Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“I started out with nothing”

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Cybele wrote:
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So did Newton with his Law of Gravity and his mysticism. So did Galileo who was a devout Catholic and known to be the Father of Science. So did Georges Lemaitre, a Catholic priest who proposed the Big Bang Theory, etc. The point is even Scientists believe in a God.
Some scientists, please be precise when you are making such bold statements, it makes the majority look bad. Certainly most scientists were religious in the repressive past (most people were (or else were punished (often violently))), in the more enlightened present this is not necessarily so.

According to a 1998 report in the journal Nature, a recent survey found that 93% of NAS members are either atheists or agnostics. http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/news/file...

Using such data (and the 50 state religion in prison survey) then if all atheists and agnostics were removed from the USA, it would lose 93% of the National Academy of Sciences but less than 1% of the prison population. Go figure…

Galileo’s devout faith did not stop him being denounced to the Inquisition in 1615 and being tried and condemned by the Inquisition in 1633, to live the rest of his life under house arrest.

Darwin, in a letter to John Fordyce in 1879 "I have never been an atheist in the sense of denying the existence of a God.– I think that an agnostic would be the most correct description of my state of mind.”– by his own words, agnostic.

Although not a religious man Einstein’s Jewish upbringing did not stop him discovering the formula that shows that no omnipotent being (Revelation 19:6 KJV) can exist in this universe at the same time as you (E=MC^2). Nor did it stop him writing, "For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions”

Edward Teller - agnostic

Robert Oppenheimer never believed in or practiced any religion

James Watson - atheist

Francis Crick - atheist.

Carl Sagan - agnostic

Stephen Hawking - atheist.

Brian Cox - is comfortable with the unknown and does not need answers to everything.“As far as I am concerned we are information processing devices, which require energy… we convert food for energy… we are basically heat engines. This is how steam engines work, and fridge’s. So if there is an afterlife, I would have to reconsider the engineering design of fridge’s”

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Cybele wrote:
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They know who they are. Don't need to pinpoint anyone.
I didn't ask who they were. I asked how you came to that conclusion.
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GatorBUILT wrote:
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Substitute fossil fuels for religion, and survivalist for athest and you may be on to something...
I have no doubt that most fundamentalists have a twisted up personal interpretation of Christianity only as a means of perpetuating lies in pursuit of their selfishness. I just don't see too much of a difference between them and most other groups of Americans who think the system doesn't work, and are glad to break the law in their own private pursuits. Some are just more aggressive on the individual level than others. Some do little more than keep their silence to protect their jobs. It's all BS to me.

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That he was human, tampon.
So are the deities throughout human history...NONE are real...ALL are MYTHS...and YOUR point is???

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Cybele wrote:
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So did Newton with his Law of Gravity and his mysticism. So did Galileo who was a devout Catholic and known to be the Father of Science. So did Georges Lemaitre, a Catholic priest who proposed the Big Bang Theory, etc. The point is even Scientists believe in a God.
Gee, nobody knew that...and do you really believe that should any of them be alive today, given the CURRENT state of science, technoloy and its continued progress, that they would have such so-called faith? I don't...in fct,they didn't even hold their respective cutures views duing their lifetimes...didn't mention that ALL of those folks placed knowldge before deities no that they are known historically as SCIENTISTS, and their accomlishmentd in SCIENCE, ot RELIGION...beCause THEY were SMARTER than the average pew-sitter.

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woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, theology is an amazing science.
studying how people will try to rationalize what they know to be a lie is fascinating. even when they can be shown openly that they were lied to, they will try for years to try and twist the lie to support their cult's beliefs....
it's way better than watching rats runa maze, and they can almost feed themslelves....
Agreed. It's virtually impossible for them to apply the same rational they use to dismiss every other possible 'god' ever imagined by man to the 'god' the were raised to believe is 'real'. For them, it's easier to cling to their beliefs, no matter how absurd, than it is to admit they are wrong

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the only crime committed against humanity is homosexuality the decietfulness is trmenondous in that mutated gene it's traits are disintegrating the fabric of EVERYTHING
only mistake were the condoms that weren't used
WOW...homophobe, much? Just come out of the closet Father McQueery...we all know that themajority of priests are gay, KIng Jameswas gay and tha Jesuswore a dress to a dinner party with his 12- erm- MALE DISCIPLES...but I bet you still hu that bible close oyour groin, to get a warm-fuzzy, eh? Sad watching a homosexualliv in denial, self-hate and then lash out, becuase they're afraid to disapoint mommy and daddy..get some help before you kill yourel, or others...no, seriously...do it TODAY

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John three sixteen wrote:
Attention Creationists!
Please go over to the SDA forum Topix.. on the thread entitled "ATHEIST HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS" the atheists are very annoying..they(the atheists)have invaded the SDA Christian forum..Come Help with the Debate please! Thanks a million dear Christians!!!!!! God Bless!
Lemme get my smiting stick...be there in a jiffy...

Did you EVER think for ONCE, that Xins are scientists, too?!?

Hmmmmmmm....catechism education...'nuff said

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Langoliers wrote:
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" I dony speak Godsmack"
You should leave then seeing as you can't keep up.
Why? You've been loitering and malingering for quite a long time..yet you're just spouting the same crap from 2000years ago...you'veresorted to one-liners, because that's ALL YOU HAVE...I'll be crushing you today, my pet...ready?

