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Ferguson, Clive Bundy, and the Second Amendment

There are 448 comments on the Daily Kos story from Aug 17, 2014, titled Ferguson, Clive Bundy, and the Second Amendment. In it, Daily Kos reports that:

This past week, the nation was collectively transfixed by the unthinkable events in the St. Louis suburb of Ferguson, Missouri.

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Holder in contempt

Los Angeles, CA

#1 Aug 17, 2014
burn it all down
Think about it

Chambersburg, PA

#2 Aug 18, 2014
Think about it. Every other situation in which an innocent person gets gunned down there is a cacophony of gun nuts screeching that if only this person had been armed he could have defended himself. It's been the basis of every concealed and open carry argument for the last couple of decades.

And yet, in this case, nothing.

No impassioned appeals for loosening the gun laws so that ordinary Americans could go to the store in the evening to buy some candy and an iced tea without getting stalked and shot by some unhinged vigilante.

No solemn op-eds about the dangers for average Americans when venturing unarmed into the streets of their own neighborhoods.

No fiery speeches from Wayne LaPierre insisting that if only everyone in the neighborhood had been armed with submachine guns they could have run outside and started firing immediately upon hearing the screams for help.

Nada.

Why do you suppose that is?
Enough already

Bronx, NY

#3 Aug 18, 2014
Think about it wrote:
Think about it. Every other situation in which an innocent person gets gunned down there is a cacophony of gun nuts screeching that if only this person had been armed he could have defended himself. It's been the basis of every concealed and open carry argument for the last couple of decades.
And yet, in this case, nothing.
No impassioned appeals for loosening the gun laws so that ordinary Americans could go to the store in the evening to buy some candy and an iced tea without getting stalked and shot by some unhinged vigilante.
No solemn op-eds about the dangers for average Americans when venturing unarmed into the streets of their own neighborhoods.
No fiery speeches from Wayne LaPierre insisting that if only everyone in the neighborhood had been armed with submachine guns they could have run outside and started firing immediately upon hearing the screams for help.
Nada.
Why do you suppose that is?
Probably because all police are armed as part of state, local and federal standards. Not arming police is not being considered. The NRA supports the Second Amendment rights of the people. The gradual disarmament of the people is happening in several states which is where the NRA does speak out. The so called long string of unarmed black men being shot would apparently be ok as long as it's another black man doing the shooting. Any excuse to incite race wars seems to tempting to the media and the likes of Sharpton, Jackson, Holder etc. While it is always tragic when a kid gets killed, would anyone be outraged if it was a white kid shot by a black cop? Would there be looting and destruction of property? Would it even be on prime time news? There will be accountability but the mob and the media should piss off and let the facts determine the outcome instead of taking the roles of judge, jury, and executioner. And stop trying to blame the NRA and the legal gun owners who are members for the deaths of these "angelic children".
Try again

Chambersburg, PA

#4 Aug 19, 2014
Enough already wrote:
<quoted text>
Probably because all police are armed as part of state, local and federal standards. Not arming police is not being considered. The NRA supports the Second Amendment rights of the people. The gradual disarmament of the people is happening in several states which is where the NRA does speak out. The so called long string of unarmed black men being shot would apparently be ok as long as it's another black man doing the shooting. Any excuse to incite race wars seems to tempting to the media and the likes of Sharpton, Jackson, Holder etc. While it is always tragic when a kid gets killed, would anyone be outraged if it was a white kid shot by a black cop? Would there be looting and destruction of property? Would it even be on prime time news? There will be accountability but the mob and the media should piss off and let the facts determine the outcome instead of taking the roles of judge, jury, and executioner. And stop trying to blame the NRA and the legal gun owners who are members for the deaths of these "angelic children".
False.
Elise Renee Gingerich

Wylie, TX

#5 Aug 19, 2014
I think the whole world, IS CRAZY, and the whole world, needs a real rewind button, because the whole world, IS CRAZY! go on, and call me CRAZY, if you all want to, but you all know, I am right, about needing a real rewind button, for ALL of life!
Enough already

Ardsley, NY

#6 Aug 19, 2014
Try again wrote:
<quoted text>
False.
. Ok, and you back this up with what?
Reality

Chambersburg, PA

#7 Aug 20, 2014
Enough already wrote:
<quoted text>. Ok, and you back this up with what?
The facts of reality.

