Bredesen vetoes new 'guns in bars' bill

May 19, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Chattanooga Times Free Press

Gov. Phil Bredesen on Tuesday vetoed legislation allowing Tennessee's estimated 270,000 handgun-carry permit holders go armed in restaurants, bars, museums and other establishments licensed to sell alcohol for on-premises consumption.

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an american memphis

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May 19, 2010
 
Good!!!
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I would rather the legislature concentrate on open-carry, myself. Idealistically, I agree that people have the right to self-defense anywhere, including in a bar, provided they are not intoxicated. I also beleieve that a proprieter of a business has the right to allow or disallow guns on the property based on his own decision. We need open carry legislation which allows anyone who is not a felon to carry a loaded weapon on in public or in private property which chooses to allow it. Our state constitution says that our right to bear (carry) arms shall not be infringed, and that the legislature may regulate the wearing of arms with an aim ot prevent crime. That does allow the state to require a permit for the concealed carrying of a firearm, but your right to arm yourself in public still can't be infringed upon. Fees and registrations are an infringement (something that restricts something OR makes it more difficult) on our right to carry a weapon, but they are acceptable in order to carry CONCEALED as the state has the power to regulate that. If the law only required one to show a law enforcement a state issued id that could be used to check one's criminal record, people could carry openly and their right to self defense would be protected as they would not have to pay for and sign up for it. If you have to ask for something, it isn't a right, it's a privilege. I don't think the government has the authority to require registration to carry a weapon as long as you are not hiding it. If a person were carrying, the law would be able to check his id if he were suspicious, and find out his legal status, so it is unlikely that we would have many felons carrying firearms openly in public.
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Why do I carry a gun? Because a cop is too heavy to carry around!
Mari Cone

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Are we at war?
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Mari Cone wrote:
Are we at war?
Is Tennessee free of crime?
Big Papa

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Mari Cone wrote:
Are we at war?
Which do you think a mugger/rapist/killer would respond better to:
1)A .40 caliber Glock loaded with 10 rounds of DoubleTap hollow points. or
2)You on your cell phone dialing 911?

Me personally, I'll go with option #1. I've had to call 911 and 40 minutes later the cops showed up. I hope you are never the victim of a violent crime but if you are you will open your eyes to the real world we live in and realize it's up to you to provide protection for yourself and the ones you love and care about.
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There will be a veto overide just like last time.
Knowledge is Power

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Many northern states dictate concealed carry, if they allow citizens to carry at all. Those same states usually also have a law against "brandishing" a firearm. So when a gust of wind catches the covering garment and the wrong person catches a glimpse of a permit holder's weapon, the usual outcome is that the permit holder is jailed, the weapon confiscated and the permit revoked. That's why the good folk in the TN legislature decided to call it a "Handgun Carry" permit instead of a "Concealed Carry" permit. By them doing so, you are able to carry openly or concealed, as you like. As for carrying openly, I'll keep mine hidden. I like the idea of having surprise on my side...pun intended.
Watchdog 71D

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May 21, 2010
 
Knowledge is Power wrote:
Many northern states dictate concealed carry, if they allow citizens to carry at all. Those same states usually also have a law against "brandishing" a firearm. So when a gust of wind catches the covering garment and the wrong person catches a glimpse of a permit holder's weapon, the usual outcome is that the permit holder is jailed, the weapon confiscated and the permit revoked. That's why the good folk in the TN legislature decided to call it a "Handgun Carry" permit instead of a "Concealed Carry" permit. By them doing so, you are able to carry openly or concealed, as you like. As for carrying openly, I'll keep mine hidden. I like the idea of having surprise on my side...pun intended.
Florida has concealed carry but not open carry. However, Florida defines brandishing as displaying a firearm in a rude,careless, angry or threatening manner, not in lawful self defense.

That has been determined to mean that an inadvertent display of a concealed firearm (such as when the wind blows you cover garment open showing the weapon) does NOT constitute brandishing.
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Knowledge is Power wrote:
Many northern states dictate concealed carry, if they allow citizens to carry at all. Those same states usually also have a law against "brandishing" a firearm. So when a gust of wind catches the covering garment and the wrong person catches a glimpse of a permit holder's weapon, the usual outcome is that the permit holder is jailed, the weapon confiscated and the permit revoked. That's why the good folk in the TN legislature decided to call it a "Handgun Carry" permit instead of a "Concealed Carry" permit. By them doing so, you are able to carry openly or concealed, as you like. As for carrying openly, I'll keep mine hidden. I like the idea of having surprise on my side...pun intended.
Actually, only 7 states do not allow open carry of handguns and of those only one could truly be called a "northern" state - New York.

Three would be "southern" - South Carolina, Florida and Arkansas
Two would be "western" - Texas and Oklahoma
One would be "midwest" - Illinois

And then there's the "federal enclave" of Washington, D.C.

In other words, your broad statement is not quite accurate.
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melba wrote:
<quoted text>Is Tennessee free of crime?
To walk around packing heat, looking for and "taking care of" problems is by definition; vigilantism. Volumes of information can be accessed very easily here in cyberspace. Paranoia, disinformation and drastic easy "answers" to problems are no substitute for an education.

Before you go all Chuck Heston on me, bear in mind that I DO believe the right to bear arms (as in, at your house, under lock and key until events precipitate the need to defend ones self from any tyrannical government arises) is very important. My experience has led me to believe that those who want to walk around packing are the LEAST mentally stable amongst us. The papers are full of stories regarding the pseudo Dirty Harry's getting involved in situations and escalating them to an irreparable degree. There are at least 50 of these types of stories compared to the "a man blew away some punk burglars who were threatening his family" stories.

