Liberty Counsel Threatens to Sue if California's Governor Brown Signs Ban on 'Ex-gay' Therapy

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Mat Staver and these charlatans are only looking for attention. I can't fathom that they want to take on the merits of conversion/reparative therapy - long discredited - to "pray away the gay" to court.

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Since: Mar 07

United States

#1 Sep 3, 2012
"Mat Staver and these charlatans are only looking for attention. I can't fathom that they want to take on the merits of conversion/reparative therapy - long discredited - to "pray away the gay" to court."

Because some of them truly believe it. They need to believe it. Probably because a large number of them are hiding in dark closets of their own design, and the last thing their little minds can take it the knowledge that all of their suffering, and all of the lies have been in vain. And were not even necessary in the first place, to be able to be good in the sight of their God.

Look at David from Pekin IL, and a few others than post here. His mind would shatter is he were forced to let go of his fear.

Reality doesn't come in to play with these folks.

“Even an Ice Princess can melt.”

Since: Apr 09

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#2 Sep 3, 2012
Quest wrote:
"Mat Staver and these charlatans are only looking for attention. I can't fathom that they want to take on the merits of conversion/reparative therapy - long discredited - to "pray away the gay" to court."
Because some of them truly believe it. They need to believe it. Probably because a large number of them are hiding in dark closets of their own design, and the last thing their little minds can take it the knowledge that all of their suffering, and all of the lies have been in vain. And were not even necessary in the first place, to be able to be good in the sight of their God.
Look at David from Pekin IL, and a few others than post here. His mind would shatter is he were forced to let go of his fear.
Reality doesn't come in to play with these folks.
First let me state. I think that ex gay therapy is not right. However. I think banning it all together is going a bit too far. It takes away the persons ability to make their own choice.

I think in the end it would be much more beneficial if it was regulated and like abortion forced to have teaching, and information in this case on the scietific value of this treatment. Which is that it is usually proved wrong.
Hoodathunkit

Mount Gilead, OH

#3 Sep 3, 2012
Roisia wrote:
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First let me state. I think that ex gay therapy is not right. However. I think banning it all together is going a bit too far. It takes away the persons ability to make their own choice.
I think in the end it would be much more beneficial if it was regulated and like abortion forced to have teaching, and information in this case on the scietific value of this treatment. Which is that it is usually proved wrong.
The bill does not ban it all together. The bill addresses minors being forced to undergo ex gay therapy. Adults will still be able to make their own choices.

Since: Aug 11

Santa Cruz, CA

#4 Sep 3, 2012
So let them. They will lose because they cannot prove that such therapy does no harm.

Since: Jul 08

Roanoke, VA

#5 Sep 3, 2012
I think every state should band it, for Ex-gay therapy amounts to no more then religious snake oil. It's a con from beginning to end and is a huge misuse of the public confidence.

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Since: Sep 12

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#6 Sep 3, 2012
They have every right to sue and they will also have the responsibility to PAY for the cost of the trial when they loose.

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Spike

Minneapolis, MN

#7 Sep 3, 2012
If therapy to treat homosexual dis-order could help homosexuals like Jerry Sandusky to stop molesting children, wouldn't it be worth it to save a child?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#8 Sep 3, 2012
Spike wrote:
If therapy to treat homosexual dis-order could help homosexuals like Jerry Sandusky to stop molesting children, wouldn't it be worth it to save a child?
It obviously didn't work for you, which is why you still troll on every gay topic......

Since: Jul 08

Roanoke, VA

#9 Sep 3, 2012
Spike wrote:
If therapy to treat homosexual dis-order could help homosexuals like Jerry Sandusky to stop molesting children, wouldn't it be worth it to save a child?
Well to begin with Homosexuality isn't a dis-order. Second Jerry Sandusky isn't gay, he's a pervert and yes theres a difference. Lastly ex-gay therapy has never cured anyone, for it's been proven by science that you can't pray the gay away and anyone who thinks you can is really a few fries short of a happy meal.

“Post-religious”

Since: Apr 08

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#10 Sep 3, 2012
Roisia wrote:
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First let me state. I think that ex gay therapy is not right. However. I think banning it all together is going a bit too far. It takes away the persons ability to make their own choice.
I think in the end it would be much more beneficial if it was regulated and like abortion forced to have teaching, and information in this case on the scietific value of this treatment. Which is that it is usually proved wrong.
The bill doesn't completely ban the therapy known as "reparative therapy". It bans the use of such a practice by those individuals who receive from the state:

"licensing and regulation of various professions in the healing arts, including physicians and surgeons, psychologists, psychiatric technicians, marriage and family therapists, educational psychologists, clinical social workers, and licensed professional clinical counselors."

Any licensed counselor is free to use reparative therapy on adult patients, provided they obtain informed consent. Religious folks don't like the notion that people will learn that there is no empirical evidence that it works.

