Culture wars: Why gay marriage and abortion have been 'decoupled'

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Governor Rick Perry addresses a large audience in attendance at the National Right To Life Convention, Thursday in Grapevine, Texas.

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“Truly Pro-Life”

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#354 Jul 18, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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Men DON'T have a say so, Moron. None. Nada. Zip. Absolutely 100% NO say whatsoever. Deal with it.
Not once she's pregnant they don't...they should make sure of her intention before they insert that erection...but for some, that's too INCONVENIENT.

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#355 Jul 18, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>Not once she's pregnant they don't...they should make sure of her intention before they insert that erection...but for some, that's too INCONVENIENT.
He was talking about when she's pregnant, so I responded accordingly :)

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#356 Jul 18, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
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Oh PLEASE. You can whine all you want, I couldn't care less. It is still the WOMAN's decision whether or not to continue a pregnancy, not yours. YOU don't get to decide that for her.
Motherhood: OPTIONAL, not required.
LEARN TO REPRODUCE ON YOUR OWN AND WE WILL!

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#357 Jul 18, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
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Don't hurt yourself running out for ice cream for the lazy do nothing broad you knocked up. Hope you can cope with the stress ya wuss.
LEARN TO REPRODUCE ON YOUR OWN AND MEN WILL LEAVE THE SUBJECT ALONE!

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#358 Jul 18, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
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LEARN TO REPRODUCE ON YOUR OWN AND WE WILL!
Descending into outright trolling?
Do you realize your reply in no way addresses threir post?

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#359 Jul 18, 2013
lides wrote:
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Descending into outright trolling?
Do you realize your reply in no way addresses threir post?
Some not all, women want men to stay out of the issue. Learn to reproduce without a man, then we will otherwise deal with it and let's come to common ground!

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#360 Jul 18, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
Some not all, women want men to stay out of the issue. Learn to reproduce without a man, then we will otherwise deal with it and let's come to common ground!
You do realize that statement has nothing to do with the argument that was put before you. Ocean56 Wrote "t is still the WOMAN's decision whether or not to continue a pregnancy, not yours. YOU don't get to decide that for her.
Motherhood: OPTIONAL, not required."

What makes you think your response is relevant. The post was not about homosexuality, but rather a woman's right to choose.

You make yourself look both foolish and petty when you post such responses.

Do try to keep up. Or don't, you only make yourself look bad.
Ocean56

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#361 Jul 19, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
Some not all, women want men to stay out of the issue. Learn to reproduce without a man, then we will otherwise deal with it and let's come to common ground!
You still don't GET it, do you? I already said you can express any ridiculous OPINIONS all you want. Those opinions don't change one basic fact.

Whether or not to continue a pregnancy is still THE WOMAN's decision. Which means either way, it's not your choice to make FOR her. Get it now, sparky?

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#362 Jul 19, 2013
lides wrote:
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You do realize that statement has nothing to do with the argument that was put before you. Ocean56 Wrote "t is still the WOMAN's decision whether or not to continue a pregnancy, not yours. YOU don't get to decide that for her.
Motherhood: OPTIONAL, not required."
What makes you think your response is relevant. The post was not about homosexuality, but rather a woman's right to choose.
You make yourself look both foolish and petty when you post such responses.
Do try to keep up. Or don't, you only make yourself look bad.
You and Ocean56 don't get it. IT TAKES 2 TO MAKE BABY! I was called a hypocrite when I stated my opinions on abortion. Saying we do need to look at circumstances on how a woman got pregnant(rape/incest or the oops moment)), the life/health of the mother and when is the deadline to perform an abortion(about 20 weeks), limited, regulated and rare was what I said all along. BUT I WAS STILL TOLD TO STAY OUT OF IT,IT IS NONE OF MY BUSINESS! WHEN YOU LEARN TO REPRODUCE ON YOUR OWN, THEN I WILL STAY OUT OF IT! NO ONE wants abortion used as a primary means of contraceptive, NO ONE wants late term abortions WITHOUT A D*MN GOOD REASON, AND NO ONE WANTS A DOCTOR WITH LITTLE FEET IN A JAR LIKE GOSNELL'S HOUSE OF HORROR!

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#363 Jul 19, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
You and Ocean56 don't get it. IT TAKES 2 TO MAKE BABY!
And it takes one to decide to end a pregnancy. Period, end of story.
Retired SOF wrote:
I was called a hypocrite when I stated my opinions on abortion.
And now, you will be called an idiot, because it's true.
Retired SOF wrote:
Saying we do need to look at circumstances on how a woman got pregnant(rape/incest or the oops moment)), the life/health of the mother and when is the deadline to perform an abortion(about 20 weeks), limited, regulated and rare was what I said all along.
The circumstances are irrelevant to action after the fact. Should a woman decide to end a pregnancy, she may do so, whether by surgical abortion, or Plan B, after the fact.
Retired SOF wrote:
BUT I WAS STILL TOLD TO STAY OUT OF IT,IT IS NONE OF MY BUSINESS! WHEN YOU LEARN TO REPRODUCE ON YOUR OWN, THEN I WILL STAY OUT OF IT!
If you aren't the one who is with child, it is none of your business.

