Culture wars: Why gay marriage and abortion have been 'decoupled'

There are 384 comments on the Christian Science Monitor story from Jun 29, 2013, titled Culture wars: Why gay marriage and abortion have been 'decoupled'. In it, Christian Science Monitor reports that:

Governor Rick Perry addresses a large audience in attendance at the National Right To Life Convention, Thursday in Grapevine, Texas.

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“Je suis Charlie”

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#227 Jul 13, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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I didn't have any. My point didn't require looking at your past posts, just the one I responded to. It was a test, and you failed it.
Liberals believe history started the day they started to give a sh*t. Check your history ALL OF IT before you say something stupid as you did! I am done with you now!

“Je suis Charlie”

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#228 Jul 13, 2013
lides wrote:
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Yes, we can. Until the age of viability, it is nothing more than an extension of the mother.
if it is not capable of carrying on the joy of living on its own, then it is rightly, and legally not considered to be living.
We are going to have to agree to disagree about your commit. It IS alive and an abortion KILLS that life.

“ABORTION KILLS A HUMAN BEING”

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#229 Jul 13, 2013
TrueAtheist wrote:
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I know this is a little off topic, but if the fetus dies past 14 weeks and dies, surgery is generally required in order to remove the fetus otherwise a woman can develop an infection. If it dies after 30 weeks, labor generally needs to be induced in order to remove it.
Yes, I thought I had said that a doctor might have to do it if the woman didn't miscarry naturally. If the child dies, I agree, it must then be the mothers safety first and foremost.

Since: May 12

Canoga Park, CA

#230 Jul 13, 2013
kaylayossi wrote:
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Yes, I thought I had said that a doctor might have to do it if the woman didn't miscarry naturally. If the child dies, I agree, it must then be the mothers safety first and foremost.
Not with laws like this it's not.

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#231 Jul 13, 2013
kaylayossi wrote:
It most certainly alive. Is a dead human growing? Think about it. If it were dead, the woman would miscarry. Either naturally, or by a doctor for her own health.
No, it is not capable of sustaining life absent the host. Ergo, it is not, itself, alive until the age of viability.

“ABORTION KILLS A HUMAN BEING”

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#232 Jul 13, 2013
lides wrote:
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No, it is not capable of sustaining life absent the host. Ergo, it is not, itself, alive until the age of viability.
So, a woman is carrying something that's dead? I am saying the person growing inside the woman is alive, it cannot possibly be dead and still grow. I'm not talking about it living outside the womb.

“ABORTION KILLS A HUMAN BEING”

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#233 Jul 13, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
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We are going to have to agree to disagree about your commit. It IS alive and an abortion KILLS that life.
They just don't get it.

“No Headline available”

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Defiance, Ohio

#234 Jul 13, 2013
kaylayossi wrote:
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So, a woman is carrying something that's dead? I am saying the person growing inside the woman is alive, it cannot possibly be dead and still grow. I'm not talking about it living outside the womb.
Nope, the woman is carrying a fetus that is not a person, and without legal rights. Do try to keep up.

“No Headline available”

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#235 Jul 13, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
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We are going to have to agree to disagree about your commit. It IS alive and an abortion KILLS that life.
Or, we could agree that you are wrong. At very least legally. However, one wonders what your justification to make others abide by your moral standards might be.

“Blessed Be”

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#236 Jul 13, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
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Liberals believe history started the day they started to give a sh*t. Check your history ALL OF IT before you say something stupid as you did! I am done with you now!
One, I'm not a liberal.

Two, I didn't say anything stupid. I responded to one post to make a point. I made it. You failed to comprehend it. Not my problem.

“ABORTION KILLS A HUMAN BEING”

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#237 Jul 13, 2013
lides wrote:
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Nope, the woman is carrying a fetus that is not a person, and without legal rights. Do try to keep up.
Actually, it's you who needs to keep up. You stated that the fetus isn't ALIVE, now you know you're wrong, and saying its not a person. You realized you were wrong and are changing your story. Go back and read what you wrote. Maybe then you'll be able to keep up.

