NYT: Teachers wonder, why the scorn?

NYT: Teachers wonder, why the scorn?

There are 169 comments on the www.msnbc.msn.com story from Mar 3, 2011, titled NYT: Teachers wonder, why the scorn?. In it, www.msnbc.msn.com reports that:

The jabs Erin Parker has heard about her job have stunned her. Oh you pathetic teachers, read the online comments and placards of counterdemonstrators. You are glorified baby sitters who leave work at 3 p.m. You deserve minimum wage.

Even in a country that is of two minds about teachers — Americans glowingly recall the ones who changed their lives, but think the job with its summers off is cushy — education experts say teachers have rarely been the targets of such scorn from politicians and voters.

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Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#25 Mar 3, 2011
Tired of the BS wrote:
Most Teachers now are having sex with their students! They don't teach they just sit on their keesta and bitch about them being held captive!
Most American children can't read write, and it is proof they cannot count cause look at our economy!
So spare me with their continuance of whining!
At least they're not preists cornholing alter boys.
scout

Castro Valley, CA

#26 Mar 3, 2011
translation: Marxist Public School Teachers wonder at the political tsunami backlash.

Since: Sep 07

Maumee, OH

#27 Mar 3, 2011
Tired of the BS wrote:
Most Teachers now are having sex with their students! They don't teach they just sit on their keesta and bitch about them being held captive!
Most American children can't read write, and it is proof they cannot count cause look at our economy!
So spare me with their continuance of whining!
Provide proof please.

“Truth to Power!”

Since: Apr 07

Raleigh, NC

#28 Mar 3, 2011
Teachers are receiving SCORN because they are receiving Pay & Benefits that Far Exceed their counterparts in the Private sector. To make matters worse, we the tax payer, are paying for their benefits for the rest of their lives. That is BS and we are sick & tired of it.

9 Months work and getting much more pay/bene's while Bankrupting State & local governments.

Since: Oct 10

Bowie, MD

#30 Mar 3, 2011
The title should read " Why do good teachers feel the scorn"

Le Jumbo is correct.

Not all teachers strike or have the ability to bargain. It is up to the parents to prepare children for school. If they aren't prepared and the teacher has no cooperation from the parent, then that child's fate is almost sealed.

So, it sounds as though many of you have had your salaries frozen, insurance premiums raised the last several years. Sounds like a pay cut to me. Im sure you all have volunteered in low income, inner city schools tutoring struggling students as well. I also sure most people deduct business expenses from taxes. Well when you are a teacher and spend 500 plus a year,you can only claim $200 on taxes. Im sure many of you take business calls at dinner to help a parent work through a subtraction problem also.

If you don't know, ask about it.

“Ignorantia valde pestifera.”

Since: Jan 09

Harding Township, NJ

#31 Mar 3, 2011
Can't escape the irony that the same Republicans who are cursing teachers, cops and firefighters for having way too much money owed to them in their pensions after 5, 10, 20 or even 30 years (or more) of dedicated public service, are the same Republicans fighting tooth and nail to protect corporate executives being able to score an 8-figure bonus for one year's shoddy work.
Saul Alinsky

Pittsburgh, PA

#32 Mar 3, 2011
Chris41 wrote:
The title should read " Why do good teachers feel the scorn"
Le Jumbo is correct.
Not all teachers strike or have the ability to bargain. It is up to the parents to prepare children for school. If they aren't prepared and the teacher has no cooperation from the parent, then that child's fate is almost sealed.
So, it sounds as though many of you have had your salaries frozen, insurance premiums raised the last several years. Sounds like a pay cut to me. Im sure you all have volunteered in low income, inner city schools tutoring struggling students as well. I also sure most people deduct business expenses from taxes. Well when you are a teacher and spend 500 plus a year,you can only claim $200 on taxes. Im sure many of you take business calls at dinner to help a parent work through a subtraction problem also.
If you don't know, ask about it.
Yes, many of us have had our salaries frozen and insurance premiums raised. You see, we private sector workers live in the real world. When times are tough, we actually have to live within our means. Many of us also volunteer to help the less fortunate. And here's the kicker... we don't get paid for it. As far as spending your own money on class, that's interesting considering the $10K+ many districts spend per pupil. I guess your union and administration simply squanders the taxpayers' money? So who's fault is that?

And finally, many of us take business calls at any hour of the day or night, and don't think anything of it. The fact that you whine about it is very telling of your prima donna mindset. I suggest you don't know much of the real world... ask about it.
Saul Alinsky

Pittsburgh, PA

#33 Mar 3, 2011
GunnySteve wrote:
Can't escape the irony that the same Republicans who are cursing teachers, cops and firefighters for having way too much money owed to them in their pensions after 5, 10, 20 or even 30 years (or more) of dedicated public service, are the same Republicans fighting tooth and nail to protect corporate executives being able to score an 8-figure bonus for one year's shoddy work.
That's interesting. Can you show me the demonstrations where Republicans are protesting to protect corporate executive pay? I must have missed that demonstration, but I'm sure you can provide a link, right?
Saul Alinsky

Pittsburgh, PA

#34 Mar 3, 2011
GunnySteve wrote:
Can't escape the irony that the same Republicans who are cursing teachers, cops and firefighters for having way too much money owed to them in their pensions after 5, 10, 20 or even 30 years (or more) of dedicated public service, are the same Republicans fighting tooth and nail to protect corporate executives being able to score an 8-figure bonus for one year's shoddy work.
P.S.– "Dedicated public service"? Really... LOL... I don't remember any of them doing it for free.