Should I have a say in whether you may speak freely, have a hand in what religion you may worship, or whether you may own a gun? Of course not.Only a moron would say otherwise.
Retired SOF wrote:
NO ONE wants abortion used as a primary means of contraceptive, NO ONE wants late term abortions WITHOUT A D*MN GOOD REASON, AND NO ONE WANTS A DOCTOR WITH LITTLE FEET IN A JAR LIKE GOSNELL'S HOUSE OF HORROR!
No one has made arguments for either of those things. What is at question is abortion in general, which a majority of people support.

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#364 Jul 19, 2013
lides wrote:
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And it takes one to decide to end a pregnancy. Period, end of story.
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And now, you will be called an idiot, because it's true.
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The circumstances are irrelevant to action after the fact. Should a woman decide to end a pregnancy, she may do so, whether by surgical abortion, or Plan B, after the fact.
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If you aren't the one who is with child, it is none of your business.
Should I have a say in whether you may speak freely, have a hand in what religion you may worship, or whether you may own a gun? Of course not.Only a moron would say otherwise.
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No one has made arguments for either of those things. What is at question is abortion in general, which a majority of people support.
NO you can't say abortion in general, I tried and was told to shut up!

NO age limit for girls that want to buy Plan B. MY 9 YEAR OLD ASKED IF SHE WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BUY SOME!

States that do not require parents to be notified. NO, AN OPERATION THAT COULD KILL THEM AND I AM NOT AWARE OF IT, ARE YOU INSANE? My kids can't go to the dentist without my permission.

Late term abortions just because they don't want the baby now! NO who wants a Dr Gosnell type freak preforming abortions?

If it was abortion "in general" ok I can see that, but give the left an inch and they will take a mile. See how far this has got out of hand ! You are proving my point for me!

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#365 Jul 19, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
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NO you can't say abortion in general, I tried and was told to shut up!
NO age limit for girls that want to buy Plan B. MY 9 YEAR OLD ASKED IF SHE WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BUY SOME!
States that do not require parents to be notified. NO, AN OPERATION THAT COULD KILL THEM AND I AM NOT AWARE OF IT, ARE YOU INSANE? My kids can't go to the dentist without my permission.
Late term abortions just because they don't want the baby now! NO who wants a Dr Gosnell type freak preforming abortions?
If it was abortion "in general" ok I can see that, but give the left an inch and they will take a mile. See how far this has got out of hand ! You are proving my point for me!
Translation, you are a whining twit, who is incensed, that a woman might be able to make hr own decisions. Message received.
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#366 Jul 19, 2013
lides wrote:
<quoted text>Translation, you are a whining twit, who is incensed, that a woman might be able to make hr own decisions. Message received.
Hey Fagg@t, fk you you piece of Queer Sh!t. Just saying.
The AssTroll Stopper

Brooklyn, NY

#367 Jul 19, 2013
lides wrote:
<quoted text>Translation, you are a whining twit, who is incensed, that a woman might be able to make hr own decisions. Message received.
Do you realize, you ho:mos and cockroaches have a lot in common. You're both nasty filthy creatures, you're a nuisance, you both carry diseases, you flock together, and you're an infestation, once you pest get a little hold in an area, you take over. Pretty good comparison huh?
The AssTroll Stopper

Brooklyn, NY

#368 Jul 19, 2013
lides wrote:
<quoted text>Translation, you are a whining twit, who is incensed, that a woman might be able to make hr own decisions. Message received.
Hey lides, how many little boys have you molested this year?

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#369 Jul 19, 2013
lides wrote:
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Translation, you are a whining twit, who is incensed, that a woman might be able to make hr own decisions. Message received.
Women want men talk to them about feelings, job, future, whatever BUT when it comes to abortions/babies THEN you tell us to shut up! Sorry sister until the day women can reproduce on there own, men will not shut up!

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#370 Jul 19, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
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Women want men talk to them about feelings, job, future, whatever BUT when it comes to abortions/babies THEN you tell us to shut up! Sorry sister until the day women can reproduce on there own, men will not shut up!
Does 'SOF' stand for 'syphilitic old fart'?

That would go a long way toward explaining the dementia.
Ocean56

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#371 Jul 20, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
You and Ocean56 don't get it. IT TAKES 2 TO MAKE BABY!
WRONG, moron, I get it just fine. It's YOU and other anti-choice imbeciles who don't get it. By "it" I mean that even though it does take two people to create a pregnancy, it is still the WOMAN'S decision whether or not to continue it.

What you're pissed about is that I (and other prochoicers) continue to disagree with your idiotic implication that since you are the sperm donor, you somehow get to make the choice FOR the woman. Too bad. Yes, the guy contributes the sperm, and NO, he doesn't get to make the choice between gestation and abortion. Again, it's the WOMAN'S decision, not yours.

Motherhood: OPTIONAL, not required.

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Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#372 Jul 20, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
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Late term abortions just because they don't want the baby now! NO who wants a Dr Gosnell type freak preforming abortions?
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Late term abortions are against the LAW! With the exception of the mothers life, health and fetal deformity. SO WHO exactly is arguing in favor of late term abortions just because?????? You right wingers are fricking nuts and create drama that does not exist.

I suggest you read RvW and take a chill pill.

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#373 Jul 20, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
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Women want men talk to them about feelings, job, future, whatever BUT when it comes to abortions/babies THEN you tell us to shut up! Sorry sister until the day women can reproduce on there own, men will not shut up!
You do seem like quite the blabber mouth.
I imagine any woman near you is well supplied with earplugs.

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