Governor vows to collect cigarette taxes

Governor vows to collect cigarette taxes

There are 152 comments on the Business First of Buffalo story from Aug 27, 2010, titled Governor vows to collect cigarette taxes. In it, Business First of Buffalo reports that:

Gov. David Paterson insists that New York will begin collecting taxes next week on cigarettes sold on Native American reservations.

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open ur eyes

Fredonia, NY

#1 Aug 27, 2010
can't believe that stupid bast**d is going to open that can of worms again....he has no idea!!
Seeing Eye

Fredonia, NY

#2 Aug 27, 2010
open ur eyes wrote:
can't believe that stupid bast**d is going to open that can of worms again....he has no idea!!
Yep, he already has the State Police filling up rooms in the hotels in Hamburg. The shit is going to hit the fan this time around. Lrts see if this costs as much in overtime for the SP's as the Bucky fiasco did. Their bringing in SP's from out of the area again just like they did with Bucky. Boy, they will be out of their element and comfort zone "again". Lets see; spend 5 million in overtime to collect 1 million. Only our blind governor would see that as getting his point across.
Yathink

Buffalo, NY

#3 Aug 27, 2010
I have absolutely no sympathy for the Indians, as the Nation as a whole derives little if any benefit from these sales, all the profits go to individuals with connections. And of course, while they refuse to tax their own businesses, the Nation always has their hand out for Federal grant money for all of their projects. Their government makes ours look honest, something not easily done. That being said, when I see an alignment of a business group (the Convenient Store Association), anti-smokers, and a large tobacco company (Phillip Morris) all seeking the same thing, than my BS meter goes off, and I know the real issue has nothing to do with what the Governor claims (Tax money)This is all about political pay-offs and votes. That being said, the whole concept of Indian taxation has been twisted beyond belief.
joe white

Fredonia, NY

#4 Aug 27, 2010
Seeing Eye wrote:
<quoted text>Yep, he already has the State Police filling up rooms in the hotels in Hamburg. The shit is going to hit the fan this time around. Lrts see if this costs as much in overtime for the SP's as the Bucky fiasco did. Their bringing in SP's from out of the area again just like they did with Bucky. Boy, they will be out of their element and comfort zone "again". Lets see; spend 5 million in overtime to collect 1 million. Only our blind governor would see that as getting his point across.
correct!!!!!!!!!(except that BUCKY needed to be put back behind bars)
Leonard

Dunkirk, NY

#5 Aug 27, 2010
Yathink wrote:
I have absolutely no sympathy for the Indians, as the Nation as a whole derives little if any benefit from these sales, all the profits go to individuals with connections. And of course, while they refuse to tax their own businesses, the Nation always has their hand out for Federal grant money for all of their projects. Their government makes ours look honest, something not easily done. That being said, when I see an alignment of a business group (the Convenient Store Association), anti-smokers, and a large tobacco company (Phillip Morris) all seeking the same thing, than my BS meter goes off, and I know the real issue has nothing to do with what the Governor claims (Tax money)This is all about political pay-offs and votes. That being said, the whole concept of Indian taxation has been twisted beyond belief.
Each enrolled Seneca receives an annuity benefit every year from the profits of casinos, bingo halls, nation owned convenience stores, golf courses and cigarette sales. The amounts each year have varied from $4,000 to $8,000. About three years ago, the Nation distributed $1,500 to each member in the middle of the year as a result of profits from Nation investments. Every child under 18 has a trust account in which their share of funds is deposited. While the Bureau of Indian Affairs does partially fund programs, the Nations fire departments,health care centers, recreation, after school programs, and daycare centers all are also funded through the revenue making ventures. While I am not a fan of the Seneca politics, I had to state the above in the interest of fairness. With regard to Governor Patterson, I can't help but think he is travelling down the same unsuccessful road of all other Governors faced with this mess. If this situation explodes as it did in the nineties, someone will die. I think the approach to take is the following; Tell the Nation that if they are truly sovereign, then be sovereign. We will not build your bridges or your roads, we will abandon the roads, rails and bridges we HAVE built, we will NOT expend any tax dollars on any "Seneca" related programs, projects, or education. None of us can have our cake and eat it too, including the Senecas.
joe white