Case in point: In the last few weeks, two old idiots at Tellico Village get into an argument, one shoots the other. The other is the kid who got involved in an argument at the west knox wal-mart and drew down on a perfect stranger.AWESOME!

LOOKING for trouble.
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Big Papa wrote:
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Which do you think a mugger/rapist/killer would respond better to:
1)A .40 caliber Glock loaded with 10 rounds of DoubleTap hollow points. or
2)You on your cell phone dialing 911?
Me personally, I'll go with option #1. I've had to call 911 and 40 minutes later the cops showed up. I hope you are never the victim of a violent crime but if you are you will open your eyes to the real world we live in and realize it's up to you to provide protection for yourself and the ones you love and care about.
Where are you going that you might get mugged? Why not hang on the decent side of town. My mother was nearly KILLED by a mugger in the late 70's, I am a veteran.... and unlike the superhero veterans I see here on the internet, I was 11B, infantry. And I see NO reason to walk around armed. You, nor anyone else could ever hope to "open my eyes" as my experiences surpass 99% of the BS and innuendo purveyed on the internet. I simply don't need a gun.
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Mari Cone wrote:
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To walk around packing heat, looking for and "taking care of" problems is by definition; vigilantism. Volumes of information can be accessed very easily here in cyberspace. Paranoia, disinformation and drastic easy "answers" to problems are no substitute for an education.
Before you go all Chuck Heston on me, bear in mind that I DO believe the right to bear arms (as in, at your house, under lock and key until events precipitate the need to defend ones self from any tyrannical government arises) is very important. My experience has led me to believe that those who want to walk around packing are the LEAST mentally stable amongst us. The papers are full of stories regarding the pseudo Dirty Harry's getting involved in situations and escalating them to an irreparable degree. There are at least 50 of these types of stories compared to the "a man blew away some punk burglars who were threatening his family" stories.
Case in point: In the last few weeks, two old idiots at Tellico Village get into an argument, one shoots the other. The other is the kid who got involved in an argument at the west knox wal-mart and drew down on a perfect stranger.AWESOME!
LOOKING for trouble.
Wow, a 50-1 ratio? Really? Got cites other than one anecdotal story?

Most people who "pack heat" (such a loaded, stereotypic term) do so in the hope they will NEVER have to use the weapons they carry. Do you really think I would want to shoot someone in front of my wife and daughters? Do you really think I take my family into the "bad" parts of town, just a-wishin' to get into a gunfight?

Those little things known as "facts" deny your little rant. In Florida, the rate of Concealed Weapon & Firearms License holders who have had their licenses revoked for committing criminal acts has remained at about 1/10 of 1 percent for more than 27 years.

Unstable? Vigilantes? Looking for trouble?

Hardly. Merely your projections.
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Mari Cone wrote:
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Where are you going that you might get mugged? Why not hang on the decent side of town. My mother was nearly KILLED by a mugger in the late 70's, I am a veteran.... and unlike the superhero veterans I see here on the internet, I was 11B, infantry. And I see NO reason to walk around armed. You, nor anyone else could ever hope to "open my eyes" as my experiences surpass 99% of the BS and innuendo purveyed on the internet. I simply don't need a gun.
An 11-Bullet Catcher, huh? How appropriate.
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We have so many problems, highest rate of divorce, bankruptcy, unemployment children neglected on a huge scale and this is what our lawmakers are worried about, this shows how stupid we are guns and self defense those are real issue's. If you are that worried about your safety stay at home, shoot all that come to your door. Most folks that feel they need a gun all the time are not the one's that should have them.
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Mari Cone wrote:
Are we at war?
Read the papers and watch the news.

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Amerika has become a nation of freedom-hating, safety-loving nazis.

The purpose of the 2nd amendment is to prohibit govt from regulating weapons SO that we can protect ourselves from the GOVT (duh).

Millions of stupid Americanos believe govt must either regulate or ban guns (weapons). Why should we listen to the dumbest Americanos ? Sort of like the wolf telling the sheep they don't need sharp claws. Eh.

Letting the govt regulate guns is like letting Adolf Hitler babysit Jewish kids. I'm serious too.

The govt will use the excuse of crime (safety and security) to con the sheep into letting the govt (the wolves) regulate guns. And,

There are thousands of American born and bred Nazis who will tell you all kinds of reasons (lies) why the govt must regulate guns. One of the most famous of these Nazis is Paul Helmke. These con-artists will tell you your right to safety is paramount to the 2nd amendment or any other right. Would you take the advice of a wolf, a nazi, or from me ?
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Satan wrote:
<quoted text>Read the papers and watch the news.
Exactly!

They are FULL of pseudo Dirty Harry idiots making poor decisions.
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Watchdog 71D wrote:
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An 11-Bullet Catcher, huh? How appropriate.
I suppose you were some sort of secret top security clearance super spy CIA special tactics recondo airborne ranger?

In my voluminous experience, we have a word for the Military "experts" who populate the internet with their expert opinions: "Profile"

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Mari Cone wrote:
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I suppose you were some sort of secret top security clearance super spy CIA special tactics recondo airborne ranger?
In my voluminous experience, we have a word for the Military "experts" who populate the internet with their expert opinions: "Profile"
Iam off topic but from one "bullet catcher "to another thank you for your service and Wellcome Home

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