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United States Citizenship vs. state citizenship

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Elizabethtown, KY

#1 May 16, 2008
Who is a citizen of the United States? Is that the same as a state citizen or a citizen of the United States of America? No! Read this definition from Black's law (5th Edition) of "Fourteenth Amendment" to see the difference:

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The Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States, ratified in 1868, CREATES OR AT LEAST RECOGNIZES FOR THE FIRST TIME a "citizenship for the United States", as distinct from that of the states;

(Yes, it says a citizen of the United States is distinct from state citizenship!)

forbids the making or enforcement by any state of any law abridging the privileges and immunities of citizens of the United States; and secures all "persons" against any state action which results in either deprivation of life, liberty, or property without due process of law, or, in denial of the equal protection of the laws. This Amendment also contains provisions concerning the apportionment of representatives in Congress.

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Now, 1868 is after the Civil War which some people say was about slavery. Since the slaves weren't consider human at that time and therefore they didn't have God-given rights guaranteed in the Bill of Rights like the free inhabitants at the time, the 14th Amendment United States citizenship was created for the SLAVES in order to give them FEDERAL (CIVIL PRIVILEGES)/ PROTECTIONS that are misnamed CIVIL RIGHTS. That Amendment wasn't about the other free inhabitants of the states that already had God-given rights as well as state citizenships. Unfortunately, over the years the STATE/GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM has now taught all of the countries non-elitest inhabitants that they are also 14th Amendment slaves who need to sign up (SS#, BIRTH CERTIFICATES, etc. federal programs and documents) for these misnamed "civil rights" (STATE GIVEN PRIVILEGES are NOT "rights") as well. This goes along with the recently created states of AL, CO, etc. of the United States which are NOT THE SAME AS the Alabama, Colorado, etc. of the United States of America. PB, I am now trying to wake up the sheep/peasants to the deception before they get hurt worse and/or even slaughtered by the traitors (in high places) behind these scams.
Dan

Ormond Beach, FL

#2 Feb 10, 2009
<p>You correctly concluded that there is a citizen of the United States, you incorrectly concluded that there is a citizen of a State or a citizen of the United States of America.</p>

<p>The entry in Black's Law Dictionary is from the Slaughterhouse Cases. The Supreme Court decided in the Slaughterhouse Cases that because of the Fourteenth Amendment there were now two seperate and distinct citizens under the Constitution of the United States; a citizen of the United States, under the Fourteenth Amendment; and a citizen of the several States, under Article IV, Section 2, Clause 1.(note 1) The last was later reaffirmed in Cole v. Cunningham:</p>

<p><blockquote>“Th e intention of section 2, Article IV (of the Constitution), was to confer on the CITIZENS OF THE SEVERAL STATES a general citizenship.” Cole v. Cunningham: 133 U.S. 107, 113-114 (1890).</blockquote>< /p>

<p>So you have a citizen of the United States, who can become also a citizen of a state, by residing therein. And you have a citizen of a state who becomes under Article IV, Section 2, Clause 1 of the Constitution, a citizen of the several States. Therefore, under the Constitution of the United States, since the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment, there are two citizens; a citizen of the several States and a citizen of the United States. And in each State of the Union, there are two types of state citizens; a citizen of the several States and a citizen of the United States.</p>

<p>__________</p>

<p>1.“We think this distinction and its explicit recognition in this Amendment of great weight in this argument, because the next paragraph of this same section (first section, section clause), which is the one mainly relied on by the plaintiffs in error, SPEAKS ONLY OF PRIVILEGES AND IMMUNITIES OF CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES, AND DOES NOT SPEAK OF THOSE OF CITIZENS OF THE SEVERAL STATES. The argument, however, in favor of the plaintiffs, rests wholly on the assumption that the citizenship is the same and the privileges and immunities guaranteed by the clause are the same.” Slaughterhouse Cases, page 74.</p>

<p>And,“In the Constitution of the United States, which superseded the Articles of Confederation, the corresponding provision is found in section two of the fourth article, in the following words:‘The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens OF (emphasis mine) the several States.’” Slaughterhouse Cases, page 75.</p>

<p>__________</p>

<p>Further Readings:</p>

<p>Dan Goodman, "Slaughterhouse Cases, Two Citizens"; November 8, 2008; American Chronicle at http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/806... ;

<p>Dan Goodman, "Mistake in the Syllabus"; November 11, 2008; American Chronicle at http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/811... ;

<p>Dan Goodman, "Slaughterhouse Cases, Up Close"; November 12, 2008; American Chronicle at http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/812... ;

<p>Dan Goodman, "Two citizens under the Constitution"; November 13, 2008; American Chronicle at http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/813... ;

<p>Dan Goodman, "Privileges and Immunities of a Citizen of the several States"; November 14, 2008; American Chronicle at http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/814... ;
Dan

Ormond Beach, FL

#3 Feb 10, 2009
You correctly concluded that there is a citizen of the United States, you incorrectly concluded that there is a citizen of a State or a citizen of the United States of America.

The entry in Black's Law Dictionary is from the Slaughterhouse Cases. The Supreme Court decided in the Slaughterhouse Cases that because of the Fourteenth Amendment there were now two seperate and distinct citizens under the Constitution of the United States; a citizen of the United States, under the Fourteenth Amendment; and a citizen of the several States, under Article IV, Section 2, Clause 1.(note 1) The last was later reaffirmed in Cole v. Cunningham:

“The intention of section 2, Article IV (of the Constitution), was to confer on the CITIZENS OF THE SEVERAL STATES a general citizenship.” Cole v. Cunningham: 133 U.S. 107, 113-114 (1890).

