Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 221490 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#29008 Jun 1, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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Just thinking...
Hate to break it to you, but no, you weren't. You were attempting to rationalize the irrational belief. You almost started thinking but then jumped into the presupposition ignoring all the evidence that challenges your presupposition.

Think of it this way, your god is like a pair of black glasses with tiny pinholes to see through, and you're always wearing them when you look at everything. Take the glasses off, in other words don't expect to connect anything to your god, and then you can see a grand image instead of just that tiny piece.

This is why many scientists are heading toward agnostic theist or agnostic atheist, they have to suspend their beliefs in order to actually figure things out, in order to study the universe they have to test it without expecting specific results. Eventually they cannot justify being a gnostic anything as it would seriously hold back the progress of science. Your "god of the gaps" look at how a dinosaur family evolved into birds is limiting your view of evolution. Try it again, but this time do not expect to find a god in there.

“Shoot First, Think Never”

Since: Jun 09

Elk Grove

#29009 Jun 1, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Hate to break it to you, but no, you weren't. You were attempting to rationalize the irrational belief. You almost started thinking but then jumped into the presupposition ignoring all the evidence that challenges your presupposition.
Think of it this way, your god is like a pair of black glasses with tiny pinholes to see through, and you're always wearing them when you look at everything. Take the glasses off, in other words don't expect to connect anything to your god, and then you can see a grand image instead of just that tiny piece.
This is why many scientists are heading toward agnostic theist or agnostic atheist, they have to suspend their beliefs in order to actually figure things out, in order to study the universe they have to test it without expecting specific results. Eventually they cannot justify being a gnostic anything as it would seriously hold back the progress of science. Your "god of the gaps" look at how a dinosaur family evolved into birds is limiting your view of evolution. Try it again, but this time do not expect to find a god in there.
Nice to see you know exactly how I think...{sigh}...

I thought psychics were fake?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#29010 Jun 1, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice to see you know exactly how I think...{sigh}...
I thought psychics were fake?
I don't know exactly how you think, but it is a valid assumption which is more oft proven accurate than not. Considering how easily you buy into supernatural explanations without even considering the natural even when the person who expresses these supernatural abilities admits openly that it's an illusion, an innocent trick not intended to bilk or con. When I was ten I put on an act in a talent show using a set of magic rope tricks, and a magic box trick. All of which are common magic tricks but no one in the audience, at that time, knew how I did them. Many of the other kids asked if I was a witch, they honestly thought it was magic, for a child that is expected, but for an adult it is sad.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#29011 Jun 1, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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The prophecy doesn't say the people would accept Him as ruler...at least at first anyways. His bloodline, humanly speaking comes through David. And He does rule...from heaven.
That's totally disregarding the fact that Zeus rules the entire world.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#29012 Jun 1, 2012
LowellGuy wrote:
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That's totally disregarding the fact that Zeus rules the entire world.
No way! Cthulhu killed and ate Zeus with a side of lamb chop. Cthulhu guides us all now.

Come to think of it, the christian bible IS Cthulhu.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#29013 Jun 1, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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True enough, I actually agree with you. That's what I put up is somewhat tongue-in-cheek humor. I mean yes...I do believe the Bible, creation...salvation in Jesus Christ...God Creator/Father...but I am in no way an authority in science.
Well, maybe in knowing that evolution is shown to be true because of the existence of vampires, werewolves and zombies.
It's hard to argue with vampires. They're quite persuasive.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#29014 Jun 1, 2012
Double Fine wrote:
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Well, he is alot better than some of the other loons I have seen.
Oh, if you want loons, we have Marksman11 (on hiatus at the mo), Charles Idemi, forreal, and Infinite Force. I-F isn't around at this time, so we can only presume the aliens are probing him again.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#29015 Jun 1, 2012
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Our exchange of sentiments, observations,opinions and ideas IS conversation.
Ignoring people's points in favour of preaching ain't conversation. It's just preaching.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#29016 Jun 1, 2012
LowellGuy wrote:
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Nobody cares, Mikey.
(Just saving The Dude some work)
Thanks. It can get pretty exhausting.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#29017 Jun 1, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
http://dinosaurs.about.com/od/ dinosaurbasics/a/pterodactyl-f acts.htm
10. Neither Pteranodon nor Pterodactylus had feathers.
Despite what many people think, modern birds didn't descend from pterosaurs like Pterodactylus and Pteranodon, but from two-legged, carnivorous dinosaurs, many of which were covered with feathers. As far as we know, pterosaurs were strictly reptilian in appearance, though it's conceivable that some odd species had feathers as well.
{Now this is just...no wonder people are confused...birds didn't evolve from the FLYING pteranodon but from land animals...that makes a whole heap of sense...as in NOT...}
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#29018 Jun 1, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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Actually, yeah...
On that note where are the flying rabbits?
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#29019 Jun 1, 2012
LowellGuy wrote:
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http://youtu.be/XcxKIJTb3Hg
Oh, and rabbits aren't rodents.
Nuts.
KJV

