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Hispanics fear profiling under new Arizona law

There are 193175 comments on the www.sunnewspapers.net story from Apr 24, 2010, titled Hispanics fear profiling under new Arizona law. In it, www.sunnewspapers.net reports that:

Arodi Berrelleza isn't one of the targets of Arizona's new law cracking down on illegal immigration a ' he's a U.S. citizen, a high school student from Phoenix.

[A.P.] Phoenix April 24th 2010 sun news paper.net A legal 18 year old is in fear when he's with his friends.. Reported in the article His fear is racial profiling. Advocates plan on fighting the alleged anti civil rights abuse...

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Since: Mar 07

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#204845 Jun 18, 2012
JackMcIntosh wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not in the business of defending Mitt Romney these days, but I think some of you are reading this wrong.
Only time will tell, but I think before long we will see Romney endorse some sort of plan that allows this same group of young people to stay in the country legally.
You don't have to agree with me. Just remember I told you it was coming.
;)
Agree with you, Jack. The thing about Romney is that he can't seem to take a stand on any issue. There's a fog that surrounds him most of the time creating a curtain of uncertainty about almost everything about what he intends to do. I'm amazed that Americans aren't DEMANDING more specificity from him. How can you vote for any candidate that refuses to answer any of the most signficant questions on the minds of voters? What tax credits will he limit? How will he reform immigration? Where will he get the necessary revenues to offset his "desired" tax reductions? Why isn't he "worried about the poor" if he talks about cuts in discretionary spending and how DEEP does he anticipate those cuts going, particular in light of his desire to increase defense spending?

I thought he was vague and didn't answer the questions during the debates (as you know), and I think he has remained just as vague all the way up to this moment in time. No wonder his supporters are at a loss when you ask them what he's going to do to improve their lives. I can't figure out why we'd jump out of one situation and into the unknown but that seems to fall back to old policies and plans that didn't work the first or second times around. They never worked once globalization took off.

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Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#204846 Jun 18, 2012
Deece_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you for real? You really belive the undocumented who happen to have fraudelent or stolen social security numbers (as opposed to those who work under the table and evade taxes) are funding the social security and Medicare I'll be eligible to collect some day?
Hmmm, do you happen to have any stats on what portion of my property taxes goes to fund their offspring's K-12 education or how much of my income is allocated to their health care and other social services?
Give me a break.
The only way you win is to offset your losses via your investments in the market wherein corporations keep turning out record profits. Of course, you have to weigh that investment against the risk of European countries whose economic circumstances are treacherous at best and capable of inflicting real harm here at home. What you cannot do is SAVE with any degree of return on a safe investment that will outpace inflation. Sheesh.
Liberal4Life

Stockton, CA

#204847 Jun 18, 2012
JackMcIntosh wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not in the business of defending Mitt Romney these days, but I think some of you are reading this wrong.
Only time will tell, but I think before long we will see Romney endorse some sort of plan that allows this same group of young people to stay in the country legally.
You don't have to agree with me. Just remember I told you it was coming.
;)
Your probably right Jack, After Obama pulling this Ace out of hole Romney is going to have to play hard defense in order to save a few of those latino voters that might have voted for him by coming up with some kind of well defined solution the only problem is that with the Tea Party calling the shots in his camp he will have a very difficult time and a very thin fine line to walk in any solution that he should suggest? Obama may have also moved very slow on his capaign promise due to the distraction of affordable health care but at least he is in the right party the right side to make this happen unlike Romney. It will be interesting in the coming days to see what he does next?=)

Since: Jan 11

Milton, MA

#204848 Jun 18, 2012
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>Agree with you, Jack. The thing about Romney is that he can't seem to take a stand on any issue. There's a fog that surrounds him most of the time creating a curtain of uncertainty about almost everything about what he intends to do. I'm amazed that Americans aren't DEMANDING more specificity from him. How can you vote for any candidate that refuses to answer any of the most signficant questions on the minds of voters? What tax credits will he limit? How will he reform immigration? Where will he get the necessary revenues to offset his "desired" tax reductions? Why isn't he "worried about the poor" if he talks about cuts in discretionary spending and how DEEP does he anticipate those cuts going, particular in light of his desire to increase defense spending?
I thought he was vague and didn't answer the questions during the debates (as you know), and I think he has remained just as vague all the way up to this moment in time. No wonder his supporters are at a loss when you ask them what he's going to do to improve their lives. I can't figure out why we'd jump out of one situation and into the unknown but that seems to fall back to old policies and plans that didn't work the first or second times around. They never worked once globalization took off.
Hi NTR. No offense, but what specificity has Obama brought to the arena? The timing of this latest EO (or whatever category it falls into) is awfully suspicious.

