Obamacare resisters, get with the program

Nov 20, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Times Recorder

Congress would repeal it, or the Supreme Court would declare it unconstitutional, or a Republican president would kill it.

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Your ignorance is showing.
The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA)is a U.S. Act of Congress passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). It requires hospitals to provide care to anyone needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions. Participating hospitals may only transfer or discharge patients needing emergency treatment under their own informed consent, after stabilization, or when their condition requires transfer to a hospital better equipped to administer the treatment.
Any hospital that receives payments from Department of Health and Human Resources, Medicare and Medicaid must provide emergency services. That's the law, nationwide. What's worse, is the hospitals receive no reimbursements for such treatments which accounts for why so many hospitals providing services to illegals have gone bankrupt.
Have you been living under a rock or are you just liberal blinded?
First of all, you'd have to be living where a hospital exists. There are places in Texas where a radio scanner goes round and round indefinitely because there's not so much as a radio station, much less a hospital.

Second of all, you'd have to have transportation.

Third of all, you'd have to be willing to take charity.

Those three conditions eliminate a great many Texans from getting health care. I don't know how things are where you live, since you HIDE WHERE YOU LIVE, but MANY HARD-WORKING TEXANS are way too proud to ask for charity.

Johnny-come-lately Republicans may THINK they know something about personal responsibility, but Texans are known to be stubbornly INDEPENDENT.

Frankly, I can't imagine anyone I know personally who would ever accept charity. They would not ask for health care they can't pay for.

They do without.

Those are just some of the reasons many Texans do not receive health care.

If all it took to solve a problem was passing a law, life sure would be a lot easier than it is.
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Are you referring to the same hospitals that charge us $90 for an aspirin?
Yes. Since care in the emergency room costs at least 10 times (often more) than care in a doctor's office, somebody has to pay.

It's us, either in increases in our medical insurance premiums or as taxpayers.

Preventive care is a cost-SAVING mechanism. Preventive care will REDUCE MEDICAL COSTS.
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Bama Yankee wrote:
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Your ignorance is showing.
The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA)is a U.S. Act of Congress passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). It requires hospitals to provide care to anyone needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions. Participating hospitals may only transfer or discharge patients needing emergency treatment under their own informed consent, after stabilization, or when their condition requires transfer to a hospital better equipped to administer the treatment.
Any hospital that receives payments from Department of Health and Human Resources, Medicare and Medicaid must provide emergency services. That's the law, nationwide. What's worse, is the hospitals receive no reimbursements for such treatments which accounts for why so many hospitals providing services to illegals have gone bankrupt.
Have you been living under a rock or are you just liberal blinded?
People need more than just "emergency" care. Many conditions, if identified and treated in a timely manner, would never become an emergency.

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Obama wo. I say let him go ahead and have things his way and get the fall over with. By Oct 2013 Obama supporters will be as hard to find as rocking horse sh1t. EVERYBODY who voted for him in 2012 will drop him like a bad habit......
That's what some of you said in 2009. But guess what?

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WRONG!! All the welfare slugs, trailer trash, ghetto scum and liberal morons will sing his praises for decades.
Get a grip.
The man is Santa Claus every day of the year to the those people.
Tell us which one of those categories you belong to.

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HeyStupid wrote:
<quoted text>People need more than just "emergency" care. Many conditions, if identified and treated in a timely manner, would never become an emergency.
I'm the last one to argue against that, having had good insurance coverage for 48 years that has allowed me preventative medicine.

However, with between 12 and 20 million illegals using emergency rooms for primary care, to say nothing of legitimate destitute Americans doing so, I'm dumbfounded that so many are ignorant of why their health care is so expensive.

I have no problem with Americans down on their luck getting emergency treatment on the taxpayers dime..... I have paid income taxes for 50 years so I share the burden.

What I do resent is our government telling us we ARE going to pay for the medical treatment for interlopers, invaders, law breakers that are "just looking for a better way of life." They begin that better way of life by breaking our laws.

Even more so, I resent a government that tells up we WILL buy insurance or they are going to fine us. Bet they don't fine those same illegals that will continue to burden hospitals all across the country

Obamacare = the biggest tax ever foisted off on the American public.
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Yes. Since care in the emergency room costs at least 10 times (often more) than care in a doctor's office, somebody has to pay.
It's us, either in increases in our medical insurance premiums or as taxpayers.
Preventive care is a cost-SAVING mechanism. Preventive care will REDUCE MEDICAL COSTS.
The Federal Government is constitutionally limited to what is "Necessary and Proper" for it to perform its enumerated and implied (from the enumerated) powers.

Individual healthcare is not on the list, nor is it "Necessary and Proper" from any of the enumerated nor implied powers of the US government.

When our forefathers wrote the Constitution they did not believe the government knows best.

