolerance of other Ideaologies.
Bob Abraham

AOL

#18 Mar 12, 2008
Sutra wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't think that you understand why people don't like Islam. I am no Church Slave, and I dislike Muslims. Muslim terrorists attacked my country, killed MY father in the 9/11 attacks, and have shown nothing but Anger and Intolerance towards America and any who oppose Islam. I have every single reason to hate what I want to hate, and you have no power over that.
BTW, Martin Luther King was against RACISM, not against intolerance of other Ideaologies.
So how did you become an expert on the beliefs of Martin Luther King Jr.?

Pierre France

“Cogito Ergo Sum”

Since: Feb 08

South of France

#19 Mar 12, 2008
Sutra, you should read Dr Kings words again.
Also, you should look very hard at who REALLY attacked you, and why.
What did it bring OBL and the cause of radical Islam ?
Who really profitted, in all the senses of the term, from all those Saudis attacking you ?

What would make people hate America enough to kill themselves trying to hurt you ?
Why are you hated ?

I'll give you some clues.
It's NOT because of your supposed "Freedom".
It's NOT because you promote a vulgar and demeaning view of women, with your siliconed "Bay-Watch" bounce and jiggle (this is REALLY popular in the Muddle East...) and it's NOT because they want big Macs and school shootings.

Try to examine things like the Shah, like the creation of the Mujahiddeen, like the fact that oil is critical to you and your companies.( Most of your oil DOESN'T come from the ME, but the profits do..)
Try to understand as well that certain leaders like to point to America as the bogeyman, because it keeps the people occupied looking outwards at an external 'enemy', so they don't see their leaders looting their riches.
Look as well at who supported OBL, Saddam and all the others.
The BBC documentary "Power of Nightmares" is obligatory viewing if you're really serious about understanding your fathers sacrifice.

I'm truly sorry for the death of your father in 9/11, just like I'm sorry for the million or so deaths that followed on, plus all those who will die due to the asbestos poisoning and other after-effects of the war.
If I was you, I would want more than anything else to understand WHY, and WHO.
And I'm sorry, but those questions have NEVER been answered.
Hate can make you blind.
Try to see.
Church Slave

Seattle, WA

#20 Mar 12, 2008
Pierre France wrote:
Why are you sheep so ignorant ?

I will never vote for anyone that has to pray to Allah every time they have a bowel movement. I just won't. Not ever. His religion won't even allow this guy to use a urinal for god's sake and we are going to have him voting in congress?

As for MLK. I don't wish him shot, but I will not worship a man that was shot at a motel with his mistress while his wife is home changing diapers. The man was about as holy as a used condom but you can bet that MLK would have not supported Andre Carson any more than I would.
Chris

United States

#21 Mar 12, 2008
SICK TO MY STOMACH wrote:
LET ME ADD THIS INFORMATION. WHEN I WAS YOUNGER I FELT THE SAME AS THE GENTLMAN SCREAMING RACISM. FIRST LET ME SAY, JUDGING A MAN BY THE COLOR OF A MAN'S SKIN IS RACISM. JUDGING A MAN BY HIS BELIEF'S IS NOT. WHAT HE BELIEVES IS WHO HE IS AND WHAT HE REPRESENTS.
I HAVE MET MUSLIM'S FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD. THE ONE THING THEY ALL HAD IN COMMON IS THAT IF YOUR SKIN IS WHITE, OR YOU DONT BELIEVE WHAT THEY BELIEVE, YOU ARE THE ENEMY. I WORKED WITH A 15 YEAR OLD MUSLIM BOY FROM AFRICA. HE HATED ME BECAUSE I WAS WHITE. HE TOLD ME SO, BECAUSE I ASKED HIM. HE WAS ALWAYS PLEASANT TO MY FACE, UNTIL I ASK HIM WHAT MUSLIMS BELIEVE. HOWEVER, IT WAS MY FIRST ENCOUNTER WITH RACISM FOR ME. HE HAD HATE IN HIS HEART FOR NON-MUSLIMS, PARTICULARLY WHITES. AFTER DISCUSSING HIS RELIGION WITH HIM HE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THIS HATE WAS THERE AND THE POLITENESS WAS A MASK. I WAS HIS ENEMY. ALL, AND I MEAN ALL, OF MY DEALINGS WITH MUSLIMS IN MY 53 YEARS HAVE RESULTED IN FLAT OUT DEEP SEATED HATE FOR ME BECAUSE I WAS WHITE AND NON-MUSLIM. I WAS NOT CONFRONTATIONAL WHEN ASKING THEM ABOUT THE MUSLIM FAITH. THEY WERE LIKE WOLVES IN SHEEPS CLOTHING.
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM SOME MUSLIMS ABOUT THEIR BELIEF SYSTEM. ANY MUSLIMS OUT THERE WILLING TO COMMENT? FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE IS MY KNOWLEDGE OF MUSLIMS. PLEASE TELL ME THE 50 OR SO MUSLIMS IVE MET ARE JUST AN UNBELIEVABLE STATISTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE COINCIDENCE. <quoted text>
Funny, my 1st hand experience has been far different. Most of them were good people. A couple idiots, but I've met idiots from every walk of life.

Perhaps we should take Martin Luther King at face value. Judge by the quality of their character, not race, religion, sex, or other.
Chris

United States

#22 Mar 12, 2008
Church Slave wrote:
<quoted text>
I will never vote for anyone that has to pray to Allah every time they have a bowel movement. I just won't. Not ever. His religion won't even allow this guy to use a urinal for god's sake and we are going to have him voting in congress?
As for MLK. I don't wish him shot, but I will not worship a man that was shot at a motel with his mistress while his wife is home changing diapers. The man was about as holy as a used condom but you can bet that MLK would have not supported Andre Carson any more than I would.
And your lack of compassion is no better! And your stereotyping of Muslims is no better than racism.

And let me know when you find a human being without sin. If you are so concerned about drinking from a clean vessel, I fear you will die of thirst before you find one.

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