N.J. Gov. Christie now wants in-state...

N.J. Gov. Christie now wants in-state tuition for illegal immigrants

There are 57 comments on the Washington Times story from Oct 13, 2013, titled N.J. Gov. Christie now wants in-state tuition for illegal immigrants. In it, Washington Times reports that:

Immigrant-rights activists say New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie reversed himself Saturday and endorsed giving illegal immigrants in-state college tuition rates, and said he will try to get the issue through his legislature in a lame-duck session.

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Oldglory

Banning, CA

#44 Dec 4, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>First of all, research shows the immigrants who are here illegally have actually contributed to our economy. That does not justify their illegal entry, but I want to get that argument off the table.
Second, how would you handle the estimated 12 million illegals who are already here, some for years?
Thirdly, I am offended by your suggestion that I have no compassion for American citizens. If you can infer that from anything I've said, you are the victim of your own biases.
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Nope! The only thing they are doing is making the rich richer by using their cheap, illegal labor. The rest of us are having to foot the bill for their social costs which is billions a year and any tax contributions they may make doesn't cover those costs. If Americans got their jobs back from them they in turn would be contributing to the economy instead of drawing unemployment or welfare.

I repeat, we need to implement e-verify in every workplace including making those already employed pass it. We need to deny illegal aliens any benefits and end birthright citizenship for their kids. Many if not would leave on their own with no incentives to remain here. It would also deter any future illegal immigration.

Since you think illegals should be treated humanely via an amnesty then you have no compassion for our own citizens because even legalized these people would still remain a burden on the taxpayer and they would be able to retain the jobs that Americans need. How can you claim that your are compassionate for our own citizens with a stance like that? Why do you think these lawbreakers should be rewarded with legalization and/or our citizenship? Many if not most have committed felony ID/SS theft among other crimes. How are they deserving in any way while Americans get the shaft?

“Happiness comes through giving”

Since: Feb 08

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#45 Dec 4, 2013
Oldglory wrote:
<quoted text>l
Nope! The only thing they are doing is making the rich richer by using their cheap, illegal labor. The rest of us are having to foot the bill for their social costs which is billions a year and any tax contributions they may make doesn't cover those costs. If Americans got their jobs back from them they in turn would be contributing to the economy instead of drawing unemployment or welfare.
I repeat, we need to implement e-verify in every workplace including making those already employed pass it. We need to deny illegal aliens any benefits and end birthright citizenship for their kids. Many if not would leave on their own with no incentives to remain here. It would also deter any future illegal immigration.
Since you think illegals should be treated humanely via an amnesty then you have no compassion for our own citizens because even legalized these people would still remain a burden on the taxpayer and they would be able to retain the jobs that Americans need. How can you claim that your are compassionate for our own citizens with a stance like that? Why do you think these lawbreakers should be rewarded with legalization and/or our citizenship? Many if not most have committed felony ID/SS theft among other crimes. How are they deserving in any way while Americans get the shaft?
I cannot wallow in your ignorance. This dance is over.
Ron Paul Supporter

Sparks, NV

#46 Dec 4, 2013
Krispy Kreme is Charlie Crist 2.0.
Ron Paul Supporter

Sparks, NV

#47 Dec 4, 2013
Chris Christie is Charlie Crist 2.0.
Oldglory

Banning, CA

#48 Dec 5, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>I cannot wallow in your ignorance. This dance is over.
No, you just can't handle the truth. No defender of illegal aliens can. It is you who is the ignorant one for putting illegal foreigners above our own citizens.

Since: Jul 11

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#49 Dec 12, 2013
Fed Up in North Carolina wrote:
So Christie is reversing his views on illegal immigration now? Why am I not surprised? He abandons his conservative values and caves in to the Hispanic voting block, who are hijacking our elections these days, opposing any candidate who favors the rule of law.
Go ahead Republicans and believe them when they promise to vote for you. Just remember your history and the fact that even fewer Hispanics voted for Republicans "after" Reagan's massive amnesty.
Republicans keep saying Hispanics share in their party's beliefs. Really? Well, the fact that a larger number of Hispanics, both legal and illegal, use welfare at a higher rate than native born citizens indicates otherwise.
Don't be fooled into thinking Hispanics aren't fond of the free stuff the Democrats are throwing at them. I suspect they won't be voting to have it cut off!
It does seem that Republicans are hell bent and determined to help the Democrats expand their voting block and gain enough power to control the country for decades to come...even possibly forever. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!
RNC accuses MSNBC of picking Christie?..Progressive media can pick their candidates now? lmao!

