NYT: Teachers wonder, why the scorn?

Mar 3, 2011 | Posted by: Iria | Full story: www.msnbc.msn.com

The jabs Erin Parker has heard about her job have stunned her. Oh you pathetic teachers, read the online comments and placards of counterdemonstrators. You are glorified baby sitters who leave work at 3 p.m. You deserve minimum wage.

Even in a country that is of two minds about teachers — Americans glowingly recall the ones who changed their lives, but think the job with its summers off is cushy — education experts say teachers have rarely been the targets of such scorn from politicians and voters.

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It may be most College kids cannot read or write...and in the world our education system is awful...other for paying old fart teachers ,incompetent teachers,teachers doing nothing...Well,one could get PISSED OFF at them...sloping up tax money,and doing a lousy job...Throw them out..give young new teachers the jobs..get rid of the old Dinios....and the thieving unions who control them,and fleece all of us!!

“Obama: Leading us to failure”

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Every summer off, every weekend off, every holiday off, and they still cry and complain, yeah I think people are right....They are a bunch of crybabies.
McCarthy was right

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Teachers "wonder why the scorn?"

Try this:

Nationwide, education levels in our schools continue to decline in spite of massive raises and above average benefits packages "to attract the best teachers."

Yet, they fight tooth and nail to reject systems of accountability in favor of longevity, and go absolutely berserk if the rigged system of granting their pay and benefits is questioned.

I'd say that's deserving of scorn.
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It's hard to add much to what the three previous posters already said. Each is correct. However, let me give it a shot:

I guess I could add that the old chestnut about low pay is now a farce, especially considering the summers off. Or how about a strike every time a contract expires and they're asked to pay a small percent toward their healthcare (much less than is required in the private sector)? Or how about a defined pension (that private industry no longer offers) that is perpetually underfunded and then continually bailed-out by strapped taxpayers? Or how about continually trying to ram liberal tripe into our children's heads as gospel? Or teaching political correctness and "diversity" as if it has any meaning or value in the real world? The lack of discipline in schools as a direct result of "educators" that believe the PC sociology/psychology pap of the day? Hmmmm... I think you get the picture.
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You people are ignorant if you think this bill passing is the answer. Again teachers are not being paid because we have allowed so much to happen. No one can afford anything because the drugs, the illegals sucking life out of us, china making everything for us and the poor minorities that always claim the race card. So let's attack the unions who gave people a chance to earn a good wage while the suits and ties tried to take advantage of them. I feel bad for everyone involved in making this choice. We are on a downward slope and everything is broken.

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It all started when eve ate that wormy apple and got "educated."
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Hey wake up wrote:
You people are ignorant if you think this bill passing is the answer. Again teachers are not being paid because we have allowed so much to happen. No one can afford anything because the drugs, the illegals sucking life out of us, china making everything for us and the poor minorities that always claim the race card. So let's attack the unions who gave people a chance to earn a good wage while the suits and ties tried to take advantage of them. I feel bad for everyone involved in making this choice. We are on a downward slope and everything is broken.
Please join us in the 21st century. It's no longer the unions saving us from "the suits and ties." There are, in case you hadn't noticed, a myriad of laws and government agencies that dictate how a private company can deal with employees. Not to mention literally thousands of lawyers that make their money suing any company for any perceived slight.

And where is the greatest concentration of union workers? That's right... in the very same government that is tasked with protecting "the working man's" rights. So who is the union fighting? The government? Nope... they are actually fighting the taxpayer. The educational establishment and their excesses are simply the most visible of the government union abuses.

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McCarthy was right wrote:
Teachers "wonder why the scorn?"
Try this:
Nationwide, education levels in our schools continue to decline in spite of massive raises and above average benefits packages "to attract the best teachers."
Yet, they fight tooth and nail to reject systems of accountability in favor of longevity, and go absolutely berserk if the rigged system of granting their pay and benefits is questioned.
I'd say that's deserving of scorn.
The bigger money goes to the administrations and the unions, who then say........its for the kids. Most teachers are hard working, work long hours in the school and home, pay out of their pocket for supplies because budget for the classrooms are short changed so state educations exectivers can take lavish trips to "STUDY OTHER SYSTEMS.......In Paris and other european cities.

