Letter to the Editor: Illegal immigra...

Letter to the Editor: Illegal immigration a state matter?

There are 139 comments on the Public Opinion story from Jun 9, 2010, titled Letter to the Editor: Illegal immigration a state matter?. In it, Public Opinion reports that:

I am one of an increasing number of Americans who are fed up with the problem of illegal immigration and the resulting costs and contention.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Public Opinion.

Grnshirt

Carlisle, PA

#44 Jun 10, 2010
Dave wrote:
<quoted text>
Another person provoing my point.
That Hispanic that gets pulled over could be a US citizen. A US Citizen that is likely to be asked to present papers based on the idea that they are Hispanic.
Anymore out there that do not distinquish between Hispanic & Illegal?
You say potatoe.. I say potato... all comes out in the wash.
Mothra

Douglas, WY

#45 Jun 10, 2010
Dave wrote:
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This Arizona Law says it is illegal to racially profile but really, when certain law enforcement stops a person, what will determine whether they persue verifying citizenship? We all know that when they see a Hispanic, their mind will begin searching for a reason instead of searching for a reason without consideration of the person's ethnicity.
We are not mind readers so how do you tell if racial profiling is happening or if it isn't?
This law gives cover to racial profiling.
I read the posts here. I read how illegals & Hispanics becomne interchangeble with many, mnany posters.
First off, "certain law enforcement stops a person"... what do you mean,'certain'? The AZ law applies to all law enforcement.

Second, "We all know that when they see a Hispanic, their mind will begin searching for a reason instead of searching for a reason without consideration of the person's ethnicity."

We 'know' that? Really? You yourself admit to not being an mind reader, yet you 'know' what the police think?

Third, I'll agree with you that 'Hispanic' and 'illegal' are too often blurred (although I prefer the term 'Latino'.) Perhaps you should look for clarification when someone fails to make that distinction instead of offering it as 'proof' of whatever point you were trying to make of it.
scripto

Willow Grove, PA

#46 Jun 10, 2010
Well wrote:
<quoted text>Ummm Dave what part of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS do you not get? The US constitution is for legal US citizens.
The US Constitution applies to the Federal Government. The State Constitution applies to the State Government. The rights under the law apply to all persons within the jurisdiction, citizens or not. And you can't tell who's a citizen or a criminal until you execise due process under the law.
Glasnos

El Paso, TX

#47 Jun 10, 2010
right wrote:
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But everyone knows he won't. Remember is aunt that was denied a visa and lived off our system for so long. When he became president, by some miracle she was granted her visa.
It was actually worse than that. A judge ordered her deported ... and she defied the order, and lived in subsidized housing and other government benefits for a couple of years ... but instead of being immediately deported when found, was given yet another hearing.

I doubt many of us could defy a judges order without consequences ... and she is not even a citizen.
Alex

Waynesboro, PA

#48 Jun 10, 2010
If you send all the Hispanics to their countries....who is going to work for all of you idiotsssss... I don't understand and I will tell everybody that Public Opinion is the worst news paper that I have ever read..... And this is just a remainder to all the "Americans" that think they are the owners of this land, the real owners are the Native Americans, remember that you or your ancestors were immigrants and you destroyed this land.......

In streets you can see the teen agers looking for drugs, alcohol and sex…. What can of culture is thisss??? How the American culture right??? At least the Hispanics travel around the world but most of the Americans never traveled perhaps probably had never get out of Pennsylvania haha that’s ashamed
Right

Chambersburg, PA

#49 Jun 10, 2010
Glasnos wrote:
<quoted text>
It was actually worse than that. A judge ordered her deported ... and she defied the order, and lived in subsidized housing and other government benefits for a couple of years ... but instead of being immediately deported when found, was given yet another hearing.
I doubt many of us could defy a judges order without consequences ... and she is not even a citizen.
She is not a citizen and yet she does not have to follow the "law" after a judge ordered her to be deported. Instead she stayed in the US and continued living off of us taxpayers. I am so tired of helping all the illegals when I myself work my a*s off to provide for my family.
huh

Chambersburg, PA

#50 Jun 10, 2010
scripto wrote:
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The US Constitution applies to the Federal Government. The State Constitution applies to the State Government. The rights under the law apply to all persons within the jurisdiction, citizens or not. And you can't tell who's a citizen or a criminal until you execise due process under the law.
I agree, but we citizens must have a social security card and Drivers lics and when you apply for a job or social security or any govt or state program we have to prove we are legal citizens of the US. Drivers Lic and ss card are documents we are required to have, so why all the fuss over illegals having documentation? If you are here legal you have nothing to worry about, if your not then you can't be here.
Dances with Wolves