Since: Jul 11

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#50 Dec 14, 2013
Christie the GOP 2016 Messiah-with a overinflated stomach?
nym8387

Stratford, CT

#51 Dec 14, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>I cannot wallow in your ignorance. This dance is over.
You and anchor baby memo must know each other.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#52 Dec 18, 2013
Oldglory wrote:
<quoted text>l
Nope! The only thing they are doing is making the rich richer by using their cheap, illegal labor. The rest of us are having to foot the bill for their social costs which is billions a year and any tax contributions they may make doesn't cover those costs. If Americans got their jobs back from them they in turn would be contributing to the economy instead of drawing unemployment or welfare.
I repeat, we need to implement e-verify in every workplace including making those already employed pass it. We need to deny illegal aliens any benefits and end birthright citizenship for their kids. Many if not would leave on their own with no incentives to remain here. It would also deter any future illegal immigration.
Since you think illegals should be treated humanely via an amnesty then you have no compassion for our own citizens because even legalized these people would still remain a burden on the taxpayer and they would be able to retain the jobs that Americans need. How can you claim that your are compassionate for our own citizens with a stance like that? Why do you think these lawbreakers should be rewarded with legalization and/or our citizenship? Many if not most have committed felony ID/SS theft among other crimes. How are they deserving in any way while Americans get the shaft?
So you have any factual basis to say the rich are getting richer with cheap labor? Most of them can be found working very low pay jobs so I'm not sure if that is going to impact the rich. It will impact how much you pay to get your house painted, how much you can pay to tile your floor or landscape your yard, how much you can have your house cleaned....and so on. This cheap labor kept costs down which gave consumers better pricing.

Still, this does not excuse them for coming here illegally. They should be deported along with their children. Our borders should be closed until we can take care of our own, first.
Oldglory

Banning, CA

#53 Dec 18, 2013
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>So you have any factual basis to say the rich are getting richer with cheap labor? Most of them can be found working very low pay jobs so I'm not sure if that is going to impact the rich. It will impact how much you pay to get your house painted, how much you can pay to tile your floor or landscape your yard, how much you can have your house cleaned....and so on. This cheap labor kept costs down which gave consumers better pricing.
Still, this does not excuse them for coming here illegally. They should be deported along with their children. Our borders should be closed until we can take care of our own, first.
It is obvious that regardless the size of a business that using cheap, illegal labor increases their profits. Corporations use cleaning people, don't they?

You really need to educate yourself on this subject. The so-called cheap labor costs for the most part aren't passed on to we the consumer in the way of cheaper prices. Their employers merely pocket the profits instead while they pass on the social costs of these illegals to we the taxpayer. So they are no bargain to us regular Americans.

I do agree with your last two sentences, however.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#54 Dec 18, 2013
Oldglory wrote:
<quoted text>
It is obvious that regardless the size of a business that using cheap, illegal labor increases their profits. Corporations use cleaning people, don't they?
You really need to educate yourself on this subject. The so-called cheap labor costs for the most part aren't passed on to we the consumer in the way of cheaper prices. Their employers merely pocket the profits instead while they pass on the social costs of these illegals to we the taxpayer. So they are no bargain to us regular Americans.
I do agree with your last two sentences, however.
You're clueless. It would be problematic for large corporations to hire illegals. It is much easier for small contractors to do so which allows them to be competitive with larger companies. Cheap labor allows them to undercut the larger businesses although that may still not be enough. Even if a large corporation were foolish enough to hire illegals......how many that be? 20 illegal janitors really won't make too much of a difference. Illegals shouldn't be here because taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for this. If folks are coming into this country as law breakers......why on Earth would we want them to stay?
Oldglory

Banning, CA

#55 Dec 18, 2013
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>You're clueless. It would be problematic for large corporations to hire illegals. It is much easier for small contractors to do so which allows them to be competitive with larger companies. Cheap labor allows them to undercut the larger businesses although that may still not be enough. Even if a large corporation were foolish enough to hire illegals......how many that be? 20 illegal janitors really won't make too much of a difference. Illegals shouldn't be here because taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for this. If folks are coming into this country as law breakers......why on Earth would we want them to stay?
I'm clueless? Illegals have been known to be caught working in large, middle and small businesses. However, I do agree that they most likely work in smaller businesses.