And they don't support your ideological opinions.

Citizens are not being disarmed. That isn't happening anywhere. Your statement is false.

The shooting of unarmed men is outrageous no matter the race of either the victim or the shooter. There is no circumstance where it is "apparently ok." Your statement is false.

Nobody is trying to "incite race wars." Peaceful protests and public condemnation of racism is the way race wars are prevented. It is the solution. Your statement is false.

When unarmed white kids are shot by police the public is outraged. Looting and destruction are uniformly condemned by everyone. Claiming otherwise is false.

Nobody is blaming legal gun owners for this shooting or for any incident where the police kill unarmed black men. Your suggesting that they are is false.

Of course of you can show me any objective, real-world evidence that proves your claims, I'll be happy to rescind my statement that they are false.
Enough already

Ardsley, NY

#8 Aug 20, 2014
Reality wrote:
<quoted text>
The facts of reality.
And they don't support your ideological opinions.
Citizens are not being disarmed. That isn't happening anywhere. Your statement is false.
The shooting of unarmed men is outrageous no matter the race of either the victim or the shooter. There is no circumstance where it is "apparently ok." Your statement is false.
Nobody is trying to "incite race wars." Peaceful protests and public condemnation of racism is the way race wars are prevented. It is the solution. Your statement is false.
When unarmed white kids are shot by police the public is outraged. Looting and destruction are uniformly condemned by everyone. Claiming otherwise is false.
Nobody is blaming legal gun owners for this shooting or for any incident where the police kill unarmed black men. Your suggesting that they are is false.
Of course of you can show me any objective, real-world evidence that proves your claims, I'll be happy to rescind my statement that they are false.
California, Connecticut, Maryland, and New York have criminalized the possession of formerly legal firearms and ammunition magazines. While the shooting of an unarmed person is a tragedy, nothing excites the masses like a white man shooting a black man. I have not seen riots and looting when the race card is not in play. As for blaming legal gun owners, I was addressing the comment from the article that was asking why the NRA was not promoting the Second Amendment during this crisis. That is where my response came from. Read the legislation passed regarding guns in the states I listed. False, I think not. You are right that looting and riots are condemned by all. We just come to expect it when it involves a black person killed by anything other than another black person.
Bias not proof

Chambersburg, PA

#9 Aug 21, 2014
Enough already wrote:
<quoted text>
California, Connecticut, Maryland, and New York have criminalized the possession of formerly legal firearms and ammunition magazines. While the shooting of an unarmed person is a tragedy, nothing excites the masses like a white man shooting a black man. I have not seen riots and looting when the race card is not in play. As for blaming legal gun owners, I was addressing the comment from the article that was asking why the NRA was not promoting the Second Amendment during this crisis. That is where my response came from. Read the legislation passed regarding guns in the states I listed. False, I think not. You are right that looting and riots are condemned by all. We just come to expect it when it involves a black person killed by anything other than another black person.
CA, CT, MD, and NY citizens are still armed. Limiting the types of weapons persons can have is not disarming them. Their 2nd Amendment right is still firmly intact.

Rioting and looting happen worldwide whenever oppressed minority groups reach a breaking point. It is not confined to African Americans. It's a function of being oppressed. White people in American don't riot because we're the majority with the power in our culture. Attributing a common human behavior to racial identity is racism, pure and simple.

If you have "come to expect" rioting and looting from black people, that says a lot more about the quality of your character than you're capable of admitting.

