The Civil War Is Over: Let The Battle...

The Civil War Is Over: Let The Battle Flag Be

There are 4050 comments on the Free Republic story from Nov 24, 2011, titled The Civil War Is Over: Let The Battle Flag Be. In it, Free Republic reports that:

Over the past several months, the NAACP has launched a campaign against the Confederate Battle Flag by protesting its presence at the South Carolina statehouse.

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“Lets just keep it real”

Since: Mar 11

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#50 Nov 26, 2011
Sinajuavi wrote:
<quoted text>Jewish people have more to worry about than a swastika, but if Nazoids are marching in the streets displaying swastikas, I think Jews have good reason to be upset.

Likewise black Yanks have every reason to object to the symbol of the Southern crackers' fight to keep them ENSLAVED being paraded hither and yon.

Savant is correct in equating the Confederate Rag to Nazi symbols.
Sinajuavi, I applaud your efforts in defending your position. Very impressive my friend. It's a shame in the 21st century we're still having such a discussion. The Conferderacy and it's flag were acts of treason!! But you can't tell a redneck that can you? Wow!!
August

Melbourne, FL

#51 Nov 26, 2011
It is truly astounding to me how many people are so very clueless when it comes to the actual facts regarding the Civil War and how a relic from said war causes so much commotion.
People, please, learn your facts before you get on here and prove how stupid you with your drivel!
And leave the damn flag alone! It is a piece of cloth for God's sake! In your lifetime it has never once harmed you! Stop making a mountain out of a molehill!

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#52 Nov 26, 2011
Reality wrote:
<quoted text>
Whether you agree or disagree with whomever on any random topic, it's their right to freedom of expression and speech to say and display such things on flags. They can do what they want, so long as they keep their hands to themselves and don't harm anyone else's body or their property. That's freedom for you, and if you don't like it, you can move elsewhere if you so love fascism.
To force people not to fly a flag because it offends you is fascist and criminal in and of itself, thus hypocrisy in the highest order, making ones anger about said flag fall on deaf ears.
Have integrity and respect for FREEDOM for even bigots to spout what they want, then people might respect YOU.

The Confederacy was itself a protfascist regime,and with a racist-nationalist ideology whch made it a spiriual predecessor of fascism and Nazism; hence it's flag has nothing to do with freedom.
But let's agree with you for the sake of argument. Would you equally allow the Hammer and Sickle to wave? How about the Nazi flag? How about a flag symbolizing Al Qaeda?
Perhaps, the Communist hammer and sickle would be a better example, on second thought.
Some anti-Communist Klansmen who wave the Confederate flag have sometimes teamed up with American Nazis, and were apparently willing to tolerate the Nazi flag?
But I wonder how many defenders of the Confederate flag would be zealous defenders of the right of their neighbors to display the Hammer and Sickle? How far are YOU willing to go?

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#53 Nov 26, 2011
Dogg4life wrote:
<quoted text>
Sinajuavi, I applaud your efforts in defending your position. Very impressive my friend. It's a shame in the 21st century we're still having such a discussion. The Conferderacy and it's flag were acts of treason!! But you can't tell a redneck that can you? Wow!!
The Confeeeracy was anti-democratic treason, and the flag of the Confederacy is a symbol of that treason.
To defend the "southern way of life"--i.e. the right to hold millions of people in the most degrading bondage and to live comfortable at their expense--some backward men of the plantation oligarchy attempted to DESTROY the American republic, to KILL freedom for All Americans in order to maintain the slavery of the Blacks.
Those same people would be horrified at the idea of having someone fly the Hammer & Sickle, or maybe some flag symbolizing Al Qaeda. But the anti-Americanism and treason of the Confderacy is perfectly ok with them.
lenin

United States

#54 Nov 26, 2011
Dogg4life wrote:
<quoted text>
Sinajuavi, I applaud your efforts in defending your position. Very impressive my friend. It's a shame in the 21st century we're still having such a discussion. The Conferderacy and it's flag were acts of treason!! But you can't tell a redneck that can you? Wow!!
treason? who? how? Was there anything in the constitution about secession in 1861?