United States

#29020 Jun 1, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
John 18:36
King James Version (KJV)

36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
They can't grasp this stuff.
Nice try but were just wasting our time here.

Nice post Though
KJV

United States

#29021 Jun 1, 2012
LowellGuy wrote:
<quoted text>Nobody cares, Mikey.

(Just saving The Dude some work)
Why do you call yourself LowellGuy instead of Alfred E. Newman?
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#29022 Jun 1, 2012
KJV wrote:
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They can't grasp this stuff.
Nice try but were just wasting our time here.
Nice post Though
Yeah, you *are* wasting your time preaching.(shrug)
KJV

United States

#29023 Jun 1, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
<quoted text>You are still misinterpreting...

The Birth of Jesus

Prophecy: Jesus to be born in Bethlehem
Old Testament Reference: Micah 5:2
New Testament Fulfillment: Luke 2:4-7
"But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of you shall come forth to Me the One to be Ruler in Israel, whose goings forth are from of old, from everlasting. " (Micah 5:2)

"Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, to be registered with Mary, his betrothed wife, who was with child. So it was, that while they were there, the days were completed for her to be delivered. And she brought forth her firstborn Son, and wrapped Him in swaddling cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn. " (Luke 2:4-7)
Along these lines have you seen the DVD "The Star of Bethlehem"
It's pretty good.
KJV

United States

#29024 Jun 1, 2012
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>They can't grasp this stuff.
Nice try but were just wasting our time here.

Nice post Though
We're.(sorry about that)

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#29025 Jun 1, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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The prophecy doesn't say the people would accept Him as ruler...at least at first anyways. His bloodline, humanly speaking comes through David. And He does rule...from heaven.
The book is a Jewish holy book. They are speaking of and to the Jewish people. Clearly, this is meant to predict a king that will rule over the Jewish people.

Jesus is not accepted by the Jews.

You are in a circle again.

You claim Jesus is God because of these prophecies.
This prophecy is false (as I've just pointed out)
Your response is that it will be true later/Jesus is in heaven.

However BOTH of those responses are predicated on the first part being true.

You can't use #1 to prove #1.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#29028 Jun 1, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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No way! Cthulhu killed and ate Zeus with a side of lamb chop. Cthulhu guides us all now.
Come to think of it, the christian bible IS Cthulhu.
Please. Lovecraft was a pussy. Zeus is the MAN. He rapes chicks while disguised as a swan (?!), throws lightning bolts wherever he wants when people don't do things just the way he likes, he gets lots of awesome sacrifices of meats and wine, and he doesn't even have to PRESIDE over the other gods...he is simply far more powerful and rules by fiat based on his prowess. He's like an omnipotent electric dick.
yessir

Ardsley, NY

#29029 Jun 1, 2012
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>Then explain why it took so long for an all powerful Jewish Wizard to get things to where they are now.

If there is a "designer" guiding the molecules, why did it take BILLIONS of years?
Did it? Most are satisfied with this time estimate but when competing theories that better explain our observations are not given an honest review by the scientific community, everyone suffers from conclusions that are based upon potentially flawed assumptions.

I'm persuaded by some compelling evidence in astrophysics that provides a better explanation for several of the phenomena we observe in the universe and in nuclear physics. It so happens that billions of years is not necessary to well explain the things we observe.

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