You aren't offering any evidence to support your biased claims. Simply restating them isn't proof.
Scientific evidence

Chambersburg, PA

#10 Aug 21, 2014
The psychology behind riots and looting: The August 2011 English Riots

Powerlessness and social unrest

Baistow (2000) has recently discussed the evidence for a sense of powerlessness as being a significant factor in the many riots of the 1960s and 1970s in the United States. It seems that many in areas of poverty, poor educational opportunities and severe limitations in career possibilities would lead to a diminished sense of personal empowerment not only in the black ghettoes of the US but in the poor inner city areas of England. It also seems logical that becoming a member of a gang not only gives you a sense being a respected member of a group but also increases your sense of personal empowerment through identification with the power of the gang as a whole.

http://www.psychologymatters.as ia/article/49/the-psychology-b ehind-riots-and-looting-the-au gust-2011-english-riots.html
Enough already

Ardsley, NY

#11 Aug 21, 2014
Bias not proof wrote:
<quoted text>
CA, CT, MD, and NY citizens are still armed. Limiting the types of weapons persons can have is not disarming them. Their 2nd Amendment right is still firmly intact.
Rioting and looting happen worldwide whenever oppressed minority groups reach a breaking point. It is not confined to African Americans. It's a function of being oppressed. White people in American don't riot because we're the majority with the power in our culture. Attributing a common human behavior to racial identity is racism, pure and simple.
If you have "come to expect" rioting and looting from black people, that says a lot more about the quality of your character than you're capable of admitting.
You aren't offering any evidence to support your biased claims. Simply restating them isn't proof.
Second Amendment firmly intact based on whose interpretation? Limiting what weapons people can have is not disarmament? If the police need more than 10 rounds for their protection, what makes anyone's defensive capabilities less important?Stating that the majority of riots are in black communities hardly makes me a racist. However if stating that the majority of gun crimes are committed by black men based on statistical data irritates people, out comes the race card. If the officer who shot Mr. Brown is acquitted, there will be riots. It has nothing to do with my character. Are you ignorant enough to believe differently? Speaks a lot to character don't you think?
Not even close

Chambersburg, PA

#12 Aug 21, 2014
Enough already wrote:
<quoted text>
Second Amendment firmly intact based on whose interpretation? Limiting what weapons people can have is not disarmament? If the police need more than 10 rounds for their protection, what makes anyone's defensive capabilities less important?Stating that the majority of riots are in black communities hardly makes me a racist. However if stating that the majority of gun crimes are committed by black men based on statistical data irritates people, out comes the race card. If the officer who shot Mr. Brown is acquitted, there will be riots. It has nothing to do with my character. Are you ignorant enough to believe differently? Speaks a lot to character don't you think?
SCOTUS.

No it's not.

Fewer rounds does not mean "less important." Police deal with different situations than civilians and need different ammo capacities. "Different," not "less important." And if you can't get the job done, whether it's hunting or defending your home, in 10 rounds, you have no business being armed.

Riots happen in every nation in the world and white people riot too. Exclusively blaming riots on black people is racist.

Confronting racism is not "playing the race card."

The officer that shot Michael Brown will not be arrested, much less tried and acquitted.

My beliefs are based on knowledge, not ignorance - and certainly not bigotry like yours.

And finally - ignorance is unrelated to character. Bigotry most certainly is related to character.

“Facts”

Since: May 08

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#13 Aug 23, 2014
Think about it wrote:
Think about it. Every other situation in which an innocent person gets gunned down there is a cacophony of gun nuts screeching that if only this person had been armed he could have defended himself. It's been the basis of every concealed and open carry argument for the last couple of decades.

And yet, in this case, nothing.

No impassioned appeals for loosening the gun laws so that ordinary Americans could go to the store in the evening to buy some candy and an iced tea without getting stalked and shot by some unhinged vigilante.

No solemn op-eds about the dangers for average Americans when venturing unarmed into the streets of their own neighborhoods.

No fiery speeches from Wayne LaPierre insisting that if only everyone in the neighborhood had been armed with submachine guns they could have run outside and started firing immediately upon hearing the screams for help.

Nada.

