Political, legal fights over school vouchers' fate

Apr 8, 2012 Full story: Star-Telegram.com 25

Students like Delano Coffy are at the heart of brewing political fights and court battles over whether public dollars should go to school vouchers to help make private schools more affordable.

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Always Thinking

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#24 Apr 19, 2012
Democrats will argue anything, even to the point of things coming full circle on them.
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“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#25 Apr 19, 2012
userid29 wrote:
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We could have an income phase out for voucher eligibility.
Or, with high income people starting to get vouchers, they can afford higher taxes to pay for the vouchers.
You imply that $40M is going to break the bank. That depends on the state budget. Instead, you should look at the cost on a per student basis.
We should not discriminate against those who have opted out of the public school system.
No. An additional $40 million would not break the bank. But these 'voucher' schemes politicians dream up are usually only available to those students that have been attending the public schools and therefore not a voucher. I used those nice round numbers to illustrate that under a 'true' voucher system, those students that already opted out should be covered and in my example the $40mil would be spent on students that are not currently being covered.

As to a per student basis, my state, Massachusetts, gives school aid to districts using an overly complex formula. My district gets roughly $1100 per student. Others get $5000 to as much as $11,000. I'd love to see what each student would get if they gave equally per student.

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#26 Apr 19, 2012
DaveinMass wrote:
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these 'voucher' schemes politicians dream up are usually only available to those students that have been attending the public schools and therefore not a voucher.
Those schemes are wrong. Students who have previously opted out of public schools should get vouchers. We should have what you call a "true" voucher system.
DaveinMass wrote:
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under a 'true' voucher system, those students that already opted out should be covered and in my example the $40mil would be spent on students that are not currently being covered.
The issue you bring up is not a deal-breaker for moving to a voucher system. It's not an argument against a voucher system. It's something to take into account when deciding how to implement a voucher system. You could raise taxes, or you could reduce the amount that the government spends per student, or the value of the voucher could depend on family income. No matter what you prefer, a voucher system will work better than the current system.

“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#28 Apr 20, 2012
userid29 wrote:
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The issue you bring up is not a deal-breaker for moving to a voucher system. It's not an argument against a voucher system. It's something to take into account when deciding how to implement a voucher system.
Agreed. But when you hear about these systems, either ones implemented or proposed, it only covers those students currently enrolled in the public schools.
userid29 wrote:
<quoted text>You could raise taxes, or you could reduce the amount that the government spends per student, or the value of the voucher could depend on family income. No matter what you prefer, a voucher system will work better than the current system.
Why would there be a means test? Wouldn't the state value each student's education equally?

As to raising taxes, good luck with that.

I would like to see the state take all the K-12 money they currently spend, divide it by the number of total K-12 students, including those that have already opted out of public education, and give them a voucher for that amount that the student would endorse over to the private or public school of choice. But even this would have issues. What about special ed students and the low income student when the voucher does not cover the total cost of a private school as well as transportation limitations. What about the local school district money spent on their public schools?

It's not a simple matter to say take the money and divide it up equally.

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#29 Apr 20, 2012
DaveinMass wrote:
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Agreed. But when you hear about these systems, either ones implemented or proposed, it only covers those students currently enrolled in the public schools.
When the question is government-run public schools or a poorly implemented system that only covers those students currently enrolled in the public schools (CEPS), I favor the poorly implemented voucher system. Any voucher system is better than what we have now. The first step does not have to be an ideal voucher system. It can be a steppingstone that moves us closer to an ideal voucher system. Even a CEPS voucher system will improve competition and innovation, and that will improve private schools. So families in private schools will benefit even without getting a voucher.
DaveinMass wrote:
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I would like to see the state take all the K-12 money they currently spend, divide it by the number of total K-12 students, including those that have already opted out of public education, and give them a voucher for that amount that the student would endorse over to the private or public school of choice.
Agreed.
DaveinMass wrote:
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But even this would have issues. What about special ed students and the low income student when the voucher does not cover the total cost of a private school as well as transportation limitations.
The private sector is more efficient, so students will get more per dollar spent.
DaveinMass wrote:
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What about the local school district money spent on their public schools?
What do you mean? All government education money should go to vouchers.

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