So you have a citizen of the United States, who can become also a citizen of a state, by residing therein. And you have a citizen of a state who becomes under Article IV, Section 2, Clause 1 of the Constitution, a citizen of the several States. Therefore, under the Constitution of the United States, since the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment, there are two citizens; a citizen of the several States and a citizen of the United States. And in each State of the Union, there are two types of state citizens; a citizen of the several States and a citizen of the United States.

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1.“We think this distinction and its explicit recognition in this Amendment of great weight in this argument, because the next paragraph of this same section (first section, section clause), which is the one mainly relied on by the plaintiffs in error, SPEAKS ONLY OF PRIVILEGES AND IMMUNITIES OF CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES, AND DOES NOT SPEAK OF THOSE OF CITIZENS OF THE SEVERAL STATES. The argument, however, in favor of the plaintiffs, rests wholly on the assumption that the citizenship is the same and the privileges and immunities guaranteed by the clause are the same.” Slaughterhouse Cases, page 74.

And,“In the Constitution of the United States, which superseded the Articles of Confederation, the corresponding provision is found in section two of the fourth article, in the following words:‘The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens OF (emphasis mine) the several States.’” Slaughterhouse Cases, page 75.

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Further Readings:

Dan Goodman, "Slaughterhouse Cases, Two Citizens"; November 8, 2008; American Chronicle at http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/806... .

Dan Goodman, "Mistake in the Syllabus"; November 11, 2008; American Chronicle at http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/811... .

Dan Goodman, "Slaughterhouse Cases, Up Close"; November 12, 2008; American Chronicle at http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/812... .

Dan Goodman, "Two citizens under the Constitution"; November 13, 2008; American Chronicle at http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/813... .

Dan Goodman, "Privileges and Immunities of a Citizen of the several States"; November 14, 2008; American Chronicle at http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/814... .
Raymond

United States

#4 Apr 13, 2011
the Amendment recognized that "an individual can be a Citizen of one of the several states without being a citizen of the United States," (U.S. v. Anthony, 24 Fed. Cas. 829, 830), or, "a citizen of the United States without being a Citizen of a state." (Slaughter-House Cases, supra; cf. U.S. v. Cruikshank, 92 US 542, 549 (1875)).

A more recent case is Crosse v. Bd. of Supervisors, 221 A.2d 431 (1966) which says: "Both before and after the Fourteenth Amendment to the federal Constitution, it has not been necessary for a person to be a citizen of the United States in order to be a citizen of his state." Citing U.S. v. Cruikshank, supra.

The courts presume you to be a federal citizen, without even telling you that there are different classes of citizens. It is up to you dispute this. "Unless the defendant can prove he is not a citizen of the United States, the IRS has the right to inquire and determine a tax liability." U.S. v. Slater, 545 Fed. Supp. 179,182 (1982).
Jerry

Pearce, AZ

#5 Mar 6, 2012
Dan wrote:
<p>You correctly concluded that there is a citizen of the United States, you incorrectly concluded that there is a citizen of a State or a citizen of the United States of America.</p>
<p>The entry in Black's Law Dictionary is from the Slaughterhouse Cases. The Supreme Court decided in the Slaughterhouse Cases that because of the Fourteenth Amendment there were now two seperate and distinct citizens under the Constitution of the United States; a citizen of the United States, under the Fourteenth Amendment; and a citizen of the several States, under Article IV, Section 2, Clause 1.(note 1) The last was later reaffirmed in Cole v. Cunningham:</p>
<p><blockquote>“Th e intention of section 2, Article IV (of the Constitution), was to confer on the CITIZENS OF THE SEVERAL STATES a general citizenship.” Cole v. Cunningham: 133 U.S. 107, 113-114 (1890).</blockquote>< /p>
<p>So you have a citizen of the United States, who can become also a citizen of a state, by residing therein. And you have a citizen of a state who becomes under Article IV, Section 2, Clause 1 of the Constitution, a citizen of the several States. Therefore, under the Constitution of the United States, since the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment, there are two citizens; a citizen of the several States and a citizen of the United States. And in each State of the Union, there are two types of state citizens; a citizen of the several States and a citizen of the United States.</p>
<p>__________</p>
<p>1.“We think this distinction and its explicit recognition in this Amendment of great weight in this argument, because the next paragraph of this same section (first section, section clause), which is the one mainly relied on by the plaintiffs in error, SPEAKS ONLY OF PRIVILEGES AND IMMUNITIES OF CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES, AND DOES NOT SPEAK OF THOSE OF CITIZENS OF THE SEVERAL STATES. The argument, however, in favor of the plaintiffs, rests wholly on the assumption that the citizenship is the same and the privileges and immunities guaranteed by the clause are the same.” Slaughterhouse Cases, page 74.</p>
<p>And,“In the Constitution of the United States, which superseded the Articles of Confederation, the corresponding provision is found in section two of the fourth article, in the following words:‘The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens OF (emphasis mine) the several States.’” Slaughterhouse Cases, page 75.</p>
<p>__________</p>
<p>Further Readings:</p>
<p>Dan Goodman, "Slaughterhouse Cases, Two Citizens"; November 8, 2008; American Chronicle at http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/806... ;
<p>Dan Goodman, "Mistake in the Syllabus"; November 11, 2008; American Chronicle at http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/811... ;
<p>Dan Goodman, "Slaughterhouse Cases, Up Close"; November 12, 2008; American Chronicle at http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/812... ;
<p>Dan Goodman, "Two citizens under the Constitution"; November 13, 2008; American Chronicle at http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/813... ;
<p>Dan Goodman, "Privileges and Immunities of a Citizen of the several States"; November 14, 2008; American Chronicle at http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/814... ;
You cannot be a Resident and a citizen of a state at the same time two differnt class of people.

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