Fredonia, NY

#6 Aug 27, 2010
Leonard wrote:
<quoted text> Each enrolled Seneca receives an annuity benefit every year from the profits of casinos, bingo halls, nation owned convenience stores, golf courses and cigarette sales. The amounts each year have varied from $4,000 to $8,000. About three years ago, the Nation distributed $1,500 to each member in the middle of the year as a result of profits from Nation investments. Every child under 18 has a trust account in which their share of funds is deposited. While the Bureau of Indian Affairs does partially fund programs, the Nations fire departments,health care centers, recreation, after school programs, and daycare centers all are also funded through the revenue making ventures. While I am not a fan of the Seneca politics, I had to state the above in the interest of fairness. With regard to Governor Patterson, I can't help but think he is travelling down the same unsuccessful road of all other Governors faced with this mess. If this situation explodes as it did in the nineties, someone will die. I think the approach to take is the following; Tell the Nation that if they are truly sovereign, then be sovereign. We will not build your bridges or your roads, we will abandon the roads, rails and bridges we HAVE built, we will NOT expend any tax dollars on any "Seneca" related programs, projects, or education. None of us can have our cake and eat it too, including the Senecas.
while i do not disagree with you in principle leonard,what should we do about the interstates and the US routes,state routes running through the nations? just curious how we could handle that?
charge

Fredonia, NY

#7 Aug 27, 2010
If they want to stop traffic and charge people to cross, then they should be charged to come off the reservation. Though I am against the governor taxing them, I am also against disruption of the average citizen! The railroad pays a fee to go across the reservation, and they still disrupted the rail lines, so who do you trust!
BINGO

Fredonia, NY

#8 Aug 27, 2010
charge wrote:
If they want to stop traffic and charge people to cross, then they should be charged to come off the reservation. Though I am against the governor taxing them, I am also against disruption of the average citizen! The railroad pays a fee to go across the reservation, and they still disrupted the rail lines, so who do you trust!
i do not feel the disruption of the rail traffic was endorsed by the tribal council but a couple of radicals trying to cause trouble. i sure as heck don't trust the crowd in Alabany and as far as the Indians go,at this point i have no reason not to trust them.
Leonard

Dunkirk, NY

#9 Aug 27, 2010
BINGO wrote:
<quoted text>i do not feel the disruption of the rail traffic was endorsed by the tribal council but a couple of radicals trying to cause trouble. i sure as heck don't trust the crowd in Alabany and as far as the Indians go,at this point i have no reason not to trust them.
The Tribal Council will not EVER publicly endorse violence, but I KNOW FOR A FACT that they have been stockpiling the necessary "tools" for this conflict since the last situation.
Leonard

Dunkirk, NY

#10 Aug 27, 2010
joe white wrote:
<quoted text>while i do not disagree with you in principle leonard,what should we do about the interstates and the US routes,state routes running through the nations? just curious how we could handle that?
This conversation is regarding the Senecas, not every Tribe out there. I say the state would be further ahead to abandon it all. Move that section of the Thruway, I-86, and Routes 5 & 20. I lived the first 40 years of my life living less than a mile from the reservation. I went through school with many of the people you see on tv. I know alot of the reservation residents. I know what they are capable of. This is not only gonna get messy, but it will be the worst we've ever seen.
Mr Drunkirk

Fredonia, NY

#11 Aug 27, 2010
Can we please leave the American Indians alone?

NYS needs to honor all treaties from the past.

How about getting the NYS government to control their spending instead of this?

The native Americans have been mistreated way too much.
crybabyblues

Waterloo, Canada

#12 Aug 27, 2010
Moving to the big city to be wife but still defending the Natives. Looks like you know who you need to support. Have you called mom lately? Kiss to you and the Mrs.
Mr Drunkirk

Fredonia, NY

#13 Aug 27, 2010
Leonard wrote:
<quoted text>The Tribal Council will not EVER publicly endorse violence, but I KNOW FOR A FACT that they have been stockpiling the necessary "tools" for this conflict since the last situation.
Two can play this game of not honoring treaties...like the ones that allow the Thruway,state highways and railroads crossing Indian lands.

Might these "tools" be used to tear up the roads and rails ?

I think our governor is making a huge mistake.

