Seneca Gaming Dispute Goes From Simme...

Seneca Gaming Dispute Goes From Simmer To Boil

There are 67 comments on the WGRZ-TV Buffalo story from Sep 13, 2012, titled Seneca Gaming Dispute Goes From Simmer To Boil. In it, WGRZ-TV Buffalo reports that:

The recent suggestion by Niagara Falls Mayor Paul Dyster that the city -due to a dispute over gaming revenues-- may eventually no longer provide fire protection to the Seneca Niagara Casino, has prompted a fiery response from the President of the Seneca Nation.

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duh

Buffalo, NY

#1 Oct 9, 2012
That's ridiculous!!!!! That would put their own residents and nearby buildings at risk. Besides, they are mad at the wrong people. Maybe they should think about not protecting buildings owned by NYS instead.
Country Boy

Batavia, NY

#2 Oct 9, 2012
Greed and hot heads do not make a good combination. Cooler heads are needed to come to a compremise. NF should not suffer in this dispute.
FFS-

North Tonawanda, NY

#3 Oct 9, 2012
or the senecas could just bulldoze every house in 20 mile radius. that would be money well spent.
Neocornholer

Grand Island, NY

#4 Oct 9, 2012
Or the Senecas could just pay up what they OWE.
LOL

Boston, MA

#5 Oct 9, 2012
Yer a cornholer all right.
Yeah

North Tonawanda, NY

#6 Oct 9, 2012
Neocornholer wrote:
Or the Senecas could just pay up what they OWE.
Or maybe the state could uphold its end of the contract. What - it's Ok for the state to skip out on the deal, but the Senecas have to keep their word? Why the double standard?
wow

Buffalo, NY

#7 Oct 10, 2012
Neocornholer wrote:
Or the Senecas could just pay up what they OWE.
this I just don't understand,some one explain it to me.Why dose the nation owe theses people part of there money,it is there casiano,they were enterprising enough to build it and make money,why do they owe any one part of the profits?These citys all made out on there money they had before they got this free money,now they arn't getting it they are having a fit.we need that money we got to lay off so many people because the indians have't paid us,agine why do the indians have to share there money with any body.
Neocornholer

Grand Island, NY

#8 Oct 10, 2012
Yeah wrote:
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Or maybe the state could uphold its end of the contract. What - it's Ok for the state to skip out on the deal, but the Senecas have to keep their word? Why the double standard?
What end of the contract is that? That there is a no compete clause that the indians say was broken because some local places had quick draw? Gimme a break. When the State decided to allow these ingrates to have a monopoly and go against State law they gave them a license to print money basically. How much money do you think they have lost because of quick draw games at places around the Falls? I'll bet it's very little. It's nothing more than a way for them not to pay the 58 million they owe the Falls, the 25 million they owe Salamanca, and the 10 million they owe Buffalo. Salamanca had to lay off 60% of its employees because they are owed that money. Why should the taxpayer have to fund the services for these casinos when the indians pay no taxes and won't make the agreed payments? Why should the local tavern or corner store who DOES have to pay taxes suffer from losing a few bucks on their quick draw? They withhold 58 million for probably 5800 in lost money, assuming that money would have made its way into their pockets anyway? Fuk them.

As far as cigarette sales... I say have the troopers block all the roads leading in to the rez. INDIANS are supposed to pay no tax under treaties... not the fat greaseball white losers going there for cheap cancer sticks. Then, when they have health problems due to smoking, or lose everything because of gambling... it's the NYS TAXPAYER that has to step in. Fuk those indians. Pay up or shut them down.
Neocornholer

Grand Island, NY

#9 Oct 10, 2012
wow wrote:
<quoted text>this I just don't understand,some one explain it to me.Why dose the nation owe theses people part of there money,it is there casiano,they were enterprising enough to build it and make money,why do they owe any one part of the profits?These citys all made out on there money they had before they got this free money,now they arn't getting it they are having a fit.we need that money we got to lay off so many people because the indians have't paid us,agine why do the indians have to share there money with any body.
Because the land the casino was built on was given to them. The laws were bent so they could build it in the first place. Make no mistake. The State only allowed this because they thought the'd get a slice of the pie. The cities provide all the support services, which aren't cheap. the government and the indians: it's hard to figure out which is more crooked. The average TAXPAYER is getting screwed by both of them.

