Within 2 Votes: NY Marriage Equality ...

Within 2 Votes: NY Marriage Equality Inches Closer

There are 14 comments on the EDGE story from Jun 14, 2011, titled Within 2 Votes: NY Marriage Equality Inches Closer. In it, EDGE reports that:

The cause for family parity has gained momentum with the announcement of Republican NY State Sen.

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Frank Stanton

New York, NY

#1 Jun 14, 2011
From what I have read in the New York Post, and other media here in New York, Governor Cuomo has rounded up more than enough votes for this to pass, including substantial Republican support.

The vote should be held no later than Friday as the session ends on Monday.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#2 Jun 14, 2011
But will Skelos allow a vote????
Frank Stanton

New York, NY

#3 Jun 14, 2011
nhjeff wrote:
But will Skelos allow a vote????
I have read that he will allow a vote IF he is certain that the bill will pass. We will know sometime on Friday.

What time is the latest Prop 8 decision due today ?
hi hi

Philadelphia, PA

#4 Jun 14, 2011
Frank Stanton wrote:
From what I have read in the New York Post, and other media here in New York, Governor Cuomo has rounded up more than enough votes for this to pass, including substantial Republican support.
The vote should be held no later than Friday as the session ends on Monday.
Then the national media are not picking up on this. They are stubbornly reiterating for over a day now that there are 30 votes, and only Alesi has been reported as independently predicting that marriage equality will pass by 35 to 27.

No other source I can find through google news is saying anything except for INACCURATE repetition (and I do mean dogged, almost obsessive repetition) that there "has been no crack in the republican voting bloc" -- itself patently untrue, as Alesi has changed his vote to yes.
hi hi

Philadelphia, PA

#5 Jun 14, 2011
I saw one theorization that several republicans will be urged to vote for it BECAUSE NO SINGLE REPUBLICAN wants to be seen as the "crucial 32nd vote," which each of them believes would lead to their so-called "crucifixion" by conservatives.
Frank Stanton

New York, NY

#6 Jun 14, 2011
"Seven or more Senate Republicans have signaled Gov. Cuomo that they're ready to legalize same-sex marriage, more than enough to put the controversial and historic measure over the top this week, The Post has learned.

"A highly knowledgeable Senate insider said yesterday that "far more of the [GOP] members are in play than anyone realizes, including some surprising names from conservative upstate areas."

"Among the unexpected potential Senate Republican "yes" votes, insiders say, are Kemp Hannon of Nassau County, Charles Fuscillo of Suffolk County, Betty Little of Glens Falls, Andrew Lanza of Staten Island, Greg Ball of Putnam County, James Alesi of Rochester, and Roy McDonald of Rensselaer County -- all of whom helped defeat gay marriage when the vote was held in December 2009."

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/gop_swings...
hi hi

Philadelphia, PA

#7 Jun 14, 2011
You and I read things differently, that's all it is.

Know those four people who have switched?

They have pub-lic-ly stated they'll vote yes.(One article I read, granted, points out that they can change their minds during the floor vote itself.) This article has no one PUBLICLY saying, "Know what? I am now on the pro side, and I will vote for this." I am counting everyone who has publicly stated they will vote for it. From all accounts I've read, that's 30 people.

I see your point, but I process the information in this article VERY differently than you do.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#8 Jun 14, 2011
Frank Stanton wrote:
<quoted text>
I have read that he will allow a vote IF he is certain that the bill will pass. We will know sometime on Friday.
What time is the latest Prop 8 decision due today ?
The Walker recusal decision was out early (at least for CA). The complaint was dismissed.

One thing I don't understand, though, is if Skelos is against marriage equality, why would he facilitate a vote? I thought I read he'd allow a vote if a majority of his caucus wanted a vote. If I were a Republican against equality, I wouldn't want a vote. Even if I were a Republican supporting equality, I might not want a vote. So who's going to push Skelos into allowing a vote?
hi hi

Philadelphia, PA

#9 Jun 14, 2011
Sir, I came back to this very thread JUST to deliver some news TO YOU, from an article now appearing on google news:

ALBANY New York is within a single vote of legalizing gay marriage after a second Republican state senator said on Tuesday that he would support the measure should it come to the floor this week.

The senator, Roy J. McDonald, from the capital region, made his comments to reporters amid growing indications that Republican leaders would bring the bill to an up or down vote on Thursday or Friday.
hi hi

Philadelphia, PA

#10 Jun 14, 2011
nhjeff wrote:
<quoted text>
The Walker recusal decision was out early (at least for CA). The complaint was dismissed.
One thing I don't understand, though, is if Skelos is against marriage equality, why would he facilitate a vote? I thought I read he'd allow a vote if a majority of his caucus wanted a vote. If I were a Republican against equality, I wouldn't want a vote. Even if I were a Republican supporting equality, I might not want a vote. So who's going to push Skelos into allowing a vote?
(I don't know the answer, but) I presumed that Skelos would either face horrific political reprisals if he doesn't allow a vote, or that the lawmakers in Albany had some other way of forcing the vote by some procedure, law or rule. These were my assumptions -- since I, like you, found it unusual that Skelos would allow this to happen.

I know if they have the votes and Skelos doesn't allow it, you will *literally hear the screeching from Oregon* and further. These people would go apeshit. But if I were Skelos, I wouldn't give a crap about that; so I wonder, as well.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#11 Jun 14, 2011
hi hi wrote:
<quoted text>
Then the national media are not picking up on this. They are stubbornly reiterating for over a day now that there are 30 votes, and only Alesi has been reported as independently predicting that marriage equality will pass by 35 to 27.
No other source I can find through google news is saying anything except for INACCURATE repetition (and I do mean dogged, almost obsessive repetition) that there "has been no crack in the republican voting bloc" -- itself patently untrue, as Alesi has changed his vote to yes.
Then you're googling the wrong sites.

A 2nd Republican Senator has publicly stated his support for the marriage bill, with 3 others still "undecided". That makes 31 confirmed yes votes with just one more needed.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#12 Jun 14, 2011
From what I've read a vote will likely happen on Thursday, which gives the Assembly time to pass it on Friday.
hi hi

Philadelphia, PA

#13 Jun 14, 2011
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Then you're googling the wrong sites.
A 2nd Republican Senator has publicly stated his support for the marriage bill, with 3 others still "undecided". That makes 31 confirmed yes votes with just one more needed.
See my "independent" post above, unattached in reply to any other post. I stated (a few up) what you have stated here.
hi hi

Philadelphia, PA

#14 Jun 14, 2011
Nothing a living soul says will convince me of this. My conviction will come with headlines that say:

Gay Marriage Passes in NY (or something similar)

and not before.

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