And I can't escape the irony of how you libs love the cops when we're talking unions, and in the next breath call them fascists when they won't let you run around like the sociopaths you are.
justin

Blue Springs, MO

#35 Mar 3, 2011
McCarthy was right wrote:
Teachers "wonder why the scorn?"
Try this:
Nationwide, education levels in our schools continue to decline in spite of massive raises and above average benefits packages "to attract the best teachers."
Yet, they fight tooth and nail to reject systems of accountability in favor of longevity, and go absolutely berserk if the rigged system of granting their pay and benefits is questioned.
I'd say that's deserving of scorn.
teachers are lazy bums ripping the tax payers. they should be fired. scumbags

“Ignorantia valde pestifera.”

Since: Jan 09

Harding Township, NJ

#36 Mar 3, 2011
Saul Alinsky wrote:
<quoted text>
That's interesting. Can you show me the demonstrations where Republicans are protesting to protect corporate executive pay? I must have missed that demonstration, but I'm sure you can provide a link, right?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/06/gop-...

Yes ... I know. It's a Huffington Post link, so you automatically disregard it without reading it.

And yes, I know. This link doesn't show members of the GOP Congress actually physically protesting, so you automatically disregard it without reading it.

And yes, I know. This proves my point, so you automatically disregard it without reading it.

“Ignorantia valde pestifera.”

Since: Jan 09

Harding Township, NJ

#37 Mar 3, 2011
Saul Alinsky wrote:
P.S.– "Dedicated public service"? Really... LOL... I don't remember any of them doing it for free.
Where did I say or imply that it was free, numbnuts?

Your beloved elected officials are "dedicated public officials," but they get paid. So clearly, everyone in Congress - Republican and Democrat - are worthless, entitlement-minded scum, right?
Saul Alinsky wrote:
And I can't escape the irony of how you libs love the cops when we're talking unions, and in the next breath call them fascists when they won't let you run around like the sociopaths you are.
Nice meaningless blanket accusation, numbnuts. Even though it makes no more sense than any of your other pathetic Beckite/Palindrone drivel, at least you got your obligatory "everyone who doesn't think exactly what I've been programmed to think is a lib" mantra out there for the eleven-billionth time this month.

“Ignorantia valde pestifera.”

Since: Jan 09

Harding Township, NJ

#38 Mar 3, 2011
justin wrote:
teachers are lazy bums ripping the tax payers. they should be fired. scumbags
Uh huh ... you're just pissed because all that tax money could be going to more corporate executive bailout bonuses instead of into pensions for people who actually earned them.

Corporate executives are thieving incompetents ripping the tax payers. They should be fired. Scumbags.

Since: Oct 10

Bowie, MD

#39 Mar 3, 2011
Who is whining about the Bush tax cuts? Im no teacher either. I don't take them for granted either. My child was prepared for school long in advance. I don't place sole blame on poor education on teachers. I don't place screwed up state or federal budgets on them either. As far as helping less fortunate or charity goes, it is all capable of tax deductions. As far as a teachers spending it all isn't.

40k a year after 10 years service and a Masters degree doesn't seem like fair market value. You can't compare all states to Wisconsin or Ohio either. Different setups in each state. Dedicated, great teachers a far worth more than any elected official.
The Superintendent makes a Governor salary. Union gets no money from the County either.

“Ignorantia valde pestifera.”

Since: Jan 09

Harding Township, NJ

#40 Mar 3, 2011
"Because of their excesses, very bad things begin to happen, like the United States government telling a company what it can pay its employees. That's not a good thing in America," Senator Jon Kyl, R-Arizona

"What executives have done is troubling, but it's equally troubling to have government telling shareholders how much they can pay the executives," ~ Senator Mel Martinez, R-Florida

"I am one of the chief defenders of Obama on the Republican side" for the president's efforts to reach across the aisle. But, as I was listening to him make those statements I thought, is this still America? Do we really tell people how to run [a business], and who to pay and how much to pay?" ~ Senator James Inhofe, R-Oklahoma

The objection to the government intervention in salaries is rooted in the Republican belief that government is inherently ineffective. "If Congress can run a financial institution, it belies everything I've seen in this body. Government does not do a good job running private institutions, so we have no business telling companies how much they can pay or reward their employees. This is a bad bill and I won't support it." ~ Senator Kit Bond, R-Missouri

"If we do such a good job of running the federal government, what business do we have telling them how to run the banks? This is a bad bill and I won't support it." ~ Senator Tom Coburn, R-Oklahoma

"Unlike Democrats, Republicans are concerned that setting compensation limits could put the country on the road to serfdom. This is just a symptom of what happens when the government intervenes and we start controlling all aspects of the economy. This is just the first piece. If you accept the fact that the government should be setting pay scales in America, then it's hard not to go after these exorbitant salaries and bonuses. But I think it's a sad day in America when the government starts setting pay, no matter how outlandish they are." ~ Senator Jim DeMint, R-South Carolina
harvey

Columbus, OH

#41 Mar 3, 2011
Saul Alinsky wrote:
Hello Harvey.
A few points of contention:

>>Hello, halfwit. Let me deal with your absurdities one-by-one:

One, tea partiers and the radical Right are completely nuts.“I’m sure they feel the same way about the left.”