“No Headline available”

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Defiance, Ohio

#238 Jul 13, 2013
kaylayossi wrote:
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Actually, it's you who needs to keep up. You stated that the fetus isn't ALIVE, now you know you're wrong, and saying its not a person. You realized you were wrong and are changing your story. Go back and read what you wrote. Maybe then you'll be able to keep up.
It can't sustain life on it's own (ergo, isn't alive), isn't a person, and doesn't have rights. Grow up, learn the law, and stop trying to force your moral views on others.

You are absolutely and legally wrong.

“ABORTION KILLS A HUMAN BEING”

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#239 Jul 13, 2013
lides wrote:
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It can't sustain life on it's own (ergo, isn't alive), isn't a person, and doesn't have rights. Grow up, learn the law, and stop trying to force your moral views on others.
You are absolutely and legally wrong.
Ok, once more s l o w l y...oh stated that the fetus was not alive. It is alive, if it were dead, the mother would either miscarry, or have to be induced to deliver. If it is alive, it is growing, dead things cannot grow. Try to stay on topic. Do you understand yet? We are not talking about personhood, or anything else. If you actually believe a fetus that is growing inside a woman is dead, then no one can help you.
Lides

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#240 Jul 13, 2013
kaylayossi wrote:
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Ok, once more s l o w l y...oh stated that the fetus was not alive. It is alive, if it were dead, the mother would either miscarry, or have to be induced to deliver. If it is alive, it is growing, dead things cannot grow. Try to stay on topic. Do you understand yet? We are not talking about personhood, or anything else. If you actually believe a fetus that is growing inside a woman is dead, then no one can help you.
If your arguing a technicality, you argument is anything but strong.

The reality remains that a fetus is neither legally a person, nor does it have rights, nor can it sustain life absent the mother.

“ABORTION KILLS A HUMAN BEING”

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#241 Jul 13, 2013
Lides wrote:
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If your arguing a technicality, you argument is anything but strong.
The reality remains that a fetus is neither legally a person, nor does it have rights, nor can it sustain life absent the mother.
Ok, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but you are incapable of understanding anything even though it was your own original post. Sorry, I'm done with you, I can't fix stupid.

“Je suis Charlie”

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#242 Jul 13, 2013
lides wrote:
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Or, we could agree that you are wrong. At very least legally. However, one wonders what your justification to make others abide by your moral standards might be.
That is it!! You look at this on a legal issue, I look at it as a moral issue! Thou shalt not kill ISN'T a bad idea! We shouldn't be too eager to kill. I have seen enough killing for no good reason in my time.

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

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#243 Jul 14, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
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Liberals believe history started the day they started to give a sh*t. Check your history ALL OF IT before you say something stupid as you did! I am done with you now!
The United States was founded on liberal principles. If you prefer something different that strokes your ego perhaps you should look elsewhere.

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e : the power of choice

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#244 Jul 14, 2013
kaylayossi wrote:
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Ok, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but you are incapable of understanding anything even though it was your own original post. Sorry, I'm done with you, I can't fix stupid.
We never give you the benefit of the doubt and we can't fix fetus worshipping stupid either...thats why you are dismissed often.

Every word of this is true and you simply refuse to accept it:
Lides wrote:
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The reality remains that a fetus is neither legally a person, nor does it have rights, nor can it sustain life absent the mother.
Now go lay by your dish.

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#245 Jul 14, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
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That is it!! You look at this on a legal issue, I look at it as a moral issue! Thou shalt not kill ISN'T a bad idea! We shouldn't be too eager to kill. I have seen enough killing for no good reason in my time.
So, sense you have seen enough killing in your time you intend to draw a line on women and their personal circumstances all to makeup for what you partook in?

Sounds like you are trying to ease your conscience on the backs of women.
I see

Oak Hill, WV

#247 Jul 14, 2013
Nice to see so many liberals are so willing to kill innocents.

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