United States

#51 Jun 10, 2010
Alex wrote:
If you send all the Hispanics to their countries....who is going to work for all of you idiotsssss... I don't understand and I will tell everybody that Public Opinion is the worst news paper that I have ever read..... And this is just a remainder to all the "Americans" that think they are the owners of this land, the real owners are the Native Americans, remember that you or your ancestors were immigrants and you destroyed this land.......
In streets you can see the teen agers looking for drugs, alcohol and sex…. What can of culture is thisss??? How the American culture right??? At least the Hispanics travel around the world but most of the Americans never traveled perhaps probably had never get out of Pennsylvania haha that’s ashamed
You really are joking right? You really had me when you suggested that the illegals invaders work for me...LOL

We are a Nation with laws; do you even understand that concept? We have a Constitution and a process for entering this Country legally; did you know that? We welcome "immigrants" who will adapt to our Constitution, our laws, our flag and our language; do you follow so far? We do not welcome invaders who think they are entitled to what we work hard for and do not respect our Country, our laws, our flag or our language.

All illegals and their offspring are free to leave at any time. As for your comment - you obviously ain't that bright so I'll cut you some slack and assume you were just playing.
wow

Carlisle, PA

#52 Jun 10, 2010
huh wrote:
<quoted text> I agree, but we citizens must have a social security card and Drivers lics and when you apply for a job or social security or any govt or state program we have to prove we are legal citizens of the US. Drivers Lic and ss card are documents we are required to have, so why all the fuss over illegals having documentation? If you are here legal you have nothing to worry about, if your not then you can't be here.
I am in no way supportive of illegals, but the people that want to avoid being detained will need to provide far more than their driver's license. The problem is, they haven't determined what is sufficient. Will it be a raised seal copy of a birth certificate?
(That was what they required of the man detained a few weeks ago, his wife had to bring it in before they would release him from a holding cell. NOT under the Arizona law, completely legal, if irritating detainment for a guy on the way to work.)
If you carried it on you that means it could be easily stolen, which is why officials normally tell you to keep a copy in a safe place.

FYI, they recommended people STOP carrying their social security cards on their person because of identity theft, so if you're doing that on a regular basis, you should stop.
Alex

Waynesboro, PA

#53 Jun 10, 2010
Dances with Wolves wrote:
<quoted text>
You really are joking right? You really had me when you suggested that the illegals invaders work for me...LOL
We are a Nation with laws; do you even understand that concept? We have a Constitution and a process for entering this Country legally; did you know that? We welcome "immigrants" who will adapt to our Constitution, our laws, our flag and our language; do you follow so far? We do not welcome invaders who think they are entitled to what we work hard for and do not respect our Country, our laws, our flag or our language.
All illegals and their offspring are free to leave at any time. As for your comment - you obviously ain't that bright so I'll cut you some slack and assume you were just playing.
probably they dont work for you jerk but they work for other americans....... also I bet you that your parents or ancestors were invaders or I'm wrong??? who is proud to be American....go to Eurpoe and you will see .....they hate americans because most of you are nasty and most of you dont have moral...Plain and simpleeee get a liveeee
Dances with Wolves

United States

#54 Jun 10, 2010
Alex wrote:
<quoted text>
probably they dont work for you jerk but they work for other americans....... also I bet you that your parents or ancestors were invaders or I'm wrong??? who is proud to be American....go to Eurpoe and you will see .....they hate americans because most of you are nasty and most of you dont have moral...Plain and simpleeee get a liveeee
Are you 12 years old Alex?

I am proud to be an American, and I am certainly not alone. I don't care who hates us. And none of my ancestors were invaders either. The ones who immigrated here did so LEGALLY. So you see, your rant has no substance and is childish, so I can only assume that school is out for the summer and you are bored because mommy and daddy are working and left you all alone. Pity.
Alex

Waynesboro, PA

#55 Jun 10, 2010
hahaha you made me laugh, your daddy and mommy.....Idiot they dont work hahah they live from SS...and you came legally??? Hahahha in a ship without a visa? Or did you whitie mommy had you an a farm?? get a live dude I'm old enough to play with babyssssssss
not one

Newville, PA

#56 Jun 10, 2010
I agree with you Mr. Conrad. If our federal government wasn't so wimpy and accually stood by the laws in this country there wouldn't be so many illegals over here. Time for each state to stand on this.

“If it ain't broke don't fix it”

Since: Jul 09

Arcadia, LA.

