From Back Alleys to Abortion Drugs

Jul 25, 2013 Full story: The Daily Beast 14

With Texas trying to get around Roe v Wade by regulating clinics out of existence, Amanda Marcotte talks to historians about why abortion access in red states will actually be worse than in the 1950s.

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Dan

Omaha, NE

#1 Jul 25, 2013
"Outside of the 20-week ban, this new law doesn’t technically restrict a woman’s right to obtain an abortion or force her to give a reason for the abortion, but it makes it so hard to operate a clinic that it will make getting an abortion physically impossible or prohibitively expensive. It will force most women to travel out of state, often across many states, to get to a clinic that has the room to see them, pushing the cost into the thousands of dollars, the opposite of free."

.....except that Texas already HAS clinics that comply with the facilities regulations the new law imposes.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#2 Jul 25, 2013
Dan wrote:
"Outside of the 20-week ban, this new law doesn’t technically restrict a woman’s right to obtain an abortion or force her to give a reason for the abortion, but it makes it so hard to operate a clinic that it will make getting an abortion physically impossible or prohibitively expensive. It will force most women to travel out of state, often across many states, to get to a clinic that has the room to see them, pushing the cost into the thousands of dollars, the opposite of free."
.....except that Texas already HAS clinics that comply with the facilities regulations the new law imposes.
You think that five clinics in a state as huge as Texas is sufficient for the population? Do you have any idea where those clinics are? How long it will take the majority of women to travel to one of them? You live in Delaware, for pity sake. Do you even know just HOW big Texas is? For most women, driving to the closest clinic still open will BE the equivalent of driving one to three states away.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#3 Jul 25, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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You think that five clinics in a state as huge as Texas is sufficient for the population? Do you have any idea where those clinics are? How long it will take the majority of women to travel to one of them? You live in Delaware, for pity sake. Do you even know just HOW big Texas is? For most women, driving to the closest clinic still open will BE the equivalent of driving one to three states away.
The article was hyperbolic. That was my point.

Maybe 5 is enough, maybe it isn't. If they need more, they'll build more.

How long they'll have to drive will depend on where they are and where the clinic is, but they'll still be in Texas.

I don't live in DE. I live in Nebraska, so I know what long drives are.

Dan

Omaha, NE

#4 Jul 25, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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You think that five clinics in a state as huge as Texas is sufficient for the population? Do you have any idea where those clinics are? How long it will take the majority of women to travel to one of them? You live in Delaware, for pity sake. Do you even know just HOW big Texas is? For most women, driving to the closest clinic still open will BE the equivalent of driving one to three states away.
There are 42 or something now, so it's not like they're on every street corner today.

Someone who lives in the sticks in Twisted Twig, TX would have to drive somewhere anyway.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#5 Jul 25, 2013
Dan wrote:
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The article was hyperbolic. That was my point.
Maybe 5 is enough, maybe it isn't. If they need more, they'll build more.
How long they'll have to drive will depend on where they are and where the clinic is, but they'll still be in Texas.
I don't live in DE. I live in Nebraska, so I know what long drives are.
Odd, as your ISP shows Wilmington, DE, and has for as long as I can remember.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#6 Jul 25, 2013
Dan wrote:
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There are 42 or something now, so it's not like they're on every street corner today.
Someone who lives in the sticks in Twisted Twig, TX would have to drive somewhere anyway.
Your post indicated disagreement with the other poster who stated, correctly, that there wouldn't be enough clinics in the state for most women.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#7 Jul 25, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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Odd, as your ISP shows Wilmington, DE, and has for as long as I can remember.
My ISP is indeed Wilmington. I live in NE.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#8 Jul 25, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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Your post indicated disagreement with the other poster who stated, correctly, that there wouldn't be enough clinics in the state for most women.
What other poster?

It's been just you and me here.

If you're alluding to the article, the author said the new statutes would make an abortion "physically impossible" to get, requiring them to go outstate.

It won't.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#9 Jul 25, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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Your post indicated disagreement with the other poster who stated, correctly, that there wouldn't be enough clinics in the state for most women.
The author also mysteriously refers to "free" abortions being legislated away by the law, now being supplanted with "prohibitively expensive" ones.

I had no idea until now that Tx had free abortions before the new law.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#10 Jul 25, 2013
Dan wrote:
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The author also mysteriously refers to "free" abortions being legislated away by the law, now being supplanted with "prohibitively expensive" ones.
I had no idea until now that Tx had free abortions before the new law.
LOL, sorry, meant to say the author.

Since PP clinics operate on a sliding scale for their services, the difference in what a woman can pay being made up by the donations of others, I'm sure they do provide many free abortions. As well as other services.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#11 Jul 25, 2013
Dan wrote:
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What other poster?
It's been just you and me here.
If you're alluding to the article, the author said the new statutes would make an abortion "physically impossible" to get, requiring them to go outstate.
It won't.
An no, they said "most women". Feel free to prove they won't. Your comment that there will still be clinics doesn't cut it, given that there will only be five.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#13 Jul 25, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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An no, they said "most women". Feel free to prove they won't. Your comment that there will still be clinics doesn't cut it, given that there will only be five.
I think it's the authors burden to explain her premise as to why "most women" would opt to travel out of state when they don't have to.

There will only be five until those remaining that choose to continue service make the necessary upgrades.

In any event, there will still be clinics open in Texas.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#14 Jul 25, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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LOL, sorry, meant to say the author.
Since PP clinics operate on a sliding scale for their services, the difference in what a woman can pay being made up by the donations of others, I'm sure they do provide many free abortions. As well as other services.
Thanks for the detail.

This negates the author's claims, then, as PP sets the price, not the state.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#15 Aug 17, 2013
Dan wrote:
"Outside of the 20-week ban, this new law doesn’t technically restrict a woman’s right to obtain an abortion or force her to give a reason for the abortion, but it makes it so hard to operate a clinic that it will make getting an abortion physically impossible or prohibitively expensive. It will force most women to travel out of state, often across many states, to get to a clinic that has the room to see them, pushing the cost into the thousands of dollars, the opposite of free."
.....except that Texas already HAS clinics that comply with the facilities regulations the new law imposes.
No one has the right to kill anybody. No matter how much of a nihilistic, self serving tyrant they might be. Women that kill their children with abortion should be summarily executed for crimes against humanity.

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