Politics and personal preferences aside, I genuinely don't see Obama as a strong leader who possesses the strength or fortitude to guide our country through all of its challenges.

I'm a Republican and obviously hold some bias but I can tell you without a doubt I believe our country would have been better off with Hillary Clinton in office than Obama. I simply don't think he has strong executive or leadership skills or the ability to influence others.
Liberal4Life

Stockton, CA

#204849 Jun 18, 2012
Deece_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you for real? You really belive the undocumented who happen to have fraudelent or stolen social security numbers (as opposed to those who work under the table and evade taxes) are funding the social security and Medicare I'll be eligible to collect some day?
Hmmm, do you happen to have any stats on what portion of my property taxes goes to fund their offspring's K-12 education or how much of my income is allocated to their health care and other social services?
Give me a break.
Deece are you really a registered bonafide Tea Party Patriot member?=)! So my question to you whether the Undocumneted worker is using a false social security number or one belonging to someone else they are paying taxes deducted by their employer going into the system unless of course you have some sort of proof that this is not really happening? What does the Tea party play book or I mean handbook have to say about all this?
Liberal4Life

Stockton, CA

#204850 Jun 18, 2012
Deece_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi NTR. No offense, but what specificity has Obama brought to the arena? The timing of this latest EO (or whatever category it falls into) is awfully suspicious.
Politics and personal preferences aside, I genuinely don't see Obama as a strong leader who possesses the strength or fortitude to guide our country through all of its challenges.
I'm a Republican and obviously hold some bias but I can tell you without a doubt I believe our country would have been better off with Hillary Clinton in office than Obama. I simply don't think he has strong executive or leadership skills or the ability to influence others.
So what does Mitt "Willard" Romney have to offer should be the better question? As far as I can see a Romney Presidency would be a disaster? 1.) Romney is a Major Flip Flopper he does not know where he stands not a good sign for a leader? 2.) He practices "Vulture Capitalism" I think "We the People are very sick and tired of Greed is Good in our financial system and in the wrecklessness just to make a buck in compromising our financial system? 3.) Romney, Has stated he would bomb Iran and start another war sorry but this too crazy and too unecessary! I prefer Barack Hussein Obama, Out fearless leader that has promoted Affordable Health Care and under his watch captured and killed Osama Bin Laden and other Alqueda Leaders more so than Dubya and his guys could eve do or not do! SAved our economy from a Depression by using the bail outs to avert a even worse scenario and guess what it's slowly working!!! and now he has accomplished Immigration Reform!

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Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#204851 Jun 18, 2012
Deece_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi NTR. No offense, but what specificity has Obama brought to the arena? The timing of this latest EO (or whatever category it falls into) is awfully suspicious.
Politics and personal preferences aside, I genuinely don't see Obama as a strong leader who possesses the strength or fortitude to guide our country through all of its challenges.
I'm a Republican and obviously hold some bias but I can tell you without a doubt I believe our country would have been better off with Hillary Clinton in office than Obama. I simply don't think he has strong executive or leadership skills or the ability to influence others.
I've long said that I was looking for an alternative to Obama. I voted for him. I've been disappointed by him, but I don't think he's any of the slanderous descriptive adjectives I see used on these threads. I watched all but one Republican debate, coming down to a very reluctant look at Romney, although I never really liked him. Then, he posted his tax reform proposal and economic plan on line, and I was turned off. That was it. So, my vote will go to Obama by default, because I see nothing in the Republican campaign that enthuses me to switch gears. I cannot abide the Social agenda, the right wingers who have been catered to in this campaign of important issues. It's okay with me if you or any other thoughtful human being disagrees and casts a vote for Romney. I just disagree.