The truth is, Obamacare will kill healthcare in the US just as similar legislation has killed health care in Britain. Canada is prospering because it has moved away from socialism.

The reality is, that the only reason other nation's healthcare systems didn't go under completely was because the US taxpayers and patients were always paying more money for their meds and healthcare than other nations. Everyone was riding our coattails. Now we are throwing away the coat. Internationally, it will be devastating.
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<quoted text>That's what some of you said in 2009. But guess what?
It won't matter. There are still legal options the Obama Administration and liberals will not be able to beat in court.

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First of all, you'd have to be living where a hospital exists. There are places in Texas where a radio scanner goes round and round indefinitely because there's not so much as a radio station, much less a hospital.
Second of all, you'd have to have transportation.
Third of all, you'd have to be willing to take charity.
Those three conditions eliminate a great many Texans from getting health care. I don't know how things are where you live, since you HIDE WHERE YOU LIVE, but MANY HARD-WORKING TEXANS are way too proud to ask for charity.
Johnny-come-lately Republicans may THINK they know something about personal responsibility, but Texans are known to be stubbornly INDEPENDENT.
Frankly, I can't imagine anyone I know personally who would ever accept charity. They would not ask for health care they can't pay for.
They do without.
Those are just some of the reasons many Texans do not receive health care.
If all it took to solve a problem was passing a law, life sure would be a lot easier than it is.
Fool, it isn't charity. They are paying for it whether they avail themselves of it or not. Well, that is unless they are all working under the table and not paying taxes.

"They would do without." In my growing up years, that was called "cutting your nose off to spite your face."
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On the subject of this topix:

Texas health care

In an ironic twist, states that have done the least to bring low-income residents onto state Medicaid rolls — including Texas — stand to benefit the most from federal health care reform, according to a report released this morning by the Kaiser Commission on Medicaid and the Uninsured.

Texas — partially because it has had low Medicaid eligibility for so long — will get more bang for its buck in the new system than almost any other state.

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-health-reso...
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On the subject of this topix:

Texas has the highest rate of uninsured in the nation, with 25 percent of the population, or 5.5
million people, lacking insurance. An estimated 17 percent of the uninsured are not citizens and
are therefore ineligible for most forms of assistance. About 1.4 million of the uninsured are
children and 3.6 million are adult citizens or legal permanent residents. About 60 percent of
Texas’ uninsured adults have incomes below 200 percent of the Federal Poverty Level, typically
an upper boundary for assistance programs.

Today, care for uninsured Texans too often takes place in hospitals and emergency rooms – the
most expensive points in the health care system. The cost of that care is passed on to local
governments and those with private insurance.

Uninsured in Texas about 5.5 million

Non-citizens ineligible for assistance – about 935,000 (17%)

http://www.hhsc.state.tx.us/reports/UncompCar...
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<quoted text>"often times illegal and predominantly unethical" Double charging is sometimes legal? Sometimes its not unethical? You talk a lot but you're not saying anything, unless your point is that less people insured means less opportunity for cheating. That also presupposes that its only the insurance companies that cheat, never the medical service provider. "the empty can rattles loudest." Lots of noise, little substance in your arguement.
It would be so much more pleasant if you learned sentence structure and the use of commas. Yes, sometimes redundant services are legal and ethical. Yes, medical service providers have been encouraged to cheat by the Democrat set-ups of government subsidies. This is similar to how farmers have been encouraged to cheat by Democrat set-ups of government subsidies. This is also similar to how educational institutions and supposedly relevant researchers have been encouraged to cheat by Democrat set-ups of government subsidies. This is also similar to how lazy-assed drug addicts and intellectual drop-outs have been encouraged to cheat by Democrat set-ups of government programs like SSI. It seems Democrats have encouraged a lot of cheating.

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It won't matter. There are still legal options the Obama Administration and liberals will not be able to beat in court.
Such as, "patriot"?
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...farmers have been encouraged to cheat by Democrat set-ups of government subsidies.
It would be helpful if you read before you write.

"As the OBAMA administration has sought to CUT FARM SUBSIDIES for next year's budget they have encountered strong resistance, especially in farm states. However a new WorldPublicOpinion.org poll finds that the American public, including in farm states, would favor eliminating most farm subsidies.

Eighty percent of US subsidies go to large farming businesses...Opposition to subsidies for large farms was not substantively or statistically different among Republicans (62%), Democrats (60%), and independents (59%).

Seventy-seven percent of Americans do, however, favor providing subsidies to small farms (i.e. farms under 500 acres)... Most small farms do not receive subsidies.