See, moron, you're so worried that bcuase you re currently one of 23 daily morons, against 100s of sciencey-types that if you diod leave it would be tantamount to defeat...sorry to burst your bubble, but you'r lik the 10,000th fundiot who has trolled the site...they come in the following flavors:
1) sanctimonious trolls- BKA: fundiots; bible-thumpers, bible-huggers, evnglicals, etc, etc
2) denialist trolls- BKA: MORONS...hicks, hayseeds, dropouts,
3) ignorant trolls- literalists, evangelicals, Phelpsians, etc, etc

Yourtact is so transparent, so tired-a$$, so old-school, yet it fades with every post...you'll tire, eventually of being beat the F^CK down...no matter, we just keep on crushin'

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Alpha and Omega means the source( beginning) and the end of life( existence). No one fits in, in that attributes except God almighty.
I was in a fraternity...Alpha and Omega are lettrs of the greek alphabet...now ya gotza youz som college edumacation...for free!

A$$clownery gets you nowhere , but does lead to douchebaggery...LOFL

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> The same apologetic sites that can not truly explain the questions at hand.
Why are the apes, worms, and other living agents not transforming again into human form?
Did it just stop by accident or what?
And now we have it...LAMARCKIAN evolutio is what you think?

Bwahahahhahah...here's some more 'educative' stuff...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamarckian_evolu...

you fail middle school biology, epically...CONGRATULATIONS...y our'e officialy creatarded.

“I see quantum effects”

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Kong_ wrote:
A bit off-topic, but something's fishy with this:
"Lamborghini crash kills Kissimmee woman, Winter Haven man.
Tiffany Beene was treasurer of a Christian non-profit."
(Yes...Tiffany owned the Lamborghini)
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/bre...
Apparently there's good money in Christian non-profits.
I watch these tv evangelists and think to myself, "if only I didn't have a conscience."

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Ofcourse. And many other sites including Wikipedia and others.
Show me your evidence.
MY evidence?

Sorry.

I'm not involved in the research.

You can find the evidence other independent sources and fields of study have found and make your own evaluation.

But, of course, you don't have enough personal integrity to do that.

Tell you what.

When you've looked at the real, independently arrived at evidence with the same rigor that I've looked for evidence of your, or any other god or intelligent creator, we can talk.

Until then, you've got nothing.

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ztormbringer wrote:
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There is, the mafia and drug cartels recognized this about 20-25 years ago and jumped on the gravy train. Dig deep enough into non-profit structures and you'll run across their spore. From no-bid purchasing for building materials , to funny bookkeeping it's all there if anyone want's to look. Often the excuse given when caught is they were doing "good" with "dirty" money. Um, that's money laundering.
The FFRF has filed suit against the IRS for not requiring churches to provide the same onerous and costly yearly applications that are required of non sectarian non profits.

Churches should be accountable for their finances the same as any other non profit that is granted tax free status.

As of now, they, in large part, are not.

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Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>So, three out of three problems already solved by Inflation.

Perhaps the US national debt is next.
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GatorBUILT wrote:
<quoted text>Why? You've been loitering and malingering for quite a long time..yet you're just spouting the same crap from 2000years ago...you'veresorted to one-liners, because that's ALL YOU HAVE...I'll be crushing you today, my pet...ready?

See, moron, you're so worried that bcuase you re currently one of 23 daily morons, against 100s of sciencey-types that if you diod leave it would be tantamount to defeat...sorry to burst your bubble, but you'r lik the 10,000th fundiot who has trolled the site...they come in the following flavors:
1) sanctimonious trolls- BKA: fundiots; bible-thumpers, bible-huggers, evnglicals, etc, etc
2) denialist trolls- BKA: MORONS...hicks, hayseeds, dropouts,
3) ignorant trolls- literalists, evangelicals, Phelpsians, etc, etc

Yourtact is so transparent, so tired-a$$, so old-school, yet it fades with every post...you'll tire, eventually of being beat the F^CK down...no matter, we just keep on crushin'
Wow I'm sure am glad you're on these threads! I use to be the worst typist on here but thanks to you diving way below me I have nothing to worry about anymore. LOL

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Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>I watch these tv evangelists and think to myself, "if only I didn't have a conscience."
Titus 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

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Langoliers wrote:
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"Many people do not believe that the Bible is a reliable document of history. But, the fact is the Bible is very trustworthy as a historical document. If we were to look at a chart that compared the biblical documents with other ancient documents, we would see that the Bible is in a class by itself regarding the number of ancient copies and their reliability. Please consider the chart below."
"It should be obvious that the biblical documents, especially the New Testament documents, are superior in their quantity, time span from original occurrence, and textual reliability. People still question if the documents are reliably transmitted to us; but they should rather ask if the biblical documents record actual historical accounts.
The Bible is a book of History
It could be said that the Bible is a book of history -- and it is. The Bible describes places, people, and events in various degrees of detail. It is essentially an historical account of the people of God throughout thousands of years. If you open to almost any page in the Bible you will find a name of a place and/or a person. Much of this can be verified from archaeology. Though archaeology cannot prove that the Bible is the inspired word of God, it has the ability to prove whether or not some events and locations described therein are true or false. So far, however, there isn't a single archaeological discovery that disproves the Bible in any way."
http://carm.org/can-we-trust-new-testament-hi...
So all of the animals unique to Australia , to use but one example, relocated perhaps, 12-15 years earlier to the (ahem...) holy land to be part of Noah,s grand ark mission?? Sloths found a new found ability to not just swim but perhaps move at 100 to 150 times their present speed and build, I'm supposing , rafts to get there, circumnavigate an ocean that even humans at the time found an extremely formidable proposition all to make biblical prophesy come true!!Please explain oh bible master..........

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Langoliers wrote:
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Titus 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
Are you claiming to be "pure", whatever that means?

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Wow I'm sure am glad you're on these threads! I use to be the worst typist on here but thanks to you diving way below me I have nothing to worry about anymore. LOL
except for blindly believing in an imaginary magic man who hates women of course, congratulations!!!

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