Culture wars: Why gay marriage and abortion have been 'decoupled'

Jun 29, 2013 Full story: Christian Science Monitor 384

Governor Rick Perry addresses a large audience in attendance at the National Right To Life Convention, Thursday in Grapevine, Texas.

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“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#84 Jul 2, 2013
RalphB wrote:
Getting back to the topix, which is SUPPOSED to be Marriage Equality and abortion......
I gather that most of the folks on here are men (I am assuming a bit here). I always wonder why it is that men are constantly making all these decisions for women. I believe that since the woman is the one who will be the most involved in the situation, that it should be her choice. I also believe that every time they make a law regulating a woman's health, the law should contain an equally restrictive section concerning men. For instance if they restrict a woman's free choice in any way, say a required sonogram, then men should be required to pay for their own Viagra, instead of their insurance, or other drug to enhance their ability to get an erection. I'm sure there are many other equally delightful little ways to impinge on a man's personal sexual life. Let's use them, and see how much further this heavy-handed, sexist stuff can go. Personally, I am willing to leave it to the women to decide.
Here's one idea, whose time, in my opinion, has most definitely come:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php...

“Equality First”

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#85 Jul 2, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>Here's one idea, whose time, in my opinion, has most definitely come:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php...
LMAO. Great idea. I knew they were out there.

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#86 Jul 5, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>I refuse to condone the terrorist actions of our government, against citizens of other countries, or against Americans. I refuse to believe that it is our right as Americans to overthrow governments with which we disagree. I refuse to just sit back and watch, as the American President declares war on countries with natural resources we want, rather than using the free market to obtain them. I refuse to accept the official story of the terrorist attack on this country in 2001, as I firmly believe that our government was complicit in those attacks, in an effort to strip our Constitution of any real power. Which it did.
And as for chest-thumping pseudo-patriots like yourself, who not only condone but APPROVE of all those things, in my opinion we'll be much better off after your McDonald's and Chick-Fil-A intensive diets result in massive coronaries.
Pffft.
9/11 truther!! This conversation is over you f*cking nut!! Go back on your meds!!

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#87 Jul 5, 2013
Lamer wrote:
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"Taking a life ISN'T that simple and should never be or we cheapen the value of it."
Its funny how when abortion is the topic; life couldnt me more precious. Bring in muslum boogeymen and those same people cant condemn them to death fast enough.
We saw on 9/11 how far they will go to kill us!! THEY FORCED THIS ONTO US, WE DIDN'T START THIS WAR!! THEY DID!!

“Blessed Be”

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#88 Jul 5, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
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We saw on 9/11 how far they will go to kill us!! THEY FORCED THIS ONTO US, WE DIDN'T START THIS WAR!! THEY DID!!
In other words, your respect for "life" is conditional. We got it, Hypocrite. You can get off your high horse now.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#89 Jul 5, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
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9/11 truther!! This conversation is over you f*cking nut!! Go back on your meds!!
I'm a truther, you're a birther - we're either both nuts, or neither is.

I don't take 'meds'- I use homeopathic remedies, most of which I grow myself.

Perhaps your 'meds' are your main problem...

Have a nice night.

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#90 Jul 5, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>I'm a truther, you're a birther - we're either both nuts, or neither is.
I don't take 'meds'- I use homeopathic remedies, most of which I grow myself.
Perhaps your 'meds' are your main problem...
Have a nice night.
I never said a word about where he was born!! You are a truther nut and GO BACK ON YOUR MEDS!!! NUT!!

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#91 Jul 5, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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In other words, your respect for "life" is conditional. We got it, Hypocrite. You can get off your high horse now.
Killing a baby by an abortion and killing people that have flown planes into buildings are ENTIRELY TWO DIFFERENT SUBJECTS!! Stop making excuses for terrorist and their activities!! It makes your argument really weak!

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#92 Jul 6, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
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Killing a baby by an abortion and killing people that have flown planes into buildings are ENTIRELY TWO DIFFERENT SUBJECTS!! Stop making excuses for terrorist and their activities!! It makes your argument really weak!
"Baby" is a term of endearment, slang for infant. Infants are born. They are not killed "by abortion".

And I hate to tell you, but the people who flew those planes into the WTC died RIGHT THEN.

I'm making no excuses, so you can stop lying right now. THAT makes YOUR argument weak.

I'm pointing out YOUR hypocrisy is whining that "life" should be sacred when it obviously that YOU don't even believe that all the time.