#57 Jun 10, 2010
Giant Yellow Jacket wrote:
Is there any evidence the Arizona law actually works and isn't just some political, "feel good" legislation?
Is there any evidence it doesn't? Especially considering that it hasn't even gone into affect yet.
LIL JOHN

Landisburg, PA

#59 Jun 10, 2010
wow wrote:
<quoted text>
I am in no way supportive of illegals, but the people that want to avoid being detained will need to provide far more than their driver's license. The problem is, they haven't determined what is sufficient. Will it be a raised seal copy of a birth certificate?
(That was what they required of the man detained a few weeks ago, his wife had to bring it in before they would release him from a holding cell. NOT under the Arizona law, completely legal, if irritating detainment for a guy on the way to work.)
If you carried it on you that means it could be easily stolen, which is why officials normally tell you to keep a copy in a safe place.
FYI, they recommended people STOP carrying their social security cards on their person because of identity theft, so if you're doing that on a regular basis, you should stop.
'''(That was what they required of the man detained a few weeks ago, his wife had to bring it in before they would release him from a holding cell.'''

Lets see '1' man! Wow! what a wide sweep they are making!

There was probably more to the story than was reported, I mean sensationalized!~
FordGuy

Harrisburg, PA

#58 Jun 10, 2010
Ummm...have any of you ever met Earl Conrad? I have. SCARY!!! I think he may be an illegal "alien" from the planet Soltar.
Giant Yellow Jacket

Newport, PA

#60 Jun 10, 2010
Madd1 wrote:
<quoted text> I am hardly naive,politically or in any other context of the word. I do not see where Obama has done an about-face. He still talks about a path to citizenship for the illegal masses when the only path they should be on is one that leads to a port embarkation out of this country. A large percent of the population may be fickle when it comes to other issues but I see them holding both parties responsible for this debacle.
The government has turned a blind-eye to the problem for decades and it has festered far too long. No other first-world country tolerates the blatant disregard for its immigration laws and we should not either.
He doesnt really have to do an an "about face" - this will probably be enough.

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Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, Obama discuss illegal immigration

http://mobile.latimes.com/inf/infomo...

Washington-- President Obama received Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer in the Oval Office on Thursday, but the two made no progress in bridging the enormous gulf that divides them — and the country — over illegal immigration and border security.

Brewer, who recently signed a controversial law requiring Arizona police to check the status of people they lawfully stop and suspect are illegal immigrants, wants more federal resources — including troops, helicopters, drones and fences — devoted to controlling her state's border with Mexico.

“The enemy is in our camp.”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#61 Jun 10, 2010
Giant Yellow Jacket wrote:
Is there any evidence the Arizona law actually works and isn't just some political, "feel good" legislation?
Oh, another "box of rocks" here. The law doesn't go into effect until the end of July. We have to wait.
scripto

Willow Grove, PA

#62 Jun 10, 2010
Dances with Wolves wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you 12 years old Alex?
I am proud to be an American, and I am certainly not alone. I don't care who hates us. And none of my ancestors were invaders either. The ones who immigrated here did so LEGALLY. So you see, your rant has no substance and is childish, so I can only assume that school is out for the summer and you are bored because mommy and daddy are working and left you all alone. Pity.
Mine came here legally too. You know why? Because there weren't any immigration laws. Ask the descendents of any Native American tribe how they feel about your "legal" immigration and whether our ancestors were "invaders" or not. The term legal is historically meaningless. I'm glad I'm an American but I am under no illusion that the founding of our country was anything more than a massive land grab. So don't get all high and mighty about being a "native" American.
Libby

Frederick, MD

#63 Jun 10, 2010
scripto wrote:
<quoted text>
Mine came here legally too. You know why? Because there weren't any immigration laws. Ask the descendents of any Native American tribe how they feel about your "legal" immigration and whether our ancestors were "invaders" or not. The term legal is historically meaningless. I'm glad I'm an American but I am under no illusion that the founding of our country was anything more than a massive land grab. So don't get all high and mighty about being a "native" American.
Christian civilization, by virtue of its exclusiveness, heresy and monotheism, became the self-justifying destroyer of all non-Christian culture. In the first few decades since 1492, it was thought that Indians did not have souls because they were "animals" in human form. Therefore, it was believed they could be hunted down like animals, which they were. It was only in 1530 CE that the Pope declared that the Indians were human. Having established their humanity, it was decided that they must be inducted into Christianity. As the Indians were unwilling, this was accomplished by force. Though the change in their status from animal to human might appear to be an improvement, in reality, little changed in their plight. Unfortunately for the Indians, with the arrival of Christians would come the intolerance for their indigenous ways of life.
No one from Anglox decent should be complaining about illegals, as our ancestors were the illegals.

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