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Hey wake up wrote:
You people are ignorant if you think this bill passing is the answer. Again teachers are not being paid because we have allowed so much to happen. No one can afford anything because the drugs, the illegals sucking life out of us, china making everything for us and the poor minorities that always claim the race card. So let's attack the unions who gave people a chance to earn a good wage while the suits and ties tried to take advantage of them. I feel bad for everyone involved in making this choice. We are on a downward slope and everything is broken.
Seriously? WHO has allowed "so much to happen"? The libs, you moron. Union dues go to the pockets of Democrat politicians who subsidize all the things you blame. Job security for them and teachers and now that is biting them on the ass they moan about how it's not their fault. Suits? Who do you think union organizers and union lobbyists ARE? Suits who create NOTHING but more NEED.

Incredible.
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Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>The bigger money goes to the administrations and the unions, who then say........its for the kids. Most teachers are hard working, work long hours in the school and home, pay out of their pocket for supplies because budget for the classrooms are short changed so state educations exectivers can take lavish trips to "STUDY OTHER SYSTEMS.......In Paris and other european cities.
Apparently, you had something you wanted to get off your chest, because you didn’t address the points I brought up in my post.

Yes, top-heavy administration is a problem in the schools, just as it is in any bureaucracy...but so is slavish adherence to tenure, lowering education levels and the rigged pay and benefit "negotiating" system brought about by public employee unions.
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The education system in this country has been dumbed down. The level of education in all university schools of education has also been dumbed down. When my kids were in school, they would bring home notes from teachers with misspelled words and poor grammar. I was tempted to correct them and send them back to the teachers.

The standing joke when I was in college and grad school was that if a person could color within the lines, they would be graduated. And now these dummies are making $100K per year.

This country spends more on public education than any other nation on earth and gets less for its investment.
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Two things:

One, tea partiers and the radical Right are completely nuts. These are people who want to eliminate government, taxation, abortion rights, and anything else which offends them. They believe children are being "indoctrinated" by "radical left unionized teachers," and reject any evidence to the contrary. ANY failure in education is all the fault of the teachers.

Second, these people are generally Republicans, tea party or not, and hate unions in general. They want unions destroyed, whether public OR private, and their funding of the Dem Party cut off. This furthers their goal of one-party rule by Republicans in America.

It's not mystifying; America is full of nuts. They need to be stopped before they do real damage.
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McCarthy was right wrote:
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Apparently, you had something you wanted to get off your chest, because you didn’t address the points I brought up in my post.
Yes, top-heavy administration is a problem in the schools, just as it is in any bureaucracy...but so is slavish adherence to tenure, lowering education levels and the rigged pay and benefit "negotiating" system brought about by public employee unions.
Administration's been a problem for a long time. Tenure's been there a long time, and protects good teachers, not just the few bad ones. Teachers don't "lower education levels" - a lot of that is the fault of radical Righties and religious nuts who keep harassing school boards over what's being taught in schools, factual or not. Pay and benefits ARE negotiated - if you don't like the way they're negotiated, complain. Or run for school board. Don't just hate on teachers and unions like the 'bagger goofball you appear to be.
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Le Jimbo wrote:
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Saul Alinsky wrote:
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Please join us in the 21st century. It's no longer the unions saving us from "the suits and ties." There are, in case you hadn't noticed, a myriad of laws and government agencies that dictate how a private company can deal with employees. Not to mention literally thousands of lawyers that make their money suing any company for any perceived slight.
And where is the greatest concentration of union workers? That's right... in the very same government that is tasked with protecting "the working man's" rights. So who is the union fighting? The government? Nope... they are actually fighting the taxpayer. The educational establishment and their excesses are simply the most visible of the government union abuses.
Moronic...although with a thread of truth in that first paragraph.