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#55 Nov 26, 2011
Who wrote:
<quoted text>
And how do you propose to do that dipshit?
You liberals think you can tell people what to think now too? I have more of a right to not like somebody than you libs do of receiving "free" healthcare.
Piss off.
Your racism should cost you. Perhaps it should cost you your right to vote.
America has WRONGLY denied the ballot to people simply for being too poor, or Black, or female.
Why not deny the ballot to people for being too STUPID and too BIGOTED? Such people contribute less to the well being o the republic than others who have been proscribed. Once racists and morons are elimiated from the ballot box, the more moderate and progressive citizenry may be able to elect more enlightened leaders--STATESMEN rather than hack politicians and loony demagogues. Yes, banning bigots and fools might actually improve the life of the Republic. In the meantime, a vigorous program of cultural and civic education may actually liberate you bigots from the prison of your bigotry, and free fools from their stupidity--at least enough to enable them to be free and responsible citizens. At that point they may be given back the right to vote.
Just a thought. Maybe not practical in the long run. But it might be a possibility worth looking into.
We've got to get you into the 20th Century somehow before the 21st Century has expired.
Say No To Mexico

Branch, LA

#56 Nov 26, 2011
It should be law that all states who participated in the civil war fly the confederate flag, and all whose ancestors were lost in that war do the same at the place of their personal dwellings!

This would remind us of a time when Americans cared abut their country, and would also mark the beginning of the end of America.
gimmeabreak

Albuquerque, NM

#57 Nov 26, 2011
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>
The Confederacy was itself a protfascist regime,and with a racist-nationalist ideology whch made it a spiriual predecessor of fascism and Nazism; hence it's flag has nothing to do with freedom.
But let's agree with you for the sake of argument. Would you equally allow the Hammer and Sickle to wave? How about the Nazi flag? How about a flag symbolizing Al Qaeda?
Perhaps, the Communist hammer and sickle would be a better example, on second thought.
Some anti-Communist Klansmen who wave the Confederate flag have sometimes teamed up with American Nazis, and were apparently willing to tolerate the Nazi flag?
But I wonder how many defenders of the Confederate flag would be zealous defenders of the right of their neighbors to display the Hammer and Sickle? How far are YOU willing to go?
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I NM we live with the mexican flag shoved in our faces all the time. Other posters are correct, it's a piece of cloth identifying the owner-carriers preference. Hardly illegal to have a point of view in this country - yet -
Windemere

United States

#58 Nov 26, 2011
Sinajuavi wrote:
Lying Confederats and an anti-Mexican racist, how nice. That is the sort of filth who defends the Battle Rag, lol...
Yes, the war was over slavery, numbnuts. SC seceded upon the election of Lincoln because he was an abolitionist. The Southern aristocracy couldn't stand to give up its comfy feudal system, et voilą, a bloody war tormenting the country for years, followed by 100 years of Jim Crow imposed by the same Satanic Southerners, and a continuation of retrograde politics which continue to drag the country down and prevent progress.
Flying that Confederat Rag represents treason. The Mexican flag represents culture... Mexico has more culture in one pueblo than in a whole state full of TV-inculcated gringos.
Now go back to watching reality TV and Fox News and put your brains back to sleep, fools.
What comic book did you get your facts from??
Windemere

United States

#59 Nov 26, 2011
Sinajuavi wrote:
<quoted text>
Lincoln was an abolitionist. He may have been a racist, but that is irrelevant to the point here. He was an ABOLITIONIST and that is why SC seceded, and the rest of the Dixie traitors followed.
Stop trying to whitewash (no pun intended) this vile history with the usual lame excuses that the War was over "states rights", tariffs, etc.
If tat is the case then why did Lincoln only free the slaves in states that were still in rebellion while northern and supporting states were allowed to keep their slaves, try reading the Emancipation Proclamation.