I don't want to hear how bad they were treated in the past. The same or worse happened to blacks, but because they aren't selling cheap smokes or letting you drink watered down drinks while losing your bill money it's different?

The people who "support" the indians only do so because they either buy their cheap smokes tax free (which isn't even the way the treaties were meant), or have a gambling problem. Nobody seems to care about the TAXPAYING businesses that suffer because of the unlevel playing field.

The most ironic thing about all this is that the indians, who are making money hand over fist, do little to help their entire community. With all that money they could have built seneca schools, hospitals, fire stations, police etc.... yet they still depend on the very entities they are withholding the money from. They don't even help all their nation members, only a select group. There are still indians with no electricty or plumbing on the rez. Nice, huh?
Neocornholer

Grand Island, NY

#10 Oct 10, 2012
Oh, I forgot about the tax free gas that the non-indians seem to think they are entitled to. It's not regulated in any way. That "gallon" of gas is often times much less. Go in there with a gallon gas can and fill it up. It won't be the same reading as on the pump.

Anyway, like I said... the treaties were meant so that INDIANS were "sovereign" and not subject to paying taxes, NOT that every white trash loser could drive their rusted out minivan for tax free gas and cancer sticks, then off to lose the welfare check at the penny slots! THOSE are the people who always whine about the indians "rights". It's completely self serving. They don't care about the indians... they don't want to see their cheap smokes, cheap gas, watered down alchohol, and money pit go bye-bye.
Neocornholer

Grand Island, NY

#11 Oct 10, 2012
LOL wrote:
Yer a cornholer all right.
That's what your mother said.
pfft

Gowanda, NY

#12 Oct 10, 2012
seems to me you are confused as to what is going on.
The state had their Casino's up and running in the Seneca's exclusivity zone, therefore NYS broke the agreement. The Seneca's are no longer entitled to pay the exclusivity payment to NYS because there is no longer exclusivity. The Niag. Falls issue doesn't involve our tax free status or gasoline. It's about the payments Seneca's shouldn't have to pay anymore. Go say F-U to NYS and Cuomo.
Think bout it

Baltimore, MD

#13 Oct 10, 2012
Go online and look up the gaming compact, the issue is NOT with Quikdraw, it has to do with the slot machines in the hamburg casino and batavia downs which are both within the exclusivity zone of a casino, whether it be NF, Buffalo or Salamanca. Exclusivity payments were made until NYS decided to put slot or slot-like machines uh n those places. And the Seneca Gaming Corp was paying NYS who in turn paid out money to the host cities. The money was to go towards infrastructure and servuces, not pay salaries. Salamanca roads should have been repaved instead of paying for extra librarians and raising salaries arty the police station!! SMH, some people need to do their research before spouting off at the mouth!!
Neocornholer

Grand Island, NY

#14 Oct 10, 2012
Think bout it wrote:
Go online and look up the gaming compact, the issue is NOT with Quikdraw, it has to do with the slot machines in the hamburg casino and batavia downs which are both within the exclusivity zone of a casino, whether it be NF, Buffalo or Salamanca. Exclusivity payments were made until NYS decided to put slot or slot-like machines uh n those places. And the Seneca Gaming Corp was paying NYS who in turn paid out money to the host cities. The money was to go towards infrastructure and servuces, not pay salaries. Salamanca roads should have been repaved instead of paying for extra librarians and raising salaries arty the police station!! SMH, some people need to do their research before spouting off at the mouth!!
"The Nation objects to gaming machines and video lottery terminals installed in taverns and restaurants, as well as machines installed at three Western New York racetracks."

http://www.mondaq.com/unitedstates/x/199864/G...

I have heard Odawi Porter whine about quick draw with my own ears.