I am sitting back and going to watch the arrows fly.
steve

Buffalo, NY

#14 Aug 27, 2010
First, I think a majority of us can all agree that Patterson is not only an idiot, but is a complete embarrassment to all of us in NYS ( if you could call it that, more like NYC and the rest of NY). Leave the indians the f alone. I think its funny how they actually are making money and creating job opportunities for not only Indians but non-indians as well and here we have this idiot in Albany potentially fing it all up. I say to the Indians, give em' hell. My only wish is that the Pussy Cat Patterson was right there in the front lines with the state police trying to collect those taxes. Good luck with that, becasue Im willing to bet its not going to go over very well. I'm also willing to bet that 90 percent of the state police don't even want to get involved in this, even they know its wrong.
steve

Buffalo, NY

#15 Aug 27, 2010
Mr Drunkirk wrote:
<quoted text>
Two can play this game of not honoring treaties...like the ones that allow the Thruway,state highways and railroads crossing Indian lands.
Might these "tools" be used to tear up the roads and rails ?
I think our governor is making a huge mistake.
I am sitting back and going to watch the arrows fly.
Agreed my friend. What brilliant politician thought it would be a good idea to build their major railways and roadways through soverign land and then try to rape them of there own economy in the first place. I mean, how stupid is that. Did they not think this could be a problem. Of course it would be. If I were the indians, I would shut it all down, gas, electric, water, everything. This is war to them. War is not fair. Why should the indians back down. Did anyone see that poll yesterday. Seventy percent of NY'ers want NY poloticians to honor the treaties. The the pussy head of tax and finance wouldn't comment.What a toolbag. I say we all march on Pattersons doorstep and demand he pay a "stupidity" tax. Everytime he talks while his sorry ass is still in office he gets charged the same price he charges NY'ers a pack of smokes. I mean, hearing him speak and think out loud is hazodous to all of our health too.
right

Dunkirk, NY

#16 Aug 27, 2010
Who is kidding who. If the State wants to put down the hammer on the illegal cigs being sold the indians can forget about it. Someone saying they have the weapons, I think that NY State and the Federal government have a few more weapons. Last time I check HISTORY the Indians paid a high price for pulling out their weapons, in fact they ended up with NOTHING. I tend to agree with the Indians however this should have been settled in court, you can blame the attorneys for this. The FACT is your not going to start a war with NY State or the Federal government and win so think a little bit before you start shooting and stop shooting off your mouths about taking on NY State and the Feds, it will be a blood bath for the indians.
right

Dunkirk, NY

#17 Aug 27, 2010
Talk is cheap. Big deal your going to shut down the thurway, railroad, gas and electric lines. For how long? It will be a short disruption and the Indians will end up paying for the damages. You have a few loud mouths out there who wouldn't fight if they had too. Your telling me hundreds are going to put their life on the line for Cigs???? Give me a break. Its a joke too think the Indians are going to shut anything down for more then a few days or weeks. Big deal its just a small disruption which will turn the public against the indians big time. The most your going to see is a few tires burning and some small time illegal actions which will only hurt someone who has nothing to do with the issue. I hope the Indians understand they will end up paying for damages, court costs and civil costs, attorney fees, fines, etc, etc, etc. GET READY TO GET YOUR WALLETS OUT AND PUT IT WHERE YOUR MOUTHS ARE.
Edith

Youngstown, NY

#18 Aug 27, 2010
Hello... Mr. Patterson. The Observer says "The State Police tells us over and over again that there could be violence and DEATH as a result of some of the measures we're taking." Doesn't that tell you something. Isn't a life more important than the money you claim is owed. What happens is in Your hands and conscience. If you need more money than get people that will work. Start cutting jobs in Albany... Lower their salaries. We are in the position were in because of you and your people. You are oppening up a very bad can of worms here. Violence is NOT the answer. But if push comes to shove it will end up that way. Then who is to suffer and who is to blame. Leave the Indians alone. You need to run Albany the RIGHT way. Start with your own people..... Tired of you whining all the time. Do your job.
gusinski

High Point, NC

#19 Aug 27, 2010
Mr Drunkirk wrote:
Can we please leave the American Indians alone?
NYS needs to honor all treaties from the past.
How about getting the NYS government to control their spending instead of this?
The native Americans have been mistreated way too much.
agreed! We mistreated the American Indian enough to last a life time.
let them be.
Leonard

Dunkirk, NY

#20 Aug 27, 2010
steve wrote:
First, I think a majority of us can all agree that Patterson is not only an idiot, but is a complete embarrassment to all of us in NYS ( if you could call it that, more like NYC and the rest of NY). Leave the indians the f alone. I think its funny how they actually are making money and creating job opportunities for not only Indians but non-indians as well and here we have this idiot in Albany potentially fing it all up. I say to the Indians, give em' hell. My only wish is that the Pussy Cat Patterson was right there in the front lines with the state police trying to collect those taxes. Good luck with that, becasue Im willing to bet its not going to go over very well. I'm also willing to bet that 90 percent of the state police don't even want to get involved in this, even they know its wrong.
I agree completely

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