Sinajuavi

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#60 Nov 26, 2011
Say No To Mexico wrote:
It should be law that all states who participated in the civil war fly the confederate flag, and all whose ancestors were lost in that war do the same at the place of their personal dwellings!
This would remind us of a time when Americans cared abut their country, and would also mark the beginning of the end of America.
Cared about their country? By committing reason against it? By subjecting the nation to a bloody ordeal to defend a system which made the USA an object of shame to the world?

Your racism is rapidly rotting your brain cells.

Sinajuavi

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#61 Nov 26, 2011
Windemere wrote:
<quoted text>
If tat is the case then why did Lincoln only free the slaves in states that were still in rebellion while northern and supporting states were allowed to keep their slaves, try reading the Emancipation Proclamation.
Lincoln made decisions based on political expediency during the war. Were not all slaves freed once the traitors had been defeated?

The whole world knows that war was over slavery. By denying this, you Confederats only demonstrate that beneath your denial, you know damned well what a shameful and despicable epidosde the CSA was.

Sinajuavi

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#62 Nov 26, 2011
gimmeabreak wrote:
<quoted text>
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I NM we live with the mexican flag shoved in our faces all the time. Other posters are correct, it's a piece of cloth identifying the owner-carriers preference. Hardly illegal to have a point of view in this country - yet -
Is it really "shoved in your face", pendejo? Your racism is showing, boy. You are bothered by Mexican culture obviously. Yet you live in New Mexico! LOL!!! What did you expect here, the Nepalese flag?

Typical drooling bigot dragging society down with ignorance.
Windemere

United States

#63 Nov 26, 2011
Sinajuavi wrote:
<quoted text>
Lincoln made decisions based on political expediency during the war. Were not all slaves freed once the traitors had been defeated?
The whole world knows that war was over slavery. By denying this, you Confederats only demonstrate that beneath your denial, you know damned well what a shameful and despicable epidosde the CSA was.
Your are correct in your first statement, Lincoln did make decisions based on political expediency. He used slavery to provide a tangable reference for the northerners to for instewad of simply taxes, which at the time would not have been enough to generate a civil war type response. Utmost in Lincoln's mind was the preservation of the Union, any requirement to preserve that Union was on the table for Lincoln.

In your second statement you may be partially correct, yes they were eventually all freed but were only considered 3/5 of a man. There is little other than retoric to support the idea that the Civil war was over slavery, that is like saying the Iraq war was over WMDs when there clearly was another agenda, the difference being that the public and Congress would not support a war for regime change that did not have a clear and present danger to this country so they were given a clear and present danger in the form of WMDs, simply a rallying cry much like slavery was used in the Civil War. Slavery was real much like the WMD's were preceived as real, the fact that we found out different about the WMDs is immaterial to the initial decision to fight other than hindsight even congress support the idea of WMDs in Iraq

Sinajuavi

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#64 Nov 26, 2011
Windemere wrote:
<quoted text>
Your are correct in your first statement, Lincoln did make decisions based on political expediency. He used slavery to provide a tangable reference for the northerners to for instewad of simply taxes, which at the time would not have been enough to generate a civil war type response. Utmost in Lincoln's mind was the preservation of the Union, any requirement to preserve that Union was on the table for Lincoln.
In your second statement you may be partially correct, yes they were eventually all freed but were only considered 3/5 of a man. There is little other than retoric to support the idea that the Civil war was over slavery, that is like saying the Iraq war was over WMDs when there clearly was another agenda, the difference being that the public and Congress would not support a war for regime change that did not have a clear and present danger to this country so they were given a clear and present danger in the form of WMDs, simply a rallying cry much like slavery was used in the Civil War. Slavery was real much like the WMD's were preceived as real, the fact that we found out different about the WMDs is immaterial to the initial decision to fight other than hindsight even congress support the idea of WMDs in Iraq
Right, and taxes were not enough to generate a civil war in the first place! SLAVERY was! That is why SC seceded... Lincoln was a known abolitionist. You demonic Confederats point to Lincoln's political maneuvering, but ignore all the things he'd said BEFORE being elected President... he was an ABOLITIONIST, and the southern traitors knew it. Hence the war, duh.