You are correct about the Racetracks, I will admit that. My problem is that the cities are caught in the battle between the indians and the state, and who suffers? The citizens of those places. I have no problem with what Dyster said. Let them provide their own services that were previously paid for by the taxpayers they are screwing.Too bad if it puts citizens at risk. They are supposedly their own "sovreign" nation, not unlike Canada. If an American goes to Canada, it's the Canadians responsibility to provide emergency services etc. Why is this different?
Neocornholer

Grand Island, NY

#15 Oct 10, 2012
pfft wrote:
seems to me you are confused as to what is going on.
The state had their Casino's up and running in the Seneca's exclusivity zone, therefore NYS broke the agreement. The Seneca's are no longer entitled to pay the exclusivity payment to NYS because there is no longer exclusivity.
Fair enough. However then the Niagara Falls taxpayer should be under no obligation to provide services to the sovereign nation. They should set up toll booths leading to the casino. They should remove any electrical poles etc on public property. if they want to be sovereign and exclusive, let them be. Just don't make the people they are screwing pay for it.
Yeah

North Tonawanda, NY

#16 Oct 10, 2012
Neocornholer wrote:
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You are correct about the Racetracks, I will admit that.
Does this not constitute a breach of the compact? Again, why should the Senecas be required to uphold their end of the bargain, and not NYS?
Neocornholer wrote:
My problem is that the cities are caught in the battle between the indians and the state, and who suffers?
Secondary, though unfortunate, and not the fault of the Senecas. Put it this way: what, exactly, should the Senecas do to enforce NYS's compliance with the compact? If the SNI continues paying the state, then what motivation does the state have to comply with the compact? When the SNI said, "We're not paying you," the state started taking things seriously, didn't it? If you want to blame someone, blame NYS for not doing the right thing and honoring their contract.

Beyond that, when the compact agreement ends, what are these localities going to do when the money faucet is turned off? If they're not planning for this eventuality, should we cry a river for them? They know it's coming.
Yeah

North Tonawanda, NY

#17 Oct 10, 2012
Neocornholer wrote:
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Fair enough. However then the Niagara Falls taxpayer should be under no obligation to provide services to the sovereign nation. They should set up toll booths leading to the casino. They should remove any electrical poles etc on public property. if they want to be sovereign and exclusive, let them be. Just don't make the people they are screwing pay for it.
The casino is about the only thing NF has going for it. In case you haven't been there, lately, it's not too pretty. In fact, the contrast between the bustling Canadian side and the dismal American side is pretty stark. Why is it that 400 meters makes a world of difference? Could it be that the people running the American side of things haven't a clue how to capitalize on their situation?

You sound like you want to blame the Senecas for any and every problem, like everything is the Senecas' fault. What's going to happen in these towns, in a few years, when the compact money is gone?
FFS-

North Tonawanda, NY

#18 Oct 10, 2012
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>
The casino is about the only thing NF has going for it. In case you haven't been there, lately, it's not too pretty. In fact, the contrast between the bustling Canadian side and the dismal American side is pretty stark. Why is it that 400 meters makes a world of difference? Could it be that the people running the American side of things haven't a clue how to capitalize on their situation?
You sound like you want to blame the Senecas for any and every problem, like everything is the Senecas' fault. What's going to happen in these towns, in a few years, when the compact money is gone?
Freakin' Giambra
Seneca NativeNOw

AOL

#19 Oct 10, 2012
Well all of you know Now why there was a fight NOT to have casino,s' Because we knew argueing and lying over millions of dollars would occur and also knew that favorites of ideas would be played out. There was never any clear interpretations of what the compact with NYS was all about, But all some of us can still clearly see that damn, it dosen't take much to see how much we knew about crooked people with crooked deals, And now with all thier whining. We knew that NYS would stand up to thier agreements and we also knew that the SNI would still treat thier poeple like garbage. bus iness people will be a future standard to remember when we teach our youth not become like either one. plus how it made psychic,s out of us, those who opposed.
TONI

Niagara Falls, NY

#20 Oct 10, 2012
DYSTER is right. THE city has fire & police duty to the SNI .
That is paid for by the taxpayers of the city.
The S N I pays nothing for it.
If DYSTER had gonads & act like VINCE ANNELO telling the indians pay up or we close the enterances with curbing.
There is ONE great way to collect.
The WATER VALVE needs to be replaced But a new one cannot be found for the replacement. NO WATER , NO CASINO.

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