You attack unions and tort lawyers, two groups which just HAPPEN to either offend Corporate America or contribute massively to the Democratic Party, or both.

That's your REAL agenda, destroying unions and defunding the Dems. Why aren't you honest enough to just ADMIT it?:)
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WOODCHUCK wrote:
It may be most College kids cannot read or write...and in the world our education system is awful...other for paying old fart teachers ,incompetent teachers,teachers doing nothing...Well,one could get PISSED OFF at them...sloping up tax money,and doing a lousy job...Throw them out..give young new teachers the jobs..get rid of the old Dinios....and the thieving unions who control them,and fleece all of us!!
It's absolute nonsense that "most College kids cannot read or write."

Frankly, you aren't very well-educated yourself. You're a fine one to criticize.
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Most Teachers now are having sex with their students! They don't teach they just sit on their keesta and bitch about them being held captive!

Most American children can't read write, and it is proof they cannot count cause look at our economy!

So spare me with their continuance of whining!
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harvey wrote:
Two things:
One, tea partiers and the radical Right are completely nuts. These are people who want to eliminate government, taxation, abortion rights, and anything else which offends them. They believe children are being "indoctrinated" by "radical left unionized teachers," and reject any evidence to the contrary. ANY failure in education is all the fault of the teachers.
Second, these people are generally Republicans, tea party or not, and hate unions in general. They want unions destroyed, whether public OR private, and their funding of the Dem Party cut off. This furthers their goal of one-party rule by Republicans in America.
It's not mystifying; America is full of nuts. They need to be stopped before they do real damage.
Hello Harvey.

A few points of contention:

One, tea partiers and the radical Right are completely nuts.“I’m sure they feel the same way about the left.”

These are people who want to eliminate government, taxation, abortion rights, and anything else which offends them.“Interesting… and also a trait of the left (eliminating things that offend them). Funny how that works, eh?”

They believe children are being "indoctrinated" by "radical left unionized teachers," and reject any evidence to the contrary.“Please provide some evidence to the contrary. I’m sure we’re all ears. However, it’s hard to dispute that the teachers, teacher’s union, and those that educate teachers are hardly supporters of the right. And it's also hard to dispute the anecdotal stories every day about right-bashing teachers.”

ANY failure in education is all the fault of the teachers.“Hmmm… not really. We also fault the administrators, school boards, the union and its leadership, as well as the government agency in charge of the failed mess."

Second, these people are generally Republicans, tea party or not, and hate unions in general. They want unions destroyed, whether public OR private, and their funding of the Dem Party cut off. This furthers their goal of one-party rule by Republicans in America.“Yes, we don’t like public unions. Neither did FDR or George(?) Meany. We don’t care about private unions because that’s your choice. You remember the word “choice”, right? We do, however, get a little ticked-off when those paid with taxpayer dollars get benefits and pay well beyond the comparable job in the private sector... along with the normal government stupidity of not being able to fire someone unless they commit murder.”

It's not mystifying; America is full of nuts. They need to be stopped before they do real damage.“Yes, that’s exactly what we say about the left.”
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harvey wrote:
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Moronic...although with a thread of truth in that first paragraph.
You attack unions and tort lawyers, two groups which just HAPPEN to either offend Corporate America or contribute massively to the Democratic Party, or both.
That's your REAL agenda, destroying unions and defunding the Dems. Why aren't you honest enough to just ADMIT it?:)
No problem, Harvey. I freely admit that I'd like to break the stranglehold of unions and lawyers on the public purse, discourse, and laws, and also break their incestuous, unseemly, and I would say criminal relationship with the Dems. However, if the Dem party were to live on and get back to their roots, that's fine with me. But if they continue to be a hard-left party of socialist kooks, yeah, I'd like to see them destoyed, as well. OK by you?

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