I don't know why you are arguing with me. I am an anti-illegal. I am also anti-amnesty for them. The only ones who want them to stay are the employers who hire them and their ethnocentric citizen counterparts.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#56 Dec 19, 2013
Oldglory wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm clueless? Illegals have been known to be caught working in large, middle and small businesses. However, I do agree that they most likely work in smaller businesses.
I don't know why you are arguing with me. I am an anti-illegal. I am also anti-amnesty for them. The only ones who want them to stay are the employers who hire them and their ethnocentric citizen counterparts.
I disagree with your attitude about business. You assume these businesses are knowingly employing illegal aliens and I don't buy it. Large corps are under incredible scrutiny so I doubt many would hire them. Why risk your business to save a couple bucks an hour?

Illegals have a better chance doing work as domestics, landscapers and so on with small businesses or even on their own. It's the indiv. folks who are the primary source for their employement.

The businesses who can benefit the most from illegals would be painting, tile and landscaping companies. Not sure if legit companies would want to risk their rep for that. On the other hand, there are many fly by nights who will provide cheap services and then disappear. Those may be the kinds of businesses you are talking about. I just take issue when you suggest all businesses are getting rich off of illegals and sticking society with the social costs.

I am completely on board with deporting illegals although it looks like both repub and demoncrat alike are going to give a pass to the them. This goes beyond repulsive.
Oldglory

Banning, CA

#57 Dec 19, 2013
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>I disagree with your attitude about business. You assume these businesses are knowingly employing illegal aliens and I don't buy it. Large corps are under incredible scrutiny so I doubt many would hire them. Why risk your business to save a couple bucks an hour?
Illegals have a better chance doing work as domestics, landscapers and so on with small businesses or even on their own. It's the indiv. folks who are the primary source for their employement.
The businesses who can benefit the most from illegals would be painting, tile and landscaping companies. Not sure if legit companies would want to risk their rep for that. On the other hand, there are many fly by nights who will provide cheap services and then disappear. Those may be the kinds of businesses you are talking about. I just take issue when you suggest all businesses are getting rich off of illegals and sticking society with the social costs.
I am completely on board with deporting illegals although it looks like both repub and demoncrat alike are going to give a pass to the them. This goes beyond repulsive.
Some businesses know they are hiring illegal aliens and some don't. I already said that it is more likely that smaller businesses are hiring them rather than large ones. Did you miss that? Many times with larger companies they employ agencies to provide cleaners for them. In that case it is the agency that is responsible for verifying the legitimacy of their workers.

It is still a fact that any business that hires illegal aliens or agencies that employ them are increasing their profits by doing so. So where do we disagree? And yes, their social costs are being passed on to we the American taxpayer.

In the end I don't think the Republicans are going to cave in on any amnesty. There are a few in congress that are hinting at it but the majority won't go for it and yes it is repulsive regardless of party affiliation to pass an amnesty of this magnitude with 23 million Americans out of work.
sheepleloveroyal ty

Bryn Mawr, PA

#58 Dec 19, 2013
Debate's over. The pos faux Republican Christie ie the pandering "PROfessional" politician approved in state tuition.

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/12/...

He did veto the financial aid portion-how nice. There was ZERO need for this. The DemocRATS will appeal this and legislate this in down the road.

If these college student want to bes are so smart how come no LEGAL citizenship or visas yet.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#59 Dec 20, 2013
sheepleloveroyalty wrote:
Debate's over. The pos faux Republican Christie ie the pandering "PROfessional" politician approved in state tuition.
http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/12/...
He did veto the financial aid portion-how nice. There was ZERO need for this. The DemocRATS will appeal this and legislate this in down the road.
If these college student want to bes are so smart how come no LEGAL citizenship or visas yet.
If anyone could find enough feathers for this pig.....I'll provide the tar.
Horace

United States

#60 Dec 20, 2013
Oldglory wrote:
<quoted text>
with 23 million Americans out of work.
Where exactly do you get this 23M that you keeping tossing around? According to the latest data available from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, there were 10.9M unemployed workers in Nov 2013 (7% of a civilian workforce of 155.3M).

10.2M are non-blue collar workers ranging from office workers (secretaries, office mgrs, etc) to professionals (engineers, managers, bankers, real estate types, etc). The majority of these are over 45 and are probably not disposed or suited to working blue collar jobs.

The remainder, roughly 3M (includes first time job entrants and released service members), are workers typically classified as blue collar. Of that, about 0.9M are non-skilled trade type workers, ie, agricultural and labor.

Since most illegal immigrants occupy non to low skilled blue collar jobs, this indicates to me that even if all of them were fired, there would be no more than about 1M American workers that could or would take those jobs.

It is very unlikely non-blue collar would take these types of jobs. Furthermore, it is questionable whether even those 1M non and low skilled American workers would even take the jobs. Based on the publicity put out by Agricultural groups that they can't find steady workers to replace illegal immigrant workers.

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