The law doesn't prohibit unlicensed counselors and religious counselors from using reparative therapy with any client, including youth. The law specifically says that they are not protected from lawsuits stemming from the use of such therapies, however. That's another fear of religious whackos -- getting sued.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#11 Sep 3, 2012
Brandi Parker wrote:
<quoted text> Well to begin with Homosexuality isn't a dis-order. Second Jerry Sandusky isn't gay, he's a pervert and yes theres a difference. Lastly ex-gay therapy has never cured anyone, for it's been proven by science that you can't pray the gay away and anyone who thinks you can is really a few fries short of a happy meal.
Don't worry, he's a common troll, one that does not bu spew forth frothy santorum on all the gay threads as a method of trying to suppress his own personal desires. ;) He doesn't care about facts.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#12 Sep 3, 2012
Spike wrote:
If therapy to treat homosexual dis-order could help homosexuals like Jerry Sandusky to stop molesting children, wouldn't it be worth it to save a child?
No; because Jerry Sandusky 'already' is a heterosexual child molester

Since: Mar 09

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#13 Sep 3, 2012
Jerry, SIGN IT.

Only, THIS TIME (unlike the bozos you sent before the State Supreme Court during the Prop8 challenge. Christ! They ate those guys as finger snacks!) send people from the AG's office that are tactically and strategically COMPETENT !!

Jerry, chopping up your overall time and spokesperson potential into a lot of little egos wanting to read their position papers was just GIVING the opposition a "divide and conquer" win ... and the Judges did all the work for them. The opposition was competently cagey in letting a single attorney combine ALL his side's time. It allowed him to get around the Judges' obstructive questioning.

DON'T DO IT AGAIN !!
david traversa

Berrotaran, Argentina

#14 Sep 3, 2012
Roisia wrote:
<quoted text>
First let me state. I think that ex gay therapy is not right. However. I think banning it all together is going a bit too far. It takes away the persons ability to make their own choice.
I think in the end it would be much more beneficial if it was regulated and like abortion forced to have teaching, and information in this case on the scietific value of this treatment. Which is that it is usually proved wrong.
You have a point.. Though I don't think this ex-gay therapy will ever amount to anything it will probably be beneficial to let them go ahead and, ultimately, make fools of themselves by failure.. A thoroughly democratically conducted failure..

“Post-religious”

Since: Apr 08

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#15 Sep 3, 2012
david traversa wrote:
<quoted text>You have a point.. Though I don't think this ex-gay therapy will ever amount to anything it will probably be beneficial to let them go ahead and, ultimately, make fools of themselves by failure.. A thoroughly democratically conducted failure..
It's not a matter of making fools of themselves (the religious wingnuts), it's a matter of preventing them from doing harm to others, especially young people who are too unsophisticated to understand the larger issues involved and who may be too swayed by religious superstition and myth.

Banning the treatment for all minors from counselors who are licensed by the state and to all adults who have not been given adequate information in advance is a rational and sensible response by the people of the state of California.

The so-called Liberty Counsel's threats are as empty as their heads.

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#16 Sep 3, 2012
sure

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#17 Sep 4, 2012
Roisia wrote:
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First let me state. I think that ex gay therapy is not right. However. I think banning it all together is going a bit too far. It takes away the persons ability to make their own choice.
I think in the end it would be much more beneficial if it was regulated and like abortion forced to have teaching, and information in this case on the scietific value of this treatment. Which is that it is usually proved wrong.
I would agree, if the therapy did no harm. I would compare these practitioners with the snake-oil salesmen of the late 1800's and early 1900's, pedaling all kinds of dangerous "cures" for life-threatening illnesses. Someone had to step in and make it illegal.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#18 Sep 4, 2012
RalphB wrote:
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I would agree, if the therapy did no harm. I would compare these practitioners with the snake-oil salesmen of the late 1800's and early 1900's, pedaling all kinds of dangerous "cures" for life-threatening illnesses. Someone had to step in and make it illegal.
They still sell such "cures" only now it's called homeopathy. ;)

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#19 Sep 4, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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They still sell such "cures" only now it's called homeopathy. ;)
Well, yeah, maybe. I don't know anything about homeopathic cures, but are they lethal? The snake-oil salesmen put some very dangerous "cures" out there, like Laudium, which I think contained Opium.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#21 Sep 4, 2012
RalphB wrote:
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Well, yeah, maybe. I don't know anything about homeopathic cures, but are they lethal? The snake-oil salesmen put some very dangerous "cures" out there, like Laudium, which I think contained Opium.
I don't have the actual statistics on hand, but people have died from chiropractics, though not called homeopathy it is, acupuncture. There have been severe medical damages to patients who were pushed into homeopathic "herbal" remedies due to not receiving important medicine because they thought it would work. Most importantly, there is no oversight for anything that is considered homeopathy by the FDA. Most damages are because of neglect of proper health care due to the placebo effects and careless practitioners. A biologist did a video on YouTube about them, it's some scary stuff too since it goes relatively unreported in the media.

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