Could overhaul undermine employer health coverage?

Oct 24, 2010 Full story: Fort Worth Star-Telegram 15

The new health care law wasn't supposed to undercut employer plans that have provided most people in the U.S. with coverage for generations.

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Since: Dec 08

Medina, TX

#1 Oct 24, 2010
Of course it undermines all of our health insurance. It is designed to. What part of single payer do you not understand. This is what socialism is all about.
dumbocraps

Tampa, FL

#2 Oct 24, 2010
over the next 3 months people will get a stark dose of reality about obamacare & all the pain it will cause individuals & the country!!!

case in point, my hellcare costs have risen an average of 3-4% yearly for the past 7 years. but this year the rates for 2011 will skyrocket to a 27% INCREASE with a higher deductable!

when asked why my employer immediately said it is because of obamacare!!!

get ready folks - the shite is hitting the fan!

“If it ain't broke don't fix it”

Since: Jul 09

Arcadia, LA.

#3 Oct 24, 2010
The healthscam law wasn't suppose to do a lot of things: it wasn't suppose to cause the cost of insurance to go up - but it is; it wasn't suppose to cause people to lose the coverage they already have, but in may cases, it is.

Also, it WAS suppose to instantly create 400,000 new jobs upon it's passing, but it didn't.

Since: Nov 08

Gulfport, MS

#5 Oct 24, 2010
sailorman2 wrote:
Of course it undermines all of our health insurance. It is designed to. What part of single payer do you not understand. This is what socialism is all about.
"I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer universal health care program. I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its gross national product on health care, cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And that's what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single-payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. That's what Id like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we've got to take back the White House, we've got to take back the Senate, and we've got to take back the House."

Senator Obama June 30, 2003

“If it ain't broke don't fix it”

Since: Jul 09

Arcadia, LA.

#6 Oct 24, 2010
Interesting article from the AP printed in my local paper this morning. Just goes to show that Obama was a puppet of the insurance industry:

"Though the insurers won the insurance mandate they wanted from President Barack Obama and the Democrats, they opposed the overall bill and now say they want to be sure the regulations they face aren't onerous."

However, these same companies see the landslide coming in November, and are now funneling more money to Republicans in hopes they will not do away with the part of the Healthscam bill that mandates most people have and insurance policy.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CAM...

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#8 Oct 24, 2010
sailorman2 wrote:
Of course it undermines all of our health insurance. It is designed to. What part of single payer do you not understand. This is what socialism is all about.
Single payer has nothing to do with thiws article, or with socialism.
Just what do you think socialism is?
What part of "vampirism by greedy health insurance companies" don't you understand?
Stop the madness

Waterbury, CT

#9 Oct 24, 2010
sailorman2 wrote:
Of course it undermines all of our health insurance. It is designed to. What part of single payer do you not understand. This is what socialism is all about.
As Harry Reid stated AFTER this bill was passed..."We WILL have a single payer system". I work for a municipality and have no doubt that my employer will dump my ins. company for the govt. option. The way this bill is set up insures the demise of private ins. companies down the road.

“Free money is a myth”

Since: Aug 08

Chattanooga, TN

#10 Oct 24, 2010
Mr_Bill wrote:
<quoted text>
Single payer has nothing to do with thiws article, or with socialism.
Just what do you think socialism is?
What part of "vampirism by greedy health insurance companies" don't you understand?
What part of "Vampirism by greedy non-productive,whiney,multi-ge nerational societal leeches who demand others reduce their quality of life to take care of them" should not be allowe to vote or have children" is going to make you stroke out. Compassion should not be a suicide pact.

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#11 Oct 25, 2010
As it has been said before, those in favor of this socialize medicine don't know what is in store for everyone. Health Insurance Companies will find loop holes around the law which will cost everyone their insurance including those who thought they were getting it for free. You get what you pay for, or this case what you don't pay for.
Robert

Brooklyn, NY

#12 Oct 25, 2010
Another serious matter that has not received much attention;



http://ebiblefellowship.com/may21/index.html

May God bless and have mercy on us.

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#13 Oct 25, 2010
Evilution wrote:
<quoted text>
What part of "Vampirism by greedy non-productive,whiney,multi-ge nerational societal leeches who demand others reduce their quality of life to take care of them" should not be allowe to vote or have children" is going to make you stroke out. Compassion should not be a suicide pact.
Take a breath. You've crossed oven into the incomprehensable.

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#14 Oct 25, 2010
dragoon70056 wrote:
The healthscam law wasn't suppose to do a lot of things: it wasn't suppose to cause the cost of insurance to go up - but it is; it wasn't suppose to cause people to lose the coverage they already have, but in may cases, it is.
Also, it WAS suppose to instantly create 400,000 new jobs upon it's passing, but it didn't.
The healthscam; pushed by the GOP, waas only partially successful in that they were able to reject "single payer."

The new law is not causing any increases, or changes. What is causing the conditions you refer to is greed, and the greedy are falsely pointing fingers at the new law. Remember, it doesn't take effect for years. What happens now is still the old system; and you must blame the GOP for fighting for it.

So raise your sights, and blame the GOP for these nasty money grabs. That's all they are.

“If it ain't broke don't fix it”

Since: Jul 09

Arcadia, LA.

#15 Oct 25, 2010
Mr_Bill wrote:
<quoted text>
The healthscam; pushed by the GOP, waas only partially successful in that they were able to reject "single payer."
The new law is not causing any increases, or changes. What is causing the conditions you refer to is greed, and the greedy are falsely pointing fingers at the new law. Remember, it doesn't take effect for years. What happens now is still the old system; and you must blame the GOP for fighting for it.
So raise your sights, and blame the GOP for these nasty money grabs. That's all they are.
While the mandate for all citizens to have a policy do not go into effect until 2014, some provisions of the bill have already gone into effect.

Since: Dec 08

Medina, TX

#16 Oct 25, 2010
nobleagl wrote:
<quoted text>
"I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer universal health care program. I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its gross national product on health care, cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And that's what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single-payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. That's what Id like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we've got to take back the White House, we've got to take back the Senate, and we've got to take back the House."
Senator Obama June 30, 2003
A question. Would you rather the government provide health insurance or health care?

Since: Nov 08

Gulfport, MS

#17 Oct 26, 2010
sailorman2 wrote:
<quoted text>A question. Would you rather the government provide health insurance or health care?
I would prefer the Government follow the Constitution according to Article I, section 8

"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;"

"To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;"
"To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;"
"To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;"
"To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;"
"To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;"
"To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;"
"To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;"
"To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;"
"To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;"
"To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;"
"To provide and maintain a Navy;"
"To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;"
"To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;"
"To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;"
"To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;"

"And To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."

And most importantly,
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

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