What I cannot accept are people who simply HATE Obama for reasons not related to his performance while in office. We didn't go off the cliff. He spent when he shouldn't have spent. He put the cart before the horse. He showed us that he really was green by letting the mid-terms take away his control in Congress in order to deal with our budget and deficit. So, I'm not his champion. He is my choice as the lesser of two evils and for the benefit of the middle middle-class and the poor working class. I have no faith in trickle down economics. I have zip conviction that further relieving the wealthiest of tax obligations will do much at all to boost jobs HERE, and will likely create an even worse scenario for skyrocketing debt unless he intends to gut social welfare and leave the vulnerable to the wolves. Beyond that, all this will do is increase the polarity of wealth at a time when it's already at record levels. JMO, Deece. Last, I abhor the idea of "free market" charter school public education. It stinks, because it disadvantages the poorest children even more.

“THE RUMBLE WILL BECOME A ROAR”

Since: Dec 06

United States of America

#204852 Jun 18, 2012
Richard Guerra wrote:
<quoted text>
If YOU Only Had a Brain - The Wizard of Oz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =nauLgZISozsXX
No Brain? No Heart? No Courage?
Must be a Politician!

Since: Dec 11

Fort Worth, TX

#204853 Jun 18, 2012
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>You posted something earlier, Q., about increased to Medicare premiums which showed a jump to double the deduction starting in 2014. Can you provide me with a link, please?
If accurate, that disturbs me a great deal. Of course I'll be impacted, but more importantly, you have to ask how any senior can set a budget and plan for their retirement years if the contribution to Medicare can double from year to year. I hope what you posted is inaccurate, but if not, it is certainly cause for concern.
If you go to http://quinnscommentary.com/2011/03/09/medica... and click on the highlighted annual Medicare Trustees report and then go to page 234 there is a table with projected medicare costs. The premiums do go up, but not even close to doubling.

Since: Jan 11

Milton, MA

#204854 Jun 18, 2012
Liberal4Life wrote:
<quoted text>Deece are you really a registered bonafide Tea Party Patriot member?=)! So my question to you whether the Undocumneted worker is using a false social security number or one belonging to someone else they are paying taxes deducted by their employer going into the system unless of course you have some sort of proof that this is not really happening? What does the Tea party play book or I mean handbook have to say about all this?
I'm not a Tea Party member and I'm about 30 years away from retirement so I have a vested interest in this.

As to your question: "undocumented" workers who steal SS#s tend to have the bare minimum witheld from their wages and the rest are working in the underground economy, "under-the-table" - for cash. In case you don't know what that means, let me explain..........They're evading income taxes.
JAFO

New York, NY

#204855 Jun 18, 2012
NON COMPLACENT TWINK wrote:
<quoted text>
No Brain? No Heart? No Courage?
Must be a Politician!
Dead Penguins - I never knew this!

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Did you ever wonder why there are no dead penguins on the ice in Antarctica ? Where do they go?

Wonder no more !!!
It is a known fact that the penguin is a very ritualistic bird which lives an extremely ordered and complex life. The penguin is very committed to its family and will mate for life, as well as maintain a form of compassionate contact with its offspring throughout its life.

If a penguin is found dead on the ice surface, other members of the family and social circle have been known to dig holes in the ice, using their vestigial wings and beaks, until the hole is deep enough for the dead bird to be rolled into, and buried.

The male penguins then gather in a circle around the fresh grave and sing:
"Freeze a jolly good fellow."
"Freeze a jolly good fellow."

Then, they kick him in the ice hole.