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You are so full of baloney it's a waste of time to read anything you say and I won't do so from here on. You know absolutely nothing about this subject.
The uninsured in Texas are NOT all getting health care. And the uninsured are NOT, AS YOU SAID, MOSTLY ILLEGALS.
Uninsured in Texas about 5.5 million
Non-citizens ineligible for assistance – about 935,000 (17%)
http://www.hhsc.state.tx.us/reports/UncompCar...
As usuual you are spoutig rhetoric. No illegal is ineligable. A was stated by another poster the Hospitals are required by law to provide care, that is of coourse unless they are meneged by obama's wife then they can send away uninsured as she did for a long tie in Chicago.
Living ere on the border and havinga wife that works at the local welfare hospital I can say with certainty that it des not matter if you have insurance or not, you get treated. It doesn't matter if you are a citizen or not, you get treated. In fact te Hospital staff are not even allowed to ask questions about citizenship or immigration status. There are bunches of babies born in that hospital and many others along the border everyday where the mother has entered the country illegaly to give birth so her kid can b a US Citizen and thereby allow for her and her family to come here. Of course once the anchor baby is born it is eligable for 100% of the Government programs.
There are many things that can be done to help control health care costs but obamacare is only going to cost the working public billions and will cure nothing.

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First of all, you'd have to be living where a hospital exists. There are places in Texas where a radio scanner goes round and round indefinitely because there's not so much as a radio station, much less a hospital.
Second of all, you'd have to have transportation.
Third of all, you'd have to be willing to take charity.
Those three conditions eliminate a great many Texans from getting health care. I don't know how things are where you live, since you HIDE WHERE YOU LIVE, but MANY HARD-WORKING TEXANS are way too proud to ask for charity.
Johnny-come-lately Republicans may THINK they know something about personal responsibility, but Texans are known to be stubbornly INDEPENDENT.
Frankly, I can't imagine anyone I know personally who would ever accept charity. They would not ask for health care they can't pay for.
They do without.
Those are just some of the reasons many Texans do not receive health care.
If all it took to solve a problem was passing a law, life sure would be a lot easier than it is.
If all this is true then how can you support obamacare?
By the way last I checked obamacare didn't give anyone a car so the transportation is a load.
Now explain how obamacare is going to help that person that is even out of radio range get help if they can't even call for it.
As to the charity thing sorry but that doesn't work either. Let one of these proud Texans look at his wife or kid dying and watch how fast he swallows his pride and takes all the help he can get.
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It would be helpful if you read before you write.
"As the OBAMA administration has sought to CUT FARM SUBSIDIES for next year's budget they have encountered strong resistance, especially in farm states. However a new WorldPublicOpinion.org poll finds that the American public, including in farm states, would favor eliminating most farm subsidies.
Eighty percent of US subsidies go to large farming businesses...Opposition to subsidies for large farms was not substantively or statistically different among Republicans (62%), Democrats (60%), and independents (59%).
Seventy-seven percent of Americans do, however, favor providing subsidies to small farms (i.e. farms under 500 acres)... Most small farms do not receive subsidies.
Please don't tell me about reading, when you refuse to read my actual words.

It doesn't matter if bipartisan political interests are now "seeking" a change. What matters is that the free money programs were thought up and initiated by Democrats, each Democrat Congress altering those programs to make outright lying and theft to game the system more easy. For instance, small farmers can bill the government for money with "receipts" they themselves generate for such as machinery used in activities never performed and "paid", when the machinery actually belongs to the grantee farmer himself and is being depreciated and written off (if it actually exists.) Those are Democrat inspirations. The same encouragements to thefts are rife throughout Democrat legislation. It's called bought votes and is perpetrated by the Democrat County Agricultural Agents with kickbacks.
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The crazy thing about all this is that the honest farmer cannot survive, unless they have inherited their land, which the Obama Democrats now want to take away from them with new estate taxes, etc. This says Democrats are intent on making, actually creating, liars and thieves, then once they've got you, they've got you... find ways to make it increasingly difficult to be honest by having all your cheating neighbors driving shiny Fascist Democrat vehicles, which they got by... you have it... STEALING, then putting the debt forward on your children. America is being run by thieves so arrogant, they insist to make everyone like them and empower bureaucracies to not deal with such paltry issues as THEFT. This applies to the Democrat health care system, SSI, food stamps and across the board... liars and thieves and demons, oh my.
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On the subject of the topix:

Texas health care

"In an ironic twist, states that have done the least to bring low-income residents onto state Medicaid rolls — including Texas — stand to benefit the most from federal health care reform, according to a report released this morning by the Kaiser Commission on Medicaid and the Uninsured.

"Texas — partially because it has had low Medicaid eligibility for so long — will get more bang for its buck in the new system than almost any other state.

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-health-reso...

Rick Perry is not going to secede from the U.S. He might have to go work.
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3OHA wrote:
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"Yes, sometimes redundant services are legal and ethical."
I am no fan of redundant services, they're not the same as double charging though.

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