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#93 Jul 6, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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"Baby" is a term of endearment, slang for infant. Infants are born. They are not killed "by abortion".
And I hate to tell you, but the people who flew those planes into the WTC died RIGHT THEN.
I'm making no excuses, so you can stop lying right now. THAT makes YOUR argument weak.
I'm pointing out YOUR hypocrisy is whining that "life" should be sacred when it obviously that YOU don't even believe that all the time.
I figured you would say something that dumb! Tell me that infant. embryo. fetus. whatever. ISN'T alive? And YES you are making excuses for terrorist that KILL YOUR CITIZENS!! Tell me what that baby did wrong, other then be inside a woman that don't want it? The guys that RECRUITED the people that flew those planes into buildings, they knew EXACTLY what they were doing was wrong, that baby didn't!

“Truly Pro-Life”

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#94 Jul 6, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
<quoted text>
I figured you would say something that dumb! Tell me that infant. embryo. fetus. whatever. ISN'T alive? And YES you are making excuses for terrorist that KILL YOUR CITIZENS!! Tell me what that baby did wrong, other then be inside a woman that don't want it? The guys that RECRUITED the people that flew those planes into buildings, they knew EXACTLY what they were doing was wrong, that baby didn't!
I'm sure the Native Americans, who were just living as they always had, felt the same way during the Trail of Tears.

Aren't you sure of it?

Being all 'sensitive to Native populations' and shit?

Ahem.

“Truly Pro-Life”

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Proudly Pro-choice

#95 Jul 6, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
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Killing a baby by an abortion and killing people that have flown planes into buildings are ENTIRELY TWO DIFFERENT SUBJECTS!! Stop making excuses for terrorist and their activities!! It makes your argument really weak!
Stop acting as if women aren't people.
It makes your argument immaterial, irrelevant, and obsolete.

Women are people, whether or not we conceive...

Deal with it.

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#96 Jul 6, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>I'm sure the Native Americans, who were just living as they always had, felt the same way during the Trail of Tears.
Aren't you sure of it?
Being all 'sensitive to Native populations' and shit?
Ahem.
Trail of Tears, ANOTHER product of a Democrat president!!

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#97 Jul 6, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>Stop acting as if women aren't people.
It makes your argument immaterial, irrelevant, and obsolete.
Women are people, whether or not we conceive...
Deal with it.
I never said women were not people! It takes MEN and WOMEN F*CKING TO CREATE A BABY!! Abortions should NEVER be easy at times necessary but NEVER easy!

“Truly Pro-Life”

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#98 Jul 6, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
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Trail of Tears, ANOTHER product of a Democrat president!!
Fine....Jackson was a democrat.

You disagree with his dictum that the only good injun is a dead one?

It would seem so, since you advocate annihilation of 'undesirables' of the Muslim persuasion..........

:)

“Truly Pro-Life”

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Proudly Pro-choice

#99 Jul 6, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
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I never said women were not people! It takes MEN and WOMEN F*CKING TO CREATE A BABY!! Abortions should NEVER be easy at times necessary but NEVER easy!
Why not?

You've EASILY dismissed gestation and labor as 'easy'.

You should really try it sometime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_pregnancy

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#100 Jul 6, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>Why not?
You've EASILY dismissed gestation and labor as 'easy'.
You should really try it sometime.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_pregnancy
I will tell you the same thing I tell my wife,
DON'T BLAME ME,BLAME EVE!

You should try to provide for the family you make and not get killed in the process! "The hazards of my chosen profession"

It takes two! Labor & life ALL isn't easy! It makes us the people we are. Either take responsibility for your actions and do the best you can or cry and blame others for the mistakes YOU made! Two types of people in this world, ones that cause the problems and the one that solve the problems, which one are you?

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#101 Jul 6, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>Fine....Jackson was a democrat.
You disagree with his dictum that the only good injun is a dead one?
It would seem so, since you advocate annihilation of 'undesirables' of the Muslim persuasion..........
:)
Now you are putting words in my mouth. Don't assume, it makes an a*s out of both of us!

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#102 Jul 6, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
<quoted text>
I figured you would say something that dumb! Tell me that infant. embryo. fetus. whatever. ISN'T alive? And YES you are making excuses for terrorist that KILL YOUR CITIZENS!! Tell me what that baby did wrong, other then be inside a woman that don't want it? The guys that RECRUITED the people that flew those planes into buildings, they knew EXACTLY what they were doing was wrong, that baby didn't!
Regardless, either all "life" is sacred, or it's not. Your belief in the sacredness of life is conditional. And yet, you are complaining that others' is the same. That makes you a hypocrite. So you can just get off your high horse.

And no, I'm making no excuses for terrorism by pointing out your hypocrisy.

By the way, the only dumb thing said came from you. I in no way implied that the embryo/fetus is not alive.

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#103 Jul 6, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>Fine....Jackson was a democrat.
You disagree with his dictum that the only good injun is a dead one?
It would seem so, since you advocate annihilation of 'undesirables' of the Muslim persuasion..........
:)
More proof that our system of public education is irrevocably broken. Most people are unaware that at that time, the Democrat party was conservative, and the Republican party was liberal.

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