<aoladp://MA30711621-0002/U ntitled2.gif>
You really didn't believe that I know anything about penguins,

Since: Jan 11

Milton, MA

#204858 Jun 18, 2012
Liberal4Life wrote:
<quoted text>So what does Mitt "Willard" Romney have to offer should be the better question? As far as I can see a Romney Presidency would be a disaster? 1.) Romney is a Major Flip Flopper he does not know where he stands not a good sign for a leader? 2.) He practices "Vulture Capitalism" I think "We the People are very sick and tired of Greed is Good in our financial system and in the wrecklessness just to make a buck in compromising our financial system? 3.) Romney, Has stated he would bomb Iran and start another war sorry but this too crazy and too unecessary! I prefer Barack Hussein Obama, Out fearless leader that has promoted Affordable Health Care and under his watch captured and killed Osama Bin Laden and other Alqueda Leaders more so than Dubya and his guys could eve do or not do! SAved our economy from a Depression by using the bail outs to avert a even worse scenario and guess what it's slowly working!!! and now he has accomplished Immigration Reform!
Are you a product of our public K-12 Public Education System? God help us.
Quirky 1

Denver, CO

#204860 Jun 18, 2012
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>I've long said that I was looking for an alternative to Obama. I voted for him. I've been disappointed by him, but I don't think he's any of the slanderous descriptive adjectives I see used on these threads. I watched all but one Republican debate, coming down to a very reluctant look at Romney, although I never really liked him. Then, he posted his tax reform proposal and economic plan on line, and I was turned off. That was it. So, my vote will go to Obama by default, because I see nothing in the Republican campaign that enthuses me to switch gears. I cannot abide the Social agenda, the right wingers who have been catered to in this campaign of important issues. It's okay with me if you or any other thoughtful human being disagrees and casts a vote for Romney. I just disagree.
What I cannot accept are people who simply HATE Obama for reasons not related to his performance while in office. We didn't go off the cliff. He spent when he shouldn't have spent. He put the cart before the horse. He showed us that he really was green by letting the mid-terms take away his control in Congress in order to deal with our budget and deficit. So, I'm not his champion. He is my choice as the lesser of two evils and for the benefit of the middle middle-class and the poor working class. I have no faith in trickle down economics. I have zip conviction that further relieving the wealthiest of tax obligations will do much at all to boost jobs HERE, and will likely create an even worse scenario for skyrocketing debt unless he intends to gut social welfare and leave the vulnerable to the wolves. Beyond that, all this will do is increase the polarity of wealth at a time when it's already at record levels. JMO, Deece. Last, I abhor the idea of "free market" charter school public education. It stinks, because it disadvantages the poorest children even more.
Did you get my response about the Medicare? I guess I should not have posted that spam E-mail I got. Seems it`s Not correct. Generally the person who sent me that E-Mail is Very reliable. He is a prominent figure around here and a very good friend.

Since: Jan 11

Milton, MA

#204861 Jun 18, 2012
Richard Guerra wrote:
<quoted text>
I went to my dads house in Covina, Ca and my kids were there with a spongebob squarepants pinata for me to break. It was stuffed with funny things like toothpaste, shaving cream, mach5 razor blades and a $20 iTunes gift card. They asked me for 40 bucks last week but I thought it was for them to goto the movies.
Instead they bought me things they know I always need.
They are cool kids.
That's really cute. They sound like cool (and resourceful) kids. Remember finding creative ways to use your Mom and Dad's money to buy their gifts on special occasions? LOL. The good ol' days.

“THE RUMBLE WILL BECOME A ROAR”

Since: Dec 06

United States of America

#204862 Jun 18, 2012
JAFO wrote:
<quoted text>
Dead Penguins - I never knew this!
<aoladp://MA30711621-0001/U ntitled1.gif>
Did you ever wonder why there are no dead penguins on the ice in Antarctica ? Where do they go?
Wonder no more !!!
It is a known fact that the penguin is a very ritualistic bird which lives an extremely ordered and complex life. The penguin is very committed to its family and will mate for life, as well as maintain a form of compassionate contact with its offspring throughout its life.
If a penguin is found dead on the ice surface, other members of the family and social circle have been known to dig holes in the ice, using their vestigial wings and beaks, until the hole is deep enough for the dead bird to be rolled into, and buried.
The male penguins then gather in a circle around the fresh grave and sing:
"Freeze a jolly good fellow."
"Freeze a jolly good fellow."
Then, they kick him in the ice hole.
<aoladp://MA30711621-0002/U ntitled2.gif>
You really didn't believe that I know anything about penguins,
You do know of course that if you want to catch a polar bear, you cut a hole in the ice and sprinkle peas around the hole. When the polar bear comes to take a pea, you kick him in the ice hole.:)
Quirky 1

Denver, CO

#204863 Jun 18, 2012
Richard Guerra wrote:
<quoted text>
I went to my dads house in Covina, Ca and my kids were there with a spongebob squarepants pinata for me to break. It was stuffed with funny things like toothpaste, shaving cream, mach5 razor blades and a $20 iTunes gift card. They asked me for 40 bucks last week but I thought it was for them to goto the movies.
Instead they bought me things they know I always need.
They are cool kids.
Did ya ever see that Saturday night Live skit with Jim Cary And the Mach 8 Razor?