That 3/5 a person business was much earlier, had to do with taxation based on population. It refers to slaves. A red herring.

Your analogy with the Iraq war doesn't hold up. WMD's were an excuse used by those who invaded, those who initiated the war. SLAVERY, more specifically, abolition, was the cause for the SOUTH, which is who started the Civil War. The North did not attack the South, SC attacked Ft. Sumter, remember? So to claim the war was perpetrated using slavery as an excuse is mindless. The North didn't start the war!

Yes, the CSA was a pack of traitors, those who fly that Rag or support the Confederat cause today are traitors, slavery was vile, those supporting the struggle to maintain it are subhuman scum, there is no argument which can be made against this.

Since: Jul 10

Calexico, CA

#65 Nov 26, 2011
The NAACP is a Political Group now they can just shut the fudge up for all I care. They use to be a well respected organization but like most they have gone into politics. As for the Flag it is part of this Nations History and should stay.

Since: May 08

United States

#66 Nov 26, 2011
I for one look at those who wave the Confederate fflag the same way I do those who romanticize the Samuria like in the movie the Last Samuria( Cared to check up on how the Japanese lower classes where treated), Or those Scots who also have a thing for Bonnie Prince Charles and the Jacobite rebellion( Fighting for the divine right of the King).
All three ignore the reality of the people they hold in esteem.
But I will admit those who fly and hold the Confederate are not as damaging to society as those who buy Gangsta rap albums and idolize criminal behavior as the Confederates quit killing people a long time ago while Gang banger kill people every day.
DOC

Brentwood, TN

#67 Nov 26, 2011
slehcar33 wrote:
Wait a second dummy, maybe you need to educate yourself on why the war was fought in the first place... it had nothing to do with slavery. True fact. And I know a lot more facts about it that I could shove up your ass, so learn the facts about a subject before you throw your two cents worth in.
I will personally avoid name calling of any kind: Read the articles of cecession. Sure it was about states rights: The right to have slaves, the right to take your slave with you when you travel north, the right to have your escaped slave sent back from the north. I'm sure southern states felt their rights were seriously stomped on by the north but that didn't make them right either. Sure, economics were involved too the "cash value" of slaves was quite a bit of the south's net worth. And I seriously doubt the textile industry of the north really wanted the price of cotton to go up so I can see why there were sympathisers on both sides
My great-great-great grandfather, Eli Maxwell Burton from Lawrence County Indiana was a POW and in a letter he wrote back "This is a war that had to be fought because I would rather live in a country under a king than in a country that supports slavery."
The confederate flag is to many people a marker of racism, to others a sign of freedom but it is history now and its place is in museums history should never be destroyed.

Sinajuavi

Since: Nov 11

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#69 Nov 26, 2011
wildcatdad wrote:
The NAACP is a Political Group now they can just shut the fudge up for all I care. They use to be a well respected organization but like most they have gone into politics. As for the Flag it is part of this Nations History and should stay.
Democracy depends on politics. I heard Spanish fascists expresing your view, that politics was unnecessary, because the country should be run by a strong caudillo (dictator).

Jeffrey Dahmer is part of USA history; let's put him on the 5-dollar bill.

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#70 Nov 26, 2011
So, 70-75% of Southern people didn't have slaves and they fought a war for the 25-30% who did? The plantation owners in the South could have had low wage immigrant workers like the north was doing (including child labor) that was little more than slavery- and still have been wealthy. The poorer Southerners must have known that cotton "farms" in smaller sectons run by families on a smaller scale, but involving more people and no slaves could be equally successful to the Southern economy over all. The end of slavery would not have devastated the South or the way of life for the common Southerner- it was only important to the mega rich 25 percent. To my knowledge the feds never offered to compensate the South for slaves monetarily or any such common sense measure. The slaves were brought over under the US flag.

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