>>I'm sure I couldn't give less of a damn.

These are people who want to eliminate government, taxation, abortion rights, and anything else which offends them.“Interesting… and also a trait of the left (eliminating things that offend them). Funny how that works, eh?”

>>Lame argument. Not funny.

They believe children are being "indoctrinated" by "radical left unionized teachers," and reject any evidence to the contrary.“Please provide some evidence to the contrary. I’m sure we’re all ears. However, it’s hard to dispute that the teachers, teacher’s union, and those that educate teachers are hardly supporters of the right. And it's also hard to dispute the anecdotal stories every day about right-bashing teachers.”

>>It's not happening. Prove they ARE being "indoctrinated." I'm well aware of how public schools work and what's being taught, and it isn't "left-wing indoctrination." If anything, the RIGHT has been sneaking its indocrtrination into the schools - forcing so-called "intelligent design" to be taught, forcing sex-ed classes to teach only "abstinence-based" programs, etc. And why would teachers' unions support the Right, when you are all anti-union and anti-teacher? Would that make sense to you?

ANY failure in education is all the fault of the teachers.“Hmmm… not really. We also fault the administrators, school boards, the union and its leadership, as well as the government agency in charge of the failed mess."

>>Sorry, I see it all the time, on this board as well. Teachers are first to get the blame. And your side does NOTHING to fix it but try to destroy the current system.

Second, these people are generally Republicans, tea party or not, and hate unions in general. They want unions destroyed, whether public OR private, and their funding of the Dem Party cut off. This furthers their goal of one-party rule by Republicans in America.“Yes, we don’t like public unions. Neither did FDR or George(?) Meany. We don’t care about private unions because that’s your choice. You remember the word “choice”, right? We do, however, get a little ticked-off when those paid with taxpayer dollars get benefits and pay well beyond the comparable job in the private sector... along with the normal government stupidity of not being able to fire someone unless they commit murder.”

>>Your claims about job pay are dubious at best, and you don't actually address my claim, which is that your side's out to destroy unions and impact the Dem Party for partisan reasons.

It's not mystifying; America is full of nuts. They need to be stopped before they do real damage.“Yes, that’s exactly what we say about the left.”

>>And again, it means less than nothing. As do most of your posts.

Since: Oct 10

Bowie, MD

#42 Mar 3, 2011
Seems as though some have all the answers but no solutions. Fire all teachers. Fire all police. Fire all Fire fighters. Sounds like a plan to me. Hopefully I'll get a tax refund.
YouHelpFixIt

Scottsdale, AZ

#43 Mar 3, 2011
GunnySteve wrote:
Can't escape the irony that the same Republicans who are cursing teachers, cops and firefighters for having way too much money owed to them in their pensions after 5, 10, 20 or even 30 years (or more) of dedicated public service, are the same Republicans fighting tooth and nail to protect corporate executives being able to score an 8-figure bonus for one year's shoddy work.
You villify the corporate executives for their greed and glorified teachers and teachers unions for the same thing.

That makes you the hypocrite, yet again.

Conservative just want each to be paid what the market dictates.
harvey

Columbus, OH

#44 Mar 3, 2011
Saul Alinsky wrote:
<quoted text>
No problem, Harvey. I freely admit that I'd like to break the stranglehold of unions and lawyers on the public purse, discourse, and laws, and also break their incestuous, unseemly, and I would say criminal relationship with the Dems. However, if the Dem party were to live on and get back to their roots, that's fine with me. But if they continue to be a hard-left party of socialist kooks, yeah, I'd like to see them destoyed, as well. OK by you?
At least you admit the accusations, although you try, lamely, to justify them. There is no "criminal relationship," of course, or at least the relationship's no more "criminal" than that of corporations, etc. with the reTHUGlican party.

The Dem Party at present is centrist, and has been since Clinton. Only a TRUE partisan idiot could believe it is "hard-left" or "socialist." I mean, that's just laughable, even for a "kook" like you....LOL
harvey

Columbus, OH

#45 Mar 3, 2011
Tired of the BS wrote:
Most Teachers now are having sex with their students! They don't teach they just sit on their keesta and bitch about them being held captive!
Most American children can't read write, and it is proof they cannot count cause look at our economy!
So spare me with their continuance of whining!
If this post is satire, it's pretty funny. If not, it's pretty DAMN pathetic.

Your call...:)

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