Diarico?

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Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#204865 Jun 18, 2012
Terry Buckeye wrote:
<quoted text>
If you go to http://quinnscommentary.com/2011/03/09/medica... and click on the highlighted annual Medicare Trustees report and then go to page 234 there is a table with projected medicare costs. The premiums do go up, but not even close to doubling.
Very helpful! Thank you so much, Terry. It seems rumours abound, and Quirky just helped with that one. The cost per/month in 2014 for current retirees who are held harmless in the event COLA doesn't increase, will be $123.10.

“Try Reuters.”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#204867 Jun 18, 2012
Quirky 1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you get my response about the Medicare? I guess I should not have posted that spam E-mail I got. Seems it`s Not correct. Generally the person who sent me that E-Mail is Very reliable. He is a prominent figure around here and a very good friend.
Just now saw your post. I had been reading from Terry's link and then the .pdf when I posted. Yes, everybody gets hit with rumours from time to time, even when friends are usually reliable. At any rate, it isn't nearly as bad as it looked, because that really was the difference in a retiree buying food or meds and paying for his/her Medicare - which I found grossly unfair in terms of anybody being able to PLAN their retirement. No problem.
Liberal4Life

Stockton, CA

#204869 Jun 18, 2012
Deece_ wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not a Tea Party member and I'm about 30 years away from retirement so I have a vested interest in this.
As to your question: "undocumented" workers who steal SS#s tend to have the bare minimum witheld from their wages and the rest are working in the underground economy, "under-the-table" - for cash. In case you don't know what that means, let me explain..........They're evading income taxes.
Well thats good to hear so then why do you support the Tea Party? What's in the Tea Party for you anyway just curious? So you claim that the employers deduct the bare minimum huh? and the all "work for cash under the table? Really if they do it's not much money they are amking partner I believe that you would be incorrect this would not benefit the employer for number one he can be audited by both the state and feds so he will do all he can to keep these folks on the books to appear ligit even though the employer is not.

Since: Jan 11

Milton, MA

#204870 Jun 18, 2012
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>I've long said that I was looking for an alternative to Obama. I voted for him. I've been disappointed by him, but I don't think he's any of the slanderous descriptive adjectives I see used on these threads. I watched all but one Republican debate, coming down to a very reluctant look at Romney, although I never really liked him. Then, he posted his tax reform proposal and economic plan on line, and I was turned off. That was it. So, my vote will go to Obama by default, because I see nothing in the Republican campaign that enthuses me to switch gears. I cannot abide the Social agenda, the right wingers who have been catered to in this campaign of important issues. It's okay with me if you or any other thoughtful human being disagrees and casts a vote for Romney. I just disagree.
What I cannot accept are people who simply HATE Obama for reasons not related to his performance while in office. We didn't go off the cliff. He spent when he shouldn't have spent. He put the cart before the horse. He showed us that he really was green by letting the mid-terms take away his control in Congress in order to deal with our budget and deficit. So, I'm not his champion. He is my choice as the lesser of two evils and for the benefit of the middle middle-class and the poor working class. I have no faith in trickle down economics. I have zip conviction that further relieving the wealthiest of tax obligations will do much at all to boost jobs HERE, and will likely create an even worse scenario for skyrocketing debt unless he intends to gut social welfare and leave the vulnerable to the wolves. Beyond that, all this will do is increase the polarity of wealth at a time when it's already at record levels. JMO, Deece. Last, I abhor the idea of "free market" charter school public education. It stinks, because it disadvantages the poorest children even more.
It's late /early here in the Northeast and my alarm's going off at 6:00 so I've got to hit the sack. I'll catch up with you tomorrow, NTR.

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