Why do you suppose that is?
You don't understand the difference between a criminal thug with a gun and a upstanding citizen?

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#14 Aug 23, 2014
Bias not proof wrote:
<quoted text>CA, CT, MD, and NY citizens are still armed. Limiting the types of weapons persons can have is not disarming them. Their 2nd Amendment right is still firmly intact.

Rioting and looting happen worldwide whenever oppressed minority groups reach a breaking point. It is not confined to African Americans. It's a function of being oppressed. White people in American don't riot because we're the majority with the power in our culture. Attributing a common human behavior to racial identity is racism, pure and simple.

If you have "come to expect" rioting and looting from black people, that says a lot more about the quality of your character than you're capable of admitting.

You aren't offering any evidence to support your biased claims. Simply restating them isn't proof.
Really??

So if I only owned one of the guns on the list and was required to turn it in that is not disarmed?

“Constitutionist/ SAF”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#15 Aug 23, 2014
A video shows Brown to be a bullying thug; he was caught bullying a smaller older store clerk. The video is as clear as a Rodney King beating video. I hate pigs. A cop has his eye smashed (allegedly) by this thug.

Sorry, but we all need extra good reasons to smash a cops' eye and attack the cop while the cop sits in his car. Did the cop shoot to stop his attacker from fleeing ? He's justified to do that.

It's early, but this looks like another Trayvon Martin shooting. Brown was a thug and most of us would want this type of thug to be caught and rounded up quickly by police before he could hurt another person.

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#16 Aug 23, 2014
Tory II wrote:
A video shows Brown to be a bullying thug; he was caught bullying a smaller older store clerk. The video is as clear as a Rodney King beating video. I hate pigs. A cop has his eye smashed (allegedly) by this thug.

Sorry, but we all need extra good reasons to smash a cops' eye and attack the cop while the cop sits in his car. Did the cop shoot to stop his attacker from fleeing ? He's justified to do that.

It's early, but this looks like another Trayvon Martin shooting. Brown was a thug and most of us would want this type of thug to be caught and rounded up quickly by police before he could hurt another person.
Correct

None of these thugs care about browns victims....

They think he has the right to beat anyone he wanted
dali lama

North Haven, CT

#17 Aug 23, 2014
Think about it wrote:
Think about it. Every other situation in which an innocent person gets gunned down there is a cacophony of gun nuts screeching that if only this person had been armed he could have defended himself. It's been the basis of every concealed and open carry argument for the last couple of decades.
And yet, in this case, nothing.
No impassioned appeals for loosening the gun laws so that ordinary Americans could go to the store in the evening to buy some candy and an iced tea without getting stalked and shot by some unhinged vigilante.
No solemn op-eds about the dangers for average Americans when venturing unarmed into the streets of their own neighborhoods.
No fiery speeches from Wayne LaPierre insisting that if only everyone in the neighborhood had been armed with submachine guns they could have run outside and started firing immediately upon hearing the screams for help.
Nada.
Why do you suppose that is?
I would say that is because your tidy hypothetical has nothing to do with what happened in Ferguson Mo.

Peddle that nonsense to your pals in at your yoga class.

“Act Interdimensional ly”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#18 Aug 23, 2014
Elise Renee Gingerich wrote:
I think the whole world, IS CRAZY, and the whole world, needs a real rewind button, because the whole world, IS CRAZY! go on, and call me CRAZY, if you all want to, but you all know, I am right, about needing a real rewind button, for ALL of life!
We've investigated the rewind button. The technology is currently out of our grasp.

Perhaps you can suggest a more low-tech solution?
Understand

Chambersburg, PA

#19 Aug 23, 2014
Here Is One wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't understand the difference between a criminal thug with a gun and a upstanding citizen?
I do. You don't. Ferguson cops don't.
Be honest

Chambersburg, PA

#20 Aug 23, 2014
Here Is One wrote:
<quoted text>
Really??
So if I only owned one of the guns on the list and was required to turn it in that is not disarmed